'Secret film shows Iraq prisoners sodomised'

[Melsky]

He said: "The boys were sodomised with the cameras rolling, and the worst part is the soundtrack, of the boys shrieking. And this is your government at war."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=541472

I have not put much up because the article is only 4 paragraphs long. The person quoted in the above snippet is Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker magazine.

[the Kelly Gang]

1. how much more will these people be degraded ?

were are the officers in charge of these morons...my God they will hate us forver !

[HEyHEY]

2. By who? I can't see gung ho military types doing that

For fear of being labelled gay

[wickerwoman]

3. I read somewhere else that it was an army translator.

Not that that makes any difference. The gung ho over-pumped assholes are exactly the ones who would do something like this. It's not gay if you're putting them in their place after all.

[MnFats]

4. it happens in prison; by guys who would kick your ass if you...

...suggested they were gay.
remember,too, earlier we learned they forced the prisoners to masturbate and fondle each other for the cameras....
nothing surprises me any more.
somebody's gonna pay. if not the guys that made this happen, then any convenient American.

[Pachamama]

7. Unfortunately, the people who will pay for these actions will be you, me

and all the other innocent Americans who may either travel abroad or be caught at the wrong place at the wrong time for the hatred that these actions by our military and the Bu$h administration against Muslim men, boys, girls....

We are so screwed....Yeah, right Bu$h...we are SAFER as a result of your War????

:grr:

[AlienGirl]

6. Among over-macho types...

Over-macho types often think it's only "gay" if you're the one being penetrated. If you're the penetrator, particularly if it's an act of aggression rather than sex, they don't think it's "gay."

Tucker

[Atlas Mugged]

18. Absolutely correct, AlienGirl

In Latin cultures "machismo" allows homosexual contact, but only permits dignity for the top. Bottoms are reviled.

Speaking of which, it's always bothered me that "cocksucker" is concerned the ultimate putdown, when most men, gay or straight, would like nothing better than to be on the receiving end.

[bobbieinok]

56. I think it's supposed to be something 'inferiors' do and 'superiors'

receive

which sure says a horrendous lot about the underlying view of women

[bushisanidiot]

33. Well, Don't Ask Don't Tell Should Have These "patriots" out

the window pretty easily.. then they should be turned over to the international criminal court.

[chicaloca]

50. Yeah, they _should_ be taken to the international court.....

Unfortunately, if they were, the U.S. would invade the Hague. :grr:

[jono]

10. Not necessarily "who"

I haven't paid strict attention to the recent Hersh murmurs, but I remember the early reports mentioned flourescent tubes and broomsticks.

Although if he's seen the video recently, and he knows more.... :(

(edit: NOT to imply that "what" is any less despicable than "who")

[UpInArms]

27. rape is not about "sex" - it's about "power" ........ eom

[progressivebydesign]

42. How do I answer that?

The people who did the sodomizing, from what I have read, are special interregators, who actually specialize in that type of thing. It's not a gay thing, it's a violence thing... and I'm sure there are members of our elite military who are doing it, as well as private contractors.

Naturally, this story is ONLY coming out in the non-US media. They should go to prison for war crimes for this.. but they'll escape all punishment, because Iraq had no constitution at the time, and Bush has ensured safeguards in the new Iraqi laws, shielding the people who did these vile things.

[Literate Tar Heel]

48. what did you do in the service?

"I was a sodomy specialist."

this is starting to get ridiculous, and you know this kind of thing has to be condoned by people going all the way up to Rumsfeld and Bush ... if Bush gets 25% of the vote in November, it's exactly 25% too much

[progressivebydesign]

52. That's so frightening, darkly funny.. but sad, isn't it? N/T

[0007]

89. These acts are beyond the pale and will only create a burning hatred

...and we wonder why people around the world hate us!

[July]

44. Can you see gung ho military types taking the pictures? nt

[bluestateguy]

5. Just watch

The religious fundamentalistwackos will find a way to blame this on gay people, even though they are banned from the military. Just watch.

[Pachamama]

9. That will piss me off so much that I will blow a gasket and be one of the

...first to go off on the Fundies about a bs accusation like that...

I'll just switch it around and show that it was committed by a bunch of fundie christians with pent-up sexual confusion....

[madrchsod]

8. see you made it to canada

glad to see ya back at du..does it feel freer up there?
when will these movies be released-maybe never?

[Melsky]

11. Thanks rschod

Actually, I spent 3 weeks in Canada and now I am back here packing! I should be packing right now. I hope to be in Canada to stay in a couple weeks.

I like it a lot up there. One thing in particular that struck me after a week is that I didn't see any bumperstickers or tshirts that offended me. Nothing anti-gay, nothing infering that God is on the side of the US. Being in a town with a big Marine base, I get a huge overdose of that stuff here.

[bluestateguy]

12. I do hope you'll still be able to vote this November (absentee)

We could still use you for one more election.

[Melsky]

13. Yes, I'm voting as a Californian

For probably at least two more presidential elections. My husband is also voting in the US.

[PROUDNWLIBERAL]

54. Moved to New Zealand

My wife and I moved to New Zealand---just got tired of the right wing crap and mentality. We are definitely voting in November. Although Kerry was not our first choice we will vote for him as it is the only way to get rid of Bush and Company. I hope you enjoy your time in Canada, we have always enjoyed Canada. What part of Canada? New Zealand is so great. We live on the North Island in Hamilton. I personally do not miss the United States, but unfortunately will will return next year due to family. I could stay here and become a Kiwi real easy---nothing but family left for us in the States. don't care for the mentality of the people on a whole of the people in the States. Even with all the problems caused by the Bush Regime there are idiots that will vote for them---they deserve what they get---but leave the rest of the planet alone!!!

[deacon]

14. there is this really ugly story out there too...

More Than 100 Children Imprisoned

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6430.htm

[roguevalley]

15. This is the worst rot. Just when you thought you assimilated the worst,

this happens. As for the fundies that I know? They hate this more than death and blame bush. Interesting, isn't it?

[mhr]

16. Link To ACLU Speech By Hersh - Real Media

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6492.htm

http://stream.realimpact.net/?file=clients/aclu/conf2004/20040707_aclu_AmericaAtACrossroads_300.rm&start=1:07:51

[Disturbed]

17. Thanks to the Media

Most Americans still believe The Prison Torture that is systematic is only "abuse" by a "few bad apples" that have been put on trial and now this situation is over and done with.

What it really is: War Crimes by the Bush Adm. and many agencies and secret prisons where murders, rapes and various forms of torture have taken place and probably still are taking place.

[Name removed]

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[mhr]

23. Watch The Video - Hersh Specifically Mentions War Crimes By Bush

It is just a matter a time, Hersh believes.

[OKNancy]

24. Hugh

As you read DU, you will find all sorts of people posting. There are some conspracy nuts, mainstream liberals, moderates, and thoughtful grounded posters who you will come to admire. I also think that 99% of the posters do love America and also respect the military. At DU being critical does not make a person a hateful radical.

On this topic in particular, Hersh is way ahead on this story. He is highly respected as an investigative journalist. The story of prison abuse is going to get even worse.

[thebigidea]

25. and if you respect your country...

... you'd support removing the criminals who have brought dishonor to it.

Or is the America you love an America that tortures and rapes the innocent?

[Name removed]

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[DBoon]

36. I'll assume you are here for legit purposes

Yeah, the rhetoric can get a bit stiff here.

I think DU represents the most opinionated wing of the Democratic Party, and in the bigger picture the Party has a broader reach.

Also, as a semi-private forum, it gives us a chance to blow off steam.

After spending all day listening to right wingers talk about how they would like to drop a few atom bombs on Iraq, most of what I see at DU doesn't seem so over the top.

[Mari333]

20. Not all the soldiers are macho assholes

some of them want to come home, and will be the targets of the anger.
Therefore I post this

http://www.forusa.org/programs/iraq/iraq-photoproject-statement.html


by the way...lets go after the bigshot fatcats who started this illegal war and the mercenaries they hired and RUMMY THE WAR CRIMINAL.

[Disturbed]

22. Most soldiers are not war criminals.

The Bush Admin. certainly is a guilty of War Crimes. The invasion of Iraq was an illegal act and so is the Occupation. All those that approved and carried out "abuse" and torture are guilty of War Crimes and should be tried.

[Judi Lynn]

21. It will be an enormous sin if Bush is allowed to get this problem

buried without a thorough investigation. His grubby collection of sociopaths don't seem to understand they are NOT truly meant to be rulers of the universe, masters of all they survey.

They should be reminded there are laws which actually pertain to EVERYONE. Stealing the White House doesn't entitle you to conceal torture in its amazing variety your people have devised, to destroy spirits, minds, and lives.

What would Jesus say?

[jeff5]

53. Who Would Jesus Anally Rape?? N/T

.

[dusty64]

26. And to think that

"Torturegate" has been completely swept under the rug and ignored by the corporate media and the criminals allowed to skate away AGAIN. Shameful and unbelievable, the press must also be held accountable for their crimes.

[KansDem]

30. I agree...

If there is anything worse than BushCo, it's the enablers of BushCo!

The Media Whores are just as responsible for this mess as the fascist thugs in the government.

[nodictators]

34. Many in the corporate "news" media are accomplices to these crimes

The network news anchors muted the torture story down to "abuse", "simulated sex acts", and "menaced" by dogs.

Of course, the true terms are "torture", "forced to perform sex acts", and "attacked and severely bitten" by dogs.

That muting allowed Repub slime like Rush to claim it was all just "Fraternity Pranks."

On NBC Nightly News, Tom Brokaw lectured the viewers, telling them that we mustn't see any more of the "abuse" pictures.

In other words, fake journalist Tom believes that the People must not know what crimes are being committed by the Bush regime.

[soothsayer]

29. I still hear folks say "Oh, that wasn't really TORTURE"

Jeez. They haven't even seen the pics of the dogs and the wounds and the blood. I guess the coverup is working, as many people still think it was all just naked butt pyramids.

[Zech Marquis]

31. Unfiltered is highlighting tis issue noq

If these videos are ever released in the US media... * is gone! Already the German and other European news media know aboutt thse videos, and I doubt they'll be "considerate" (read: hide) them either...

[bobthedrummer]

32. Is this the influence of Col. Michael Aquino in US military intelligence?

He's managed to have escaped justice here on Earth so far.
When not attending to "matters of national security" on duty in the US Army and Defense Intelligence Agency Aquino was a Church of Satan priest.

When there was conflict within the Church of Satan Michael Aquino absorbed it within his own cult/religion the Temple of Set in 1975 while listed active duty.

In Germany he performed a ceremony invoking the spirit of Nazi SS chief Heinrich Himmler.

He and his wife, Lillith, were investigated in The Presidio molestation case-but never arrested.

Aquino is often cited in the Franklin Credit callboy scandal.

I believe he was part of the illegal domestic MH CHAOS programs in 1969 (including replication of Charles Manson "families" simultaneously) including wetwork.

There it is. The darkside human monster crew of the "shadow government". Mercenaries too. They sodomize and torture children and even worse right here and walk free because of "national security" shield:grr:

[livinginphotographs]

35. Silly melsky...

It's not rape, it's "having sex with Iraqi boys." Didn't you ever do that in a fraternity?

[Sivafae]

37. I highly doubt that

The rest of the world is going to sweep this under the rug. Which will mean that if there are movements to have this admin charged with war crimes, no one in the US will understand why. The other allegations didn't really bother me, mainly because I believe that my focus was on something else. But now I am pissed as hell.
If you sweep enough stuff under the rug, you will no longer be able to walk on it.

[wryter2000]

38. OMG

When is this going to be reported in this country? I hope Hersch stays off small planes. :tinfoilhat:

[jackstraw45]

39. Haven't you HEARD?!?!? Whoopi Goldberg insulted the "President"

Now THAT'S newsworthy.

US TORTURE of children?

Makes the Corporate Media whores sleepy.

[ElementaryPenguin]

40. I wanna hear the Nazi Networks explain why they haven't covered this!

We not only have to oust BushCo - but our national media has to be sacked or totally revamped! You can't run a democracy without information - and it seems like only "freaks" like us - that do their own research, are able to uncover this stuff. I have walked around with printouts for a month - showing people notes from another Hersh speech at Univ. of Chicago where he said essentially the same thing. Watch the video, if you haven't seen it - or don't believe it. This is so fucking outrageous - and would/should bring down Bushler's campaign for reselection in a heartbeat - and these corrupt f*ckers will simply not cover it!!!!

:puke:
:argh:
:mad:

[deacon]

55. these stories were circulating in the beginning of July-- not one

American media outlet picked it up.

[happynewyear]

41. what a bunch of sick perverts

I hope they all rot in hell. That is all I can say about this!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

:dem:
:kick:

[donsu]

43. children are not safe around americans

not safe around american priests, pastors, etc.

not safe around american pedophiles.

not safe around our military.

what's the count on american sexual abuse of children by family members, neighbors?

the number of missing american children each year is huge.

america does not like children.

[The_Casual_Observer]

45. A few more rotten apples?

My, my things are a little "untidy" over there huh rumsfeld?

None of this or any other US sponsored horror would have happened if the US had stayed the fuck away from Iraq.

[The Animator]

46. I'm so glad we got rid of Sadam's rape rooms...

... ours are so much better.

Maybe they could even set up a webcam. I hear sites like that can make a fortune.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

47. Call it what it is, please...

Rape.

Why don't I feel safer knowing that rapists are defending our country?

[meisje]

49. Could this be an October surprise???

[St. Jarvitude]

51. Just simple frat hazing...

Move along. Nothing to see here. Next on CNN: American soldiers plant flowers; give to Iraqi grandmothers.

Fuck the neo-cons and their 24/7 spin machines on the boob tube. Fuck all of them for repeating this "frat hazing" trash all over the airwaves and not allowing one iota of dissent.

If I were one of these rape victims, and I knew what was going on in the American 'free press,' I know what I would do to these media shitheads. Maybe it wouldn't be legal - but it sure as hell would be right.

[buycitgo]

57. did you hear what the war criminal in chief said in FLa ?

speaking to Cubans americans, I think, he talked about the Cuban child sex trade!!!!!


time to connect a few dots between Havana and Baghdad?

[Roy Robertson]

58. New York Times had this months ago. Then, silence...

A few months back, when the Abu Ghraib torture stories first broke and Congress held some hearings, the New York Times (buried on page 17 or so, in the middle of a very long article reporting on the hearings) quoted a couple of people on one of the intelligence committees who said that some of the atrocities were much, much worse than what had been reported so far.

"We're talking about murder and rape here, folks!" was one quote I remember, from South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham. He said that Iraqi guards would sodomize the children while the Americans were interogating their mothers in the same room.

I remember a few years back, when Graham was a Rep managing the House impeachment case in the Senate, he had an awful lot to say about the morality of Bill Clinton lying about a blowjob. He found it totally depraved, and ranted and raved at great length, almost bursting into tears of outrage at one point. He hasn't had much to say about this, though...

Nor has anyone else. Again, this was printed in the New York Times. Somewhat buried, but still... And there was NO response! Why?

[AmyDeLune]

59. Kick! n/t

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

60. I have seen this repeatedly reported on DU, always in foreign media. Has

there been a SINGLE U.S. media story on this?

[Roy Robertson]

61. Boston Herald, Sat May 8

I tried to find a link to the article I read in the NY Times, but it is archived now (May 8 or 10) and you have to pay them to read it. So I googled on graham, pictures, rape, and murder, and found a bunch of articles.

Here are some excerpts from one: The Boston Herald, May 8
-----------------------------
Saturday, May 8, 2004WASHINGTON - The Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal took an explosive turn yesterday with the revelation that photos and graphic videotapes not yet made public show abuses more horrific than those already seen.

Signaling the worst revelations are yet to come, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said the additional photos show ``acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman.''

``There are a lot more photographs and videos that exist,'' Rumsfeld testified before Congress.

``If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse. That's just a fact.''

The unreleased images show American soldiers beating one prisoner almost to death, apparently raping a female prisoner, acting inappropriately with a dead body, and taping Iraqi guards raping young boys, according to NBC News.

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said the scandal is ``going to get worse'' and warned that the most ``disturbing'' revelations haven't yet been made public.

``The American public needs to understand, we're talking about rape and murder here,'' he said. ``We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience; we're talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges.''

------------------
Here's a link to the complete Boston Herald article:
http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=22093&format=text

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

62. Thanks!

[Invalence1]

63. According to Webster's Unabridged

"fundament" is derived from the Latin "fundus", menaing "the bottom". Contemporary definitions include 2. The buttocks 3. The anus. Gives a whole new "spin" to the term "fundamentalist", hmmmm?

[donsu]

75. thanks - interesting

nt

[Invalence1]

64. double post

sorry

[Big_AJ]

65. Where's the evidence....

claims by Seymour Hersch won't cut it.

[Invalence1]

66. Dunno

that I'd want to download any such document. Might put one in violation of the child pornography laws just to have it on your hard drive.

[The Night Owl]

67. Where is the evidence? Good question.

Why not ask your boyfriend, Donald Rumsfeld, where the evidence is?

[daleo]

68. The pictures will come out eventually

I have a firm belief that this can't be kept under wraps much longer. Seymour Hersch will be shown to be correct once again, as he was when the original photos of prisoner torture and murder came out.

[thebigidea]

74. at least spell his name right

its the least you can do when mocking one of the best journalists we've got.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

81. Who do you think has the evidence? How do you think Hersh saw...

...the videos? Considering who Hersh uses as sources, the answer to your question should be pretty obvious.

By the way, if Hersh says the film exists, that should be the LAST thing you should be questioning about this story.

[doni_georgia]

88. Kowtowing journalists, and the real issue with Pharisee fundamentalists

As soon as a journalist publishes a story that makes Bush and Co. look like the pack of lying criminal thugs that they are, that journalist becomes the target of a marginalization campaign.

The guys who write the stories - not the publishers, but the actual writers - hold a key to this administration's reelection. If the ones who know the truth would grow some stones, stand together and flat out refuse to continue to kowtow, you might see some progress in getting the truth out. I doubt even conservative Americans would be able to sit still if 60% of the journalists in the country walked off their jobs to make a moral point. At the least, the quality of reporting in this country would sink a quantum level lower.

As for the fundamentalist issue - I'm pretty well versed in Biblical teachings and believe very strongly in Christ. However, I also notice that (1) Christ saved his strongest vitriol for the Pharisees, who projected a sham image of a piety that was inconsistent with their true selves, and served as a tool for their oppression of those for whom they were charged by God to serve as stewards, and (2) Christ, and the disciples as well, lived far more for the sake of benefiting ALL people they met rather than cramming their message down peoples' throats. I for myself don't care if you are an atheist, Buddhist, Christian, Zoroastrian, Muslim, Jew, Wiccan, agnostic, or High Priest of the Sixth Congregational Church of Rodney: if you need help, I will do my best to help you. If you need food I will find food for you. If you need clothing I will give you clothes of my own if I cannot find others. If you need a friend and want me to be that friend, I will do my level best in that capacity. If your sexual orientation differs from mine - so what? I'm married, so I'm not having sex with anyone but my beloved anyway. How then would that affect me? God doesn't tell me to differentiate; he tells me to LOVE MY NEIGHBOR AS MYSELF.

I confess this is a sticky problem when it comes to dealing with people like George W. Bush, and I have to separate Bush the human being in desperate need of someone to teach him what love is supposed to be, and Bush the President who has deliberately failed in his sworn duty to uphold the Constitution of the United Sates. I don't think he has lived up to his Christian ideals, but that's not my reason for anger with him. I am angry because he broke an oath that he swore when he took to job, and I believe he should not be reelected. Clinton did not fail in this in nearly as significant a fashion. I don't care if Bush and his boys do get rich, if they are good stewards of the American people. But if they are oathbreakers, they have to go. Period.

The fundamentalists who still support Bush should remember that the Law is still effective. Jesus himself said this. And after thinking about this for a while, they should remember Paul's admonition to beware those who would come in Christ's name bearing false messages, and then do a three-month study of the Book of James. In my opinion, any Christian, fundamentalist or otherwise, who supports Bush is accountable to God for that support. Ignorance will not be an excuse for them. And may God have mercy on Bush as the deceiver who led literally millions of Christians in this country astray.

Sorry, I know many of you are not Christian. Please understand that I am not here to convert anyone. I am doing my best to get to the truth of the issue so that I can make a fair judgment. I don't expect God to give me some supernatural message about what's really going on. ( ** The last time He gave me a message, it was in November 2003, and the message was one sentence: "Set The Captives Free." And there is a whole congregation of people who heard that message delivered in church, long before the torture/rape scandals broke. I hope some of them remembered it, even if it didn't make a lot of sense at the time. I'm not kidding; there were at least 150 witnesses to this, and I believe that church records its services on audio. If I can, I will get hold of it, and I've reminded a few people of that message. **)

In the final analysis, the non-fundamentalists in this country, by-and-large, are FAR ahead of the fundamentalists in re the sitting administration.

And last, for those of you who are concerned: I oppose the Protection of Marriage amendment. Completely. I believe that the legal system in this country contains inequities that - not by design but by the evolution of our society - places committed couples, hetero or same-sex, at a serious legal and fiduciary advantage. Correcting those inequities is not special-interest legislation; it is a leveling of the playing field for everyone, which to me is a fair approximation of justice. From a moral standpoint, I think general injustice is best addressed in general terms. Individual injustices or sins are a matter for the individual to resolve with God; my part is to help, advise, instruct, protect and love - the job of a good shepherd and good steward.

That's what I think Jesus would do. Thanks, and sorry if I offended anyone on this board because that's not my purpose here. Jesus' message was most offensive to people in power in his time and to those who supported them. Seems to me He saved His greatest kindnesses for the people the Pharisees reviled and spit on. I'm proud to stand as a rock of offense against the Pharisees of this day and age, and to stand with people Jesus himself stood with even though, according to the Law, they were sinners and He was pure.

Mac in Ga

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

69. We have to give Hersh a chance - he's putting his rep on the line

Seymour Myron Hersh after all is no tabloid journalistic hack. His work on the Vietnam War and the My Lai massacre won for him the Pullitzer Prize for international reporting. Hersh is the pro of pros, a former UPI reporter, then an Associated Press Washington correspondent, and later a New York Times Washington Bureau reporter. He now writes for the New Yorker. His book The Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House won him the National Book Critics Circle Award and the Los Angeles Times book prize in biography. Hersh has also written seven other books.

I imagine that Hersh also takes exception to having been labeled a "terrorist" by the Bush administration, through their operative Richard Perle.

Hersh has put his journalistic reputation at stake. I have a strong belief that something will break. When it does, it's going to make a lot of noise, especially since the administration and the conservatives are behaving as though the abuse controversy is now old news.

[AmyDeLune]

70. Kick 2! n/t

[bobthedrummer]

71. Kick.

:dem::kick:

[demgrrrll]

72. The thing that is nagging at me is I don't know who has seen this film

If Daschle and the rest of the Democrats who had access to
the information have seen this film and have not come forward I will
be mightily disappointed. I wonder if the Pentagon made a point of making sure that the Democrats had access to this information and then swore them to secrecy so they could muddy the waters if this video ever actually does see the light of day. Very worrisome indeed.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

83. Remember when all of the Congresspeople came out of a closed-....

....door session where they had been shown additional videos and pics? Remember how shaken they all looked? Remember comments such as "worse thing I've ever seen"?

And yes, they were ALL sworn to secrecy.

[demgrrrll]

91. That's what I thought I remembered, but I was not sure.

Every time I think they could not sink any lower they
sound the bottom one more time. In your opinion what were
the Democrat's options at that moment? Or now. What kind of penalties
are at stake?

[playahata1]

100. If they indeed KNOW, why are they so SCARED to bring it all out?

Are they afraid that this will bring down THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT AS WE KNOW IT? THE ENTIRE HOUSE OF CARDS? THEIR ENTIRE RAISON D'ETRE? (The hand that feeds them, that is.)

My guess is that this country is afraid of starting all over again from Square One. Ground Zero. NOTHING!

[LiberalUprising]

73. Kick

Where the hell are the US media, our Dem leaders!!!???

[jn2375]

76. Aljazeer has picked up story

Aljazeera picked this up. Will the US media follow? Can someboby linked to this from Aljazeera I'm not sure how too.

[huckleberry]

77. Hersh: US soldiers sodomised Iraqi boys (al jazeera link)

Saturday 17 July 2004, 23:12 Makka Time, 20:12 GMT

A US journalist who first revealed the scandal at the notorious Abu Ghraib detention centre says there are videotapes of American occupation soldiers sodomising young Iraqi boys at the prison.

Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said the Bush administration is holding the tapes of these acts.

"The boys were sodomised with the cameras rolling, and the worst part is the soundtrack, of the boys shrieking. And this is your government at war," he told the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) earlier this month.

more at
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E3C89C20-6A0A-48F9-9476-A72F4E00A426.htm

[Media_Lies_Daily]

84. Well, that should blow the lid off the Middle Eastern cauldron.

[saigon68]

96. MILITARY THUG CRIMINALS

If Saddam had done this to USA POWs the DEATH PENALTY would be in play

But Pray tell, How could Saddam top this ???

When the POW had a PLASTIC FLASHLIGHT RAMMED UP HIS RECTUM ???

When a GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG BIT HIM IN THE TESTICLES ???

When the POW had a 220 Volt wire attached with a clip to the TIP OF HIS PENIS ???

When Lynndie England was encouraged to help the POWs obtain erections so they could perform
ORAL SEX ACTS ON EACH OTHER and the PERKY PRINCESS OF ABU GHRAIB
PRISON COULD SHOUT "HE'S GETTING HARD"???

When a POW was beaten to death, HIS BODY PACKED IN ICE and TAKEN OUT IN THE
DESERT AND DUMPED Or the Photos of Graner and Lynndie’s sidekick the Lovely Sabrina
Harman smiling over the dead corpse.

When Lynndie apparently on Orders collected a number of Dirty Used KOTEX MAXI-PADS to
be worn and tied to the Heads of POWs, Or when Graner made POW’s eat food thrown in
Toilets and then commented that the Prison Guard part of him said he loved to see them “PISS
THEMSELVES”

When Four U.S. soldiers from the 3rd Brigade Combat Team will be reprimanded for forcing
two Iraqi detainees to jump off a bridge into the Tigris River killing one of them.

How about interrogators torturing children and the presenting them to the parents to get them to
reveal WHATEVER?

When soldiers themselves admit dogs were used and when Spec. Sabrina D. Harman, recalled for
Army investigators an episode "when two dogs were brought into 1A to scare an
inmate. He was naked against the wall, when they let the dogs corner him. They pulled them back
enough, and the prisoner ran . . . straight across the floor. . . . The prisoner was cornered and the
dog bit his leg. A couple seconds later, he started to move again, and the dog bit his other leg."





When photos show a Naked man covered in Feces beaten in the head by a THUG holding a police
Baton?



When a Civilian Interrogator ANALLY RAPED A 15 YEAR OLD BOY IN FRONT OF GI
WITNESSES ( who apparently used a camcorder to memorialize the child’s screams as his
ANUS was savagely attacked) and the RAPIST is going to get a free pass because he was under
NO ONES JURISDICTION ???

[ClassWarrior]

78. kicking for the kids

:kick:

[Catfight]

79. Insannity demands everyone should have to listen to the shrieks of

the boys being sodomized and compare and contrast with the Berg screams of the beheading. He thinks every American should have to watch both videos to show how bad these people are, how DARE they seduce our soldiers into raping them? I'm sure the slant with always be in favor of the 'liberatin' Amerikans under Buzh.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

85. I'm betting that Hannity gets off on that kind of stuff.

[kentuck]

80. And it was reported in al Jazeera also..

..which definitely does not help the American image in the Middle East.

===================================

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E3C89C20-6A0A-48F9-9476-A72F4E00A426.htm

[NashVegas]

82. Moonie Times Link

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040717-094145-3801r.htm

[Media_Lies_Daily]

86. Well, folks, if the Moonie Times is running with this story you have to...

...think that the tide has irrevocably turned against the NeoCons.

This is exactly the kind of story that the Times would have avoided as late as six months ago.

[MetaTrope]

87. But since they're citing Aljazeera as the source

one suspects they don't want readers to take it too seriously.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

90. I heard this accusation last month

It was made by a rather agitated arab caller to the Erin Hart show (KIRO 710 AM Seattle Saturday and Sunday 9:00 PM - 1:00 AM). At the time I thought the caller was nuts. Maybe not.

[IndianaGreen]

92. Support the troops!

Keep waiving your stupid flags, after all we are the Nazi Germany of the 21st century!

[saigon68]

98. Looks like that more and more

Mothers taking their sons to the recruiters--- so the SONS---

can "FIGHT FOR FREEDOM"

Another term for killing those with dark skins.

DISGUSTING

[Whoa_Nelly]

93. Scott Ritter TIME interview saw kids/prison "horrific scene" 9/14/02

<snip>
You've spoke about having seen the children's prisons in Iraq. Can you describe what you saw there?

The prison in question is at the General Security Services headquarters, which was inspected by my team in Jan. 1998. It appeared to be a prison for children — toddlers up to pre-adolescents — whose only crime was to be the offspring of those who have spoken out politically against the regime of Saddam Hussein. It was a horrific scene. Actually I'm not going to describe what I saw there because what I saw was so horrible that it can be used by those who would want to promote war with Iraq, and right now I'm waging peace.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,351165,00.html

It won't be long before the treatment of children held in Iraqi prisons meets the light of day worldwide.
Sure hope this wakes up many people to come out of their ideologue closets.

Scott Ritter needs to come forward with more on this.

[haele]

94. Problem with that stance is that it helps to hide what is happening now...

We know Saddam was a thug. We know that people within his government would torture those they thought were outside the confines of his State with impunity and tacit acceptance of the government.

However -

What is happening now, under our auspices and leadership - in other words, in America's name is what is being condemned.

Not Saddam.

To imply that our actions now can be compared to Saddam's as a litmus test of the morality and ethics behind them is, in my opinion, verging on a pornographic apology of torture and rape. It's never acceptable - in fact, it's at least just as bad if "we do it, just not as bad" - or even worse - stand by like cowardly bullies as others do it in our presence for our benefit.

I almost understand why this is posted, possibly to suggest that Saddam was worse than the Provisional "Government" is. But it's the wrong argument to make in this case.
While it may appease the sensibilities of some people who want to compartmentalize things into comfortable niches, those with a strong sense of personal ethics and social morality will become even more incensed at what is being done in our name.

All situations must be judged on merits of actions pertaining to it, so assigning and taking responsibility for them honestly is paramount to resolving them.

I think discussions that consist of of "Well, so and so did this - so what I believe in and what my guys actions are cannot be so bad" and disingenuous at the very least.

Haele.

[Whoa_Nelly]

95. I posted bcause thought the article was about kids under Americam Auspices

not Saddam.
Apparently, I was mistaken.

Meanwhile, I continue to hunt for ANY news re: children in Iraq prisons under American Occupation. O8)

Your above post was incorrect in its supposition as to why I originally psoted the Scott Ritter story. Again, I made an error in posting it without thinking of the date of the interview, etc.

[haele]

97. okay

:D

[bobthedrummer]

99. MONARCH child programming links

Cheryl Hersha's childhood story is told as a surviving CIA asset.
http://www.raven1.net/kilchild.htm

CIA MONARCH child programming
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project189.html

What are we going to do about all this?