Christian Group Pushes for God on World War II Memorial

[mumon]

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200407%5CCUL20040721b.html


CNSNews.com) - The Christian Defense Coalition yesterday announced a national campaign to have God represented on the brand new World War II memorial.

"In this beautiful memorial ... there is not one reference to God, not one reference to prayer, not one reference to faith, not one reference to religion," Rev. Patrick Mahoney told reporters at the memorial Tuesday.

"I do not think that we are stretching history to say that one of the critical factors in winning the war against Germany and Japan was the collective faith of our people and our leaders."





"If blood was brown we'd all have medals" is a saying applied to those who actually faced the fear of being in battle.

You'd think that if their deity was all that decisive nobody would've shit their pants in battle.

[NC_Nurse]

1. Where do these people find the time

to scour the country for more places to demand GAWD be thrust in everyone's face?

Can't people just have privately held beliefs anymore?

When did GAWD become the "Budweiser" logo of every public place?

AAAAAUGH! Get lives people!!! Spend time on your personal salvation and quit MARKETING it. :puke:

[arcane1]

2. some samples of that "collective faith"

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter." Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Munich, April 12, 1922

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin, October 24, 1933

“Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.” Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

[2Design]

3. they must not have enough faith

they seem to need to market it because they do not believe in God or in themselves...if they did they would let God handle things in Gods time. But their god is so small and so hateful they feel a need to thrust it everywhere and they are turning people away from god.

[GOPFighter]

4. Hmmmm....

From the article:

He also announced the Christian Defense Coalition's plan to lobby the World War II Memorial Committee and the National Park Service to add a plaque to the memorial recognizing the importance of God in the war effort.

The proposed plaque features a quotation from General Douglas MacArthur that reads, "Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always."

Hmmm, after all those prayers, we STILL don't have peace. That alone proves the commission was correct not to include references to prayer and god. Either god doesn't exist or he doesn't listen to the pleadings of his worshipers.

[oneighty]

5. Reason number two

I never visit war memorials, nor do I worship the United States of America flag. Some one or some group is always taking over those memorials, and that flag for their own agenda, selling or promoting something or other.

I spent many years in the Navy and never once, and I mean never, was it required of me to recite the pledge of allegiance to the flag, nor was I required to attend church.

Please religious people of all faiths keep your God out of my space.

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[Bridget Burke]

6. The Cenotaph is the English monument to the dead of the Great War

It bears no religious symbols because soldiers from all over the Empire fought in that war. But the one in DC is just for the USA--and we're all Christians here?

(Siegfried Sassoon, one of the soldier poets of the war, wrote "At the Cenotaph"--he already knew what was to come.)

I saw the Prince of Darkness, with his Staff,
Standing bare-headed by the Cenotaph:
Unostentatious and respectful, there
He stood, and offered up the following prayer.
'Make them forget, O Lord, what this Memorial
Means; their discredited ideas revive;
Breed new belief that War is purgatorial
Proof of the pride and power of being alive;
Men's biologic urge to readjust
The Map of Europe, Lord of Hosts, increase;
Lift up their hearts in large destructive lust;
And crown their heads with blind vindictive Peace.'
The Prince of Darkness to the Cenotaph
Bowed. As he walked away I heard him laugh.

[KamaAina]

7. Perhaps Rev. Mahoney would care to visit Punchbowl

the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific, inside a volcanic crater above Honolulu.

Inside Punchbowl are rows upon rows of headstones marking the graves of those killed in the Pacific theater. True, many stones do bear crosses, but among them are a large number of stones carved with the Buddhist dharma wheel. Many of these were members of the highly decorated 442nd Regimental Combat Team, whose ranks included U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye (D).

On second thought, we've already had Fred Phelps out here this year. Mahoney can go take a hike -- somewhere else.

[mumon]

8. Not to mention Iwo Jima...

Japanese page

American article:

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2004/06/orourke.htm

[Hamlette]

9. I'll agree if atheists get out of the draft

since...it was "the collective faith of our people and our leaders"

[hyphenate]

10. I agree!

<heavy sarcasm>I think we should mention Christianity somewhere in the Memorial. As well as atheism, agnosticism, paganism, Islam, Satanism, Catholicism, deism, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Santeria, and any other possible religion that could have been the faith of any of the many, many soldiers who died in WWII.</sarcasm off>

[mom cat]

12. And don't forget Wicca!

O8)

[AlabamaYankee]

11. Only if they Include Mark Twain's "War Prayer"

Twain at his outraged polemical best. Rejected by his publisher, it was found in his papers after his death. It's a Must Read for everybody.


http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/making/warprayer.html

[54anickel]

15. Thanks for posting!

[TahitiNut]

13. There're plenty of smooth surfaces ...

... so just let the "finger of God" write whatever (s)he wants. I can even suggest a Bush to burn, too. :evilgrin:

[rocktivity]

14. Let them put up their own money and build their own memorial

If this memorial is being paid for with our taxes, it can't endorse any kind of a deity.

rocknation

[LastDemocratInSC]

16. Oh, you mean the god that let that terrible slaughter go on for years?

Isn't it interesting that while God cares for all creatures so much that he sees every little sparrow that falls, he lets those little creatures hit the ground anyway? I suppose conservation of energy trumps godly compassion in that Grand Scheme of Things.