WP:Manifest shows 13 bin Laden relatives left U.S. on charter flight(9/19)

[Newsjock]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0721terror-binladen21-ON.html

Dana Milbank
Washington Post
Jul. 21, 2004 04:25 PM

WASHINGTON - At least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden, accompanied by bodyguards and associates, were allowed to leave the United States on a charter flight eight days after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, according to a passenger manifest released Wednesday.

... The passenger list was made public by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., who obtained the manifest from officials at Boston's Logan airport. Lautenberg's office was given the document in recent weeks and released it Wednesday in advance of Thursday's issuance of the final report of the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks.

Though much was already known about the so-called "bin Laden flight," Lautenberg provided additional details, including the information that the plane, a 727 owned by DB Air and operated by Ryan International, began in Los Angeles and made stops in Orlando, Dulles and Boston before continuing on to Gander, Newfoundland, Paris, Geneva and Jeddah. The aircraft, tail number N521DB, has been chartered frequently by the White House for the press corps that travels with President Bush.

... Dale Watson, former FBI counterterrorism chief, said Wednesday that FBI agents "scrubbed the people who were leaving and I was informed none of them were anybody we needed to detain or not allow to leave."

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[ChompySnack]

1. Ruh roh

"The aircraft, tail number N521DB, has been chartered frequently by the White House for the press corps that travels with President Bush."

Damning.

[democrat_patriot]

2. Hey freepers?!

You hearing (reading) this?

[freepertoo]

32. Hello

I have been on Free Republic twice, both thru links provided here. I get a kick out of reading the forums, and often disagree. I tried to participate once before and was tagged a freeper (I had to look it up), was locked out and all my posts were deleted. I sent an email to get some clarification as to why, and how one or two folks could categorize me so quickly and then have me banished, but got no response.

I guess the point is, that by someone's definition, I am a freeper (but not by mine).

You ask a question, I love spirited debate and am willing to answer.

Am I welcome to participate ?? I have read the rules and can comply - unfortunately some folks might not like my opinions.

At least let me know if this should be my first and last post before I am summarily deleted from the board.

(I thought this message was pretty polite - curious as to anyone's response)

Finally, I would like to answer your question, but you may not actually want an answer.......

[Bandit]

42. Bring it On

Let's hear what you have to say. You believe family members of the most wanted man in the world are not of any interest to American intelligence. Why don't we rape their children in front of them to get the answers we want? It has been deemed only equivilent to college hazing and quite appropriate by this administration.

[tooie]

66. Sorry

not allowed to reply, I was banished without warning or cause (I DID say I have read the rules and can comply). Any response of mine would probably just annoy some touchy individuals (not the mods, they are only here to do their job.....)

btw, you seem a little tense.....

[democrat_patriot]

47. You there anymore?

The main republican/freeper response has been: "Bin Laden's family was NOT flown out, it's a lie, prove it"

Please read the above article.

I'll await any disagreement.

[tooie]

67. Sorry

not allowed to reply, I was banished without warning or cause (I DID say I have read the rules and can comply).

anyway, I've never said that their leaving was a lie - however, Clarke did approve which means there was a major systemic failure, not necessarily a conspiracy. I don't like Lautenberg, think he was just trying to justify his salary/position with the info.

BTW have you read about the 14 Syrian "musicians" alledgedly doing a dry run on the Det to LA flight (google womens wall street northwest detroit). Funny thing is that after a 2 hour long grilling, they were released - unfortunately, no one caught that their visas had already expired.......... explain that one.....

[UpInArms]

3. what a surprise (NOT!)

The aircraft, tail number N521DB, has been chartered frequently by the White House for the press corps that travels with President Bush.

these creeps (*Co and the BFEE) have had their fingerprints all over this.

This time they left the glove behind.

[HereSince1628]

6. Yes, they are CREPs

Many of the evil doers were cutting their political teeth during the misadventures of Noxon's (C)ommittee to (Re-E)lect the (P)resident.

Watergate and Iran-Contra taught them a lot about how to manage an administration.

[NashVegas]

4. Still Avoidance

Is that local Florida paper still the only outlet that reported on the flight that left Tampa on Sept 13?

[DaveSZ]

7. Link is broken

Edit- NM.

:)

[fearnobush]

5. 911 Commission - A Whitewash - just said on Olbermann.

[mumon]

8. Holy Sh*t! Wait a second....

The flight manifest lists 13 people with the bin Laden surname and others with Brazilian, British, Indonesian and Yemeni passports. Passenger Omar Awad bin Laden had lived with Abdullah bin Laden, a nephew of Osama bin Laden who was involved in forming the U.S. branch of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth in Alexandria, Va. Federal agents raided the office this spring in connection with a terrorism-related investigation. The FBI has described the group as "a suspected terrorist organization."


And they said these people weren't terrorist- related?

Now which is it?

Either the Fed raid was bogus, or the Bush dictatorship let terrorist collaborators go!

And Michael Moore was right!

[Rose Siding]

14. The commish is also missing a couple of passengers

snip>
The commission reported that there were 23 passengers and three private security guards on the bin Laden flight. However, the manifest lists 25 passengers, plus the three guards

[fearnobush]

9. Ohh how I love my Senator Lautenberg.

You get em' Frank.

[mumon]

10. Keep this thing kicked...

That's what the 9/11 report's gonna say: Bush let terrorists leave the country!

[annxburns]

11. Dana Milbank ...

... you most time media whore. YOU ROCK!

[fearnobush]

12. Not only did Bush let terrorists leave the country! They helped finance

his 2000 bid, whether knowingly or not, This is all over Ungers book, House of Bush, House of Saud.

[Rose Siding]

13. This is the one point Clinton mentioned in RS about Moore's movie

snip>
As somebody who's been in the business of making decisions, to me the most powerful question presented was whether it was appropriate to send the bin Ladens -- and the other Saudis -- without interrogating them first. There's no question that most of family deplores what he did. But, on the other hand, it's highly likely that somebody knew something that could be of value.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story?id=6298179&rnd=1090333548740&has-player=false

[KittyWampus]

15. How And WHEN Did Those Saudis GET TO LOGAN For Flight On 19th.

they were all over the country.

They must have gotten to Logan BY A PREVIOUS FLIGHT ON AN EARLIER DATE THAN SEPTEMBER 19TH!!!

[lostnfound]

27. It's already known that there were flights on the 13th carrying Saudis.

From Tampa to Lexington.

[Hoping4Change]

43. And don't forget these were private charters which were still banned

from flying. (By Sept 13th many commerical flights had the go ahead to fly.)

[John_H]

16. Anyone see the MSNBC "exclusive" shill piece in which

the main source was the owner of the charter service? Said they expressed "fear for their children's lives" and "hatred for Osama."
He just got the "exclusive" air charter contract for Saudi billionaires from now until 2409, I bet. MSNBC is the Cartoon Network of news.

[DaveSZ]

17. TIA now verifies flight of Saudis

http://www.saintpetersburgtimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml



TIA now verifies flight of Saudis

The government has long denied that two days after the 9/11 attacks, the three were allowed to fly.
By JEAN HELLER, Times Staff Writer
Published June 9, 2004

[lovuian]

18. Ya Know what about Americans Fears that week

I'm freaking tired of hearing about Saudis Fears

they were in America

they had nothing to fear unless they were guilty

and thats what this says Get out of Dodge ...It was an escape and Bush Helped them

He gave more help to the Saudis than he did the New Yorkers those minutes he was reading My Pet Goat

all it would have taken was get off his A$$ and call the pilots and stop that second plane

[Hoping4Change]

44. It is such a stretch for them to claim they were afraid when

there are thousands of secure places they could be housed until thorough investigations were completed.

[a_random_joel]

61. Cheney's bunker for one...

[Hoping4Change]

62. LOL

Good point.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

19. The names from the manifest posted on Senator Lautenberg's Web Site

http://www.lautenberg.senate.gov/images/flight%20manifest.pdf

Jason Blum (LAPD)
Najia Binladen
Khalil Binladen
Sultan Binladen
Maria M.F. Bayma
Isabel Bayma
Khalil Sultan Binladen
Shafig Binladen
Akberali Moawalla
Omar Awad Binladen
Kholoud Osama Kurdi
Badr Ahmed Binladen
Nawaf Bark Binladen
Reem Hazmar Asar
Omar Saleh Almadoudi
Faisal Saleh Almadoudi
Mohammed Saleh Binladen
Salman Salem Binladen
Tamara Khalil Binladen
Sana's Mohammad Binladen
Mohammed Awed Aljohi
Suyati BT Sumiran Sadar
Almtasim Mazen Alsawwaf
J.P. Buonono
Joseph Allen Wyka
Ricardo V. Pascetta

[daleo]

22. I count 12 Binladens

An even dozen. They could have laid low or been kept in protective custody. Clearly, there was no fear that U.S. citizens would march on them with pitchforks and torches, like villagers in some old movie. There is plenty more to this.

[lovuian]

23. Thats A bunch of Bin Laudins in America Osama picked a heck

of a time to do the WTC when all his family was here cause he didn't have to worry Bush would take care of them all...

and he did

Unfreakingbelievable!!! :argh:

Now why don't Saudia Arabia send us the Bin Laudins for questioning???
If their our friends and want to get to the bottom of things

[Hoping4Change]

45. The Saudis won't even allow the FBI to interview them in Saudia

Arabia. The Saudi's have refused the FBI all access to these people.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

20. Here's some info on DB Air

from their website:

DB Air arranges for discreet private air charter service for the smart traveler by eliminating the many aggravations of public air travel. Just imagine: no more terminal traffic jams, no waiting for hours in congested airports, no lost luggage or concerns about safety, and security. DB Air and its partner airlines provide superior service, greater privacy and better security.

DB Air clients move through private FBO terminals without the glare of public exposure. On board, they enjoy superb cuisine, top-shelf beverages and more space per passenger than any other aircraft, including other private charter services. Our clients arrive at their destination on time, in style, relaxed, renewed and ready to take on the day or evening.

[KoKo]

21. But who on the cables will tell the people? WaPo isn't enough, and yet

Sandy Berger story is everywhere. Has anyone heard any of the cables go on about this? Who will do something!

[Snazzy]

24. The White House press plane ?!@#!!

Friggin' amazing--and that's new info to me anyway.

Who else did the White House actually help after 9/11? Sure wasn't NY.

Also, some notes-- Shafig Binladen is the guy who was at the Carlye mtg w/Sr. His destination is Geneva (straight to the bank? He might live there actually).

And there are other BinLadens (binladin's. bin ladens, whatever). Like Waffa, who lived in NY a mile from WTC, now in London trying to sell cds. What plane was she on? I seem to remember reading there were a lot more Saudis and possibly more binladens?

From a brief google, al Mawdudi (note the changed spelling vs. manifest) is the name of the founder of a Pakistani radical jihad group. Sounds like his kids made the flight.

Fun page on him: http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/sayyid_abu.htm

Akberali Mohamed Ali Moawalla also appears to be a big money guy. British passport and destination France, he is a director of several companies in the UK, Bahamas and a part of Saudi binLadin co. in Malaysia (if I'm getting this right from a French page I found).

Couple more names to look up there...

[mumon]

25. Kick! This article shows Moore was right about the Saudis

The Bush junta let material witnesses go.

[maddezmom]

26. were Shafig Bin Laden and poppy bush lunching together???

<Among the other passengers was Osama bin Laden half-brother Shafig Bin Laden, who reportedly was attending the annual investor conference of the Carlyle Group, a politically connected investment company in Washington on Sept. 11, 2001. Also on board was Akberali Moawalla, an official with the investment company run by Yeslam bin Laden, another half brother of Osama. Records show that another passenger, Kholoud Kurdi, lived in Northern Virginia with a bin Laden family member.>>

[Snazzy]

28. Yes. Looked up some of them, see my #24. n/t

[maddezmom]

29. thanks....

and CNN is doing a peice on it right now.....nice to see them not drop the ball on something now and again.

[Snazzy]

31. missed it

Hijackers got about 30 seconds. Missing pregnant jogger woman in Utah got three minutes or so. Stay tuned for the next year! Then there was something about a cat that didn't freeze to death. I'll take bets we see some shark attack footage before the day is out.

[Hoping4Change]

46. Yes this is covered in detail in Paul Thompson's 911 Timeline.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

[Judi Lynn]

30. Amazing news, Newsjock. Thanks.

This puts a real kick in our morning! :kick: :kick: :kick:

[TrogL]

33. Ryan International

I've heard that name before, but I can't remember the context. Did they have anything to do with pilot training?

[maddezmom]

35. weren't they involved with the mercenaries in Zimbabwe?

[maddezmom]

38. oops that was Dodson, not Ryan Air

[LeftHander]

34. How much money has Carlyle made since 911?

I guess the investor conference on 9/11 started out with a bang...

A big kick off for a "new era of profitability..."

I would like to know much more about this "investor conference".

Did they have big screen monitors set up to watch the coverage...?

[kentuck]

36. Yes. Why the White House press plane ??

Why not a private chartered jet paid for by the Saudis? Or did the Saudis pay the White House? I had a friend that was stuck in Germany and could not get home - even though her son had been shot and killed in a gang activity. Perhaps she should have called someone at the White House and gotten a free flight home???

[Jacobin]

37. Who paid for the charter?

Enquiring minds want to know..................

[kimchi]

39. Good question.

We all know this is merely a coincidence, because the plane is a private chartered flight for "discriminating" air travelers. Right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[matcom]

40. POST THIS AT FREEPERVILLE!!!

i wanna watch them bleed out their eyes

[frankly_fedup2]

41. My memory is getting more cloudy the older I get; however,

I could have sworn on 9/11 itself, the media were showing pictures (through a large, chain-link fence), of the Bin Laden family unloading their limos hurriedly (or their servants), and the news person reporting stating that they were being removed from the Country for their own safety.

Now, does anyone else remember that??????

The act seems clear as day to me and the media has it (Fox News), however, the day it happened, is not clear. I watched all of it as it happened all day. Those of you who did not get to see it live, be thankful because there has been a lot of media editing to get rid of some of the gore.

If you are interested in seeing it live as it happened, most media Networks charge $40.00 an hour of live news footage. That could add up to a lot. However, I checked this back in 2001. I do not know if it is available anymore????

[Nashyra]

48. kick

[DaveSZ]

49. You know as well as we do that the cable networks are in *'s pocket.

;)

[ItsThePeopleStupid]

55. here's what I found out

from http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=11408

paraphrasing, they're redoing the software. It's been a couple of years now though. They deny it's political.

Maybe a few posts to the forum above would get them busy, or at least get an answer.

[nofurylike]

60. i'm late to this thread, but i thought the same, frankly_fedup2.

just two days ago, my mom and i were saying exactly what you said here. we were scouring our post-trauma shocked memories saying, "i'd almost swear i remember that day (9/11) or the very next day, freaking after hearing bin ladens were being allowed to leave....."

i so wish i'd kept articles on this back then!!

so, yes, i do remember something like what you remember - just so shadowed....
sorry late to reply.

anyone else remember anything like this?


peace!

[frankly_fedup2]

63. Exactly NoFury. It seemed like it all happened that day . . .

However, the pictures state that it was a couple of days after. I could have sworn it was on that day. I guess over time, everything has turned into one continuous nightmare instead of months of them.

[onecitizen]

65. Yes I do Frank.........

been hesitant to say so though cause no one else had brought it up. Glad I'm not alone on this. It has gone through my mind all day today that I KNOW this was mentioned either the day of or the day AFTER the plane ride out of the country.

[David Zephyr]

50. Who Made "The Request" That Clark Approved?????

Two glaring questions:

1.) Who made the "request" that Richard Clark approved?

2.) If the Administration was really believing that Iraq was behind the attack, then why was there any urgency to protect Saudis within the United States who were related to Osama?

[mumon]

52. "Bandhar Bush" did.

Prince Bandhar admitted it on Meet the Press.

[RetroLounge]

51. kick

:kick:

RL

[ItsThePeopleStupid]

53. this even goes beyond what Michael Moore said

>The U.S. government had allowed at least one domestic flight before commercial airspace had been reopened for Saudis who feared for their safety, Lautenberg's staff said.<

Michael Moore, on TV, said at least one domestic flight before *private planes* allowed to fly, but after commercial ones. This goes beyond that. I think some people owe Michael Moore an apology.

[0007]

54. Wow!! This is a load for the American people to hear about

"Among the other passengers was Osama bin Laden half-brother Shafig Bin Laden, who reportedly was attending the annual investor conference of the Carlyle Group, a politically connected investment company in Washington on Sept. 11, 2001. Also on board was Akberali Moawalla, an official with the investment company run by Yeslam bin Laden, another half brother of Osama. Records show that another passenger, Kholoud Kurdi, lived in Northern Virginia with a bin Laden family member."

No wonder one one wanted to talk about these bin Laden's flying out of the country.

[alfredo]

56. good work guys

:kick:

[One_Life_To_Give]

57. Missing Slam Dunk?

Who Chartered the plane?
Is it used exclusivly by the White House, government, Carlyle?

[demgrrrll]

59. Who is Jason Blum? Is his name important or was he just along for

the ride? On edit, I quess he was a security guard.

[bobbyboucher]

58. That plane description sounds eerily familiar to that plane in Africa

that was carrying the mercenaries to some country in Africa. Weren't they South Afrikans? Tat charter company sounds familiar too.

[stickdog]

64. This is nuts. (nt)