Teresa Heinz Kerry tells reporter to," shove it".

[dand]

Teresa Heinz Kerry urged her home-State delegates to the Democratic National Convention to restore a more civil tone to American politics, then minutes later told a newspaperman to "shove it."



http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/index.html

[tooie]

1. you go girl

eom

[jdj]

67. DU this poll for Theresa Heinz-Kerry

This is their election poll (The Pittsburgh channel)

scroll all the way down to bottom right corner where it says 'survey'

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/politics/index.html

[AlabamaYankee]

90. Why does it say "the Democratic Candidate"?

I may be hypersensitive to media skew, but it's pretty clear that the Democratic Candidate will be Kerry. It can't be that he hasn't been officially nominated, because the Republican Candidate hasn't been either and they call Bush* out by name.

[tooie]

107. I thought it was due to the nomination

but you're right, * has not been nominated yet either (did I do that (*) right ??)

[jdj]

122. Beczuse this is Scaife country and he is the puke puppet

master, probably has his fingers in both these Pittsburgh pies (newspaper and the news channel that 'says' they filmed this.

This poll is one of the more obviously partisan I've seen, but we really got it within a percentage point since I posted this, they haven't changed the percentages yet, but the totals show the truth.

[true grit]

131. But it doesn't have an undecided,

It has as A.B.B. though!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

87. pic here

[Cronus Protagonist]

128. Awww.w.... she wasn't wearing her "SHOVE IT!" button...

SHOVE IT! - Drop Bush Not Bombs! - GO FUCK YOURSELF
http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[bushisanidiot]

2. I'm Sure They Were Baiting Her Just Like They DON'T Do To Laura Bush

So, good for Teresa!

At least it wasn't on the senate floor.. and "shove it" is a looooong cry from "go fuck yourself".

[luaneryder]

9. The article did not say

how many times the reporter kept hammering her with one question although she had answered it. Would he have persisted with one of the *'s after being answered-No.

[mithnanthy]

11. Good for her!

I like her attitude.

[jdj]

62. I saw her give it to Judy Woodruff in not so many words too.

They have been baiting her from the get go, have been very disrepectful of her in general from day 1.

So she lost it. She definitely spoke for me.

I remember Judy Woodruff was questioning her about her $2000 donation to the League of Conservation Voters in 2000, trying to make her seem like a radical or something, and she said 'look most of the American public is concerned about the environment, and it wasn't my $2000 4 years ago that did it. She really flew all over Judy Woodruff, and the truth is, that you could tell she was really holding back. I'd love to see her unleash her full fury on these reporters.

This whole interview sounds like a set-up. And I don't find the irony in the article in that she was talking to delegates, not reporters, and an obvious puke reporter tried to bait her. I'm sure she just never bothered to include reporters in her speech because she knows the pukes own the media and therefore are completely incapable of bringing civility to politics. They are partisan, period.

When they run an article on how Bush makes a public speech lauding a government program and then later that day or the next totally gut the budget for it, or signs legislation completely castrating it which he has done about 15 or 20 times since he's been in office, (enough to inspire Al Franken to joke that if Bush mentions a program publicly, look out, it's about to get slashed, especially veteran' benefits) then I will believe the partisanship has toned down.

[Fridays Child]

110. How do you bait someone whose signature issue is reading?

Way to grab that political third rail, Pickles! :eyes:

[fdr_hst_fan]

137. Oh, no-we CAN't treat

Mrs SMIRK badly-that wouldn't be FAIR, and we ALL KNOW how FAIR the Repukes are! HORSEFEATHERS!
:puke:

[xchrom]

3. why don't these right wing rags ask

the folks at du what they think sometimes.
then i want to hear the talking heads try to explain away the level of anger.
they can all go fuck{re: the media} themselves.

[muchacho]

4. jeeez

tactical error...the rich should not be let out of their penthouses.

[FlashHarry]

8. You forgot to end with </sarcasm>... I hope.

Either that, or your statement was facile, blinkered and embarrassing (for you).

[muchacho]

27. yes yes

How embarrassing for me to notice a tactical blunder under public scrutiny. The Right will have a field day with this.

And if you want facile try "shove it."

[FlashHarry]

32. Actually, "Shove it" isn't facile.

As in "superficial," or "overly simplistic." Her "shove it" comment was made to a reporter who works for a right-wing rag that has consistently represented her and her family for years. I agree that it was a tactical error. But the idea that it happened because we somehow "let the rich out of their penthouses," is facile.

[muchacho]

120. how nice

you have a dictionary. My argument still stands.

[snippy]

54. Fuck the right. They are voting for the lying sack of shit. n/t

[muchacho]

121. true

But she need not give the liars soundbites.

[jdj]

65. Is it on tape?

Because if you have seen Heinz-Kerry speak you would know that she is brilliant, and sharp as a tack. Reportedly speaks five languages, educated in the best schools...

It's a sad commentary that the press will have a field day with THIS but yet Bush said there were WMD's and oops, there aren't any.

And will this get more play than Rumsfeld denying he said al qaeda and Iraq were linked, even though Chris Matthews plays him the recording of where he said it. And so on

[jdj]

68. I just re-read the article, and they use the word "photographer"

instead of camera-man, which I think is odd. Also, they DO NOT give the reporter's question in quotes, they only paraphrase the question he asked while quoting her as saying "un-American" so it's probable he was being a total asshole and twisting her words.

And given that this is Sciafe country, I wouldn't put too much stock into this.

[SemperEadem]

86. In news, that's what they call 'camera-men'

every market in the country, they're called Photographers. The head cameraperson is called the "Chief Photographer". Nothing odd about it at all... it's the industry term for the position.

[Moloch]

116. I saw it on CNN, she did say "un-American"

but the reporter was being an asshole about it....

[Media_Lies_Daily]

23. How often do they let YOU out?

[muchacho]

26. so...

you think this was a good move?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

28. IMHO, it was an EXCELLENT move to tell the little Scaife-funded twerp...

...what he could do with his repeated and obnoxious attempts to ask Teresa the same out-of-context question. She had already stated that she didn't say exactly what the reporter was trying to get her to acknowledge.

Personally, I don't give a damn how the rightwing media is going to report this story.

[gatlingforme]

55. True, the media loves to misquote when they have an agenda and

they all do. you can talk to a reporter for five minutes to explain a point and they will - quote - from that five minutes the dumbest looking sentence and use it for the entire article without exlaining the context of the sentence.

[SemperEadem]

88. Actually, she should carry a really strong magnet with her

and pull it out when a news reporter and photographer get overzealous. You see... the tapes are magnetic--and introducing another magnetic source will scramble the signal going to the tape, rendering the tape useless.

That is how you erase tapes--on a magnetic degouser. Strips everything off the tape so you can reuse it.

Food for thought.

[Judi Lynn]

25. Rich like firk yourself Cheney? Rich like Bush as he called the reporter

a first class a$$####? What income range permits strong speech? Is "shove it" as rancid as what Bush and Cheney said? Of course not.

They weren't being jerked around at the time, either, as she was.

Teresa Heinz Kerry is perfectly within her rights.

[bleedingheart]

36. did you read the article? IMHO she was justified

the Trib is a right-wing rag owned by Scaife.

[earthside]

51. Trib-Review Scaife Owned

Here's a page from People for the American Way that explains what kind of 'newspaper' the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review really is:

"Scaife is the Vice Chairman, Publisher and Owner of Tribune-Review Publishing Co. (Publishes the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review). During the 2000 election campaign Scaife ordered newspaper editors of the archconservative newspaper that he owns, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, to pull all photographs of Democratic nominee Al Gore and guarantee that no prominent images or stories about Gore appear on the front page of the newspaper."

Indeed, Mrs Kerry was restrained and civil in the face of this 'reporter' for such a low, scummy, rag.

I suggest e-mailing all the news media and asking them to please fully report the story by explaining what kind of 'newspaper' the Tribune-Review is.

[jdj]

70. Thanks, I had a feeling Sciafe was in on this.

It's his puke country, and he knows she's got the bucks to seriously challenge him.

[IndianaGreen]

5. They can shove it too!

Americans are about to find out that Teresa Heinz is not some push-over cooking baking lame brained moron. Teresa has used far more colorful language to describe Rick Sanctorum, a man she uttterly despises (the bad blood goes back to shortly after the death of her husband John Heinz).

I love Teresa Heinz! Too bad she is constitutionally barred from running for Prez.

[Mel]

30. IndianaGreen

could you give me some details of the bad blood between Teresa and Rick?
I went looking for the story and it's one I sadly admit I missed.

BTW when I went looking I came up with a bunch of bash Teresa stories that I didn't want to plow into it's just to early in the morning to go there. I didn't want you to think I was lazy and wouldn't look for myself the headline that sent me back here was the one about Dean wearing a dress? What the hell?

[Judi Lynn]

33. It's nothing anyone could get any mileage from, or seriously consider.

DU'ers know about the author, a real right-wing skank.

Howard Dean in a dress
Michelle Malkin (archive)


January 28, 2004

It's only a matter of time before we witness another Howard Dean Moment in the Democratic presidential race -- but not, I predict, from any of the Democratic presidential candidates. Skulking in the campaign background is a ticking time bombette with a volatile temper and acid tongue who makes Dean look like Mr. Rogers on Prozac.

She's the wife of front-runner Sen. John Kerry, Teresa Heinz. Formerly known as Maria Teresa Thierstein Simoes-Ferreira, the hot-headed widow of the late Pennsylvania GOP Sen. John Heinz is self-aggrandizingly known among her wealthy liberal friends and fellow environmental radicals as "Saint Teresa" (and that's pronounced Teh-RAY-zah, you ninny!).

Though she has been married to Sen. Kerry since 1995 -- "I would have bashed him over the head" if he hadn't proposed, she, uh, joked -- she only recently and reluctantly allowed herself to be known as "Teresa Heinz Kerry" in hubby's political brochures and during campaign events and press interviews. "They'll call me Mrs. Kerry, because that's what's natural to them," she complained to Elle magazine last summer. "I don't tell them to shut up. . . . I don't give a s--t, you know."

Okay then. We'll just call her Howard Dean in haute couture.
(snip/...)

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20040128.shtml

Shabby, nasty, low grade crap. This simply doesn't belong among people with anthing serious on their minds.

[Mel]

38. reason I stopped looking

and asked IndianaGreen for help. The story you posted was the kind of trash I was finding and I wanted a source from IG that I knew wouldn't be trash!

[Moloch]

117. Am I the only person who finds this kind of portrayal extremely..

sexist?

[regnaD kciN]

129. Anyone who can get targeted by Michelle Malkin...

...is O.K. in my book!

And, by the way, you can shove it, too, Michelle.

:spank:

[IndianaGreen]

66. Here is a story from June 2002 from the Washington Post

I saved the file, but not the URL because I used the article as background for a graduate paper I wrote on Teresa Heinz and her management of the Heinz Philanthropies:

What Teresa Heinz found and what she lost
Pittsburgh's forthright 'Saint Teresa' could play compelling, wildcard role in husband Kerry's presidential hopes

Wednesday, June 05, 2002

By Mark Leibovich, The Washington Post

WASHINGTON -- Teresa Heinz is getting up a full head of rage while her husband, Sen. John Kerry, fidgets.

<snip>

But John Heinz's enduring presence in Teresa's life is best revealed when someone slights his memory. Which, at least indirectly, is why she and Kerry are now in mid-bicker.

"That guy does not deserve diplomacy," says Heinz. She is referring to Sen. Rick Santorum, the Pennsylvania Republican who offended her in 1994 during his campaign for John Heinz's old Senate seat. She won't elaborate on what Santorum said to earn her enmity, only that she won't speak to him again.

"He's changed," Kerry mumbles, trying to keep this from becoming an on-the-record spectacle. The Massachusetts Democrat tries to add that he gets along with his colleague, but Heinz interrupts. "Sweetie, I know," Kerry says, talking over her, "I'm just saying ..."

He exhales a long, loud sigh.

[glitch]

140. LOL this post really makes me like them both! nt

[IndianaGreen]

73. I just PM you the entire article

that I quoted on my earlier post.

[No Mandate Here.]

6. This isn't just any news person,

this is one whose paycheck is signed by Richard Mellon Scaife. We should all know that this "news" person is as biased against Kerry and the Dems as you can get.

[IndianaGreen]

15. Scaife? I haven't heard that name since...

the Arkansas Project and the Ken Starr "investigation."

Teresa should have kicked the reporter in the balls!

[Judi Lynn]

31. They never sleep. They lie in wait. Hope they come away empty

this time. Pathetic, sub-standard people.

[Judi Lynn]

7. Yep, they feel a need to start doing "hard news" after years

of bowing, cooing and waving at the _Bushes. They need to kick some political butt. They think they'll just take a good hard kick at Teresa Heinz Kerry. Cheney them!

Marla Romash, Teresa Heinz Kerry spokeswoman, told WTAE-TV's Scott Baker, "This was sheer frustration, aimed at a right-wing rag, that has consistently and purposely misrepresented the facts in reporting on Mrs. Kerry and her family."

Good for Mrs. Kerry.

[Tom Kitten]

10. how awful...

this calls for an immediate Republican congressional investigation, stat!

[Political_Junkie]

12. Applause!

Good for her!

[Eurobabe]

13. at least she didn't say GO FUCK YERSELF!

I think she exercised restraint.

[Catt03]

22. Great response!

I hope she uses your response instead of apologizing.

Hey Kerry people....you listening?

[Nomad559]

14. Direct link for streaming video

http://mfile.akamai.com/8186/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2004/0726/3576483.200k.asx

[mom cat]

46. Thanks for that wonderful link. I love her fire and genuine passion.

I just hope that they don't start baiting her.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

16. One of the major backers of the source of this story is Hearst-Argyle...

...whose parent corporation is The Hearst Corporation of "yellow journalism" fame from their coverage, and some say, a major instigation of the Spanish-American War. Hearst today is just another conservative owner of the mainstream media.

Hearst-Argyle FAQ
<http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=HTV&script=1801>

Hearst Corporation - About
<http://www.hearst.com/about/>

If Teresa Heinz Kerry told a reporter from this outfit to "shove it", they most probably deserved it. Being "more civil" doesn't mean having to take a bunch of crap from a reporter.

[FlashHarry]

17. Hillary on Theresa, "You go girl!"

Ha!

[madmax]

18. What Teresa said and why:

"We need to turn back some of the creeping, un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits that are coming into some of our politics," she told her fellow Pennsylvanians at a Sunday night reception at the Massachusetts Statehouse.

Minutes later, Colin McNickle, the editorial page editor of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, questioned her on exactly what she meant by the term "un-American," according to a tape of the encounter recorded by WTAE Channel 4 Action News.

Heinz Kerry said "I didn't say that" several times to McNickle. She then turned to confer with Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell and others. When she faced McNickle again a short time later, he continued to question her, and she replied, "You said something I didn't say. Now shove it." http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/3576476/detail.html

Bravo!!!

[maddezmom]

19. yup...just saw it on CNN

You Go Girl.... :)

[FlashHarry]

20. Unfortunately, she did say "un-American."

But, the presstitute was taking it out of context. She said something like, "this political incivility is un-Pennsylvanian, and sometimes, un-American."

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. The exact phrase was "un-American traits".

[JDPriestly]

119. un-American activities

Teresa Heinz-Kerry said "un-American traits." I heard the newsman ask her about "un-American activities," which is quite different. "Un-American activities" has connotations from the McCarthy era. Maybe that is why she was so upset about this.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. I like what Teresa's spokeswoman had to say later in the story...

<http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/3576476/detail.html>

"Marla Romash, Teresa Heinz Kerry spokeswoman, told WTAE-TV's Scott Baker, 'This was sheer frustration, aimed at a right-wing rag, that has consistently and purposely misrepresented the facts in reporting on Mrs. Kerry and her family.'"

Yep...Scaife-funded all the way. What are they calling this project, the "Massachusetts Project"? I wonder if Ted Olson is working on this since he recently resigned as the NeoCon Solicitor General?

[Citizen Daryl]

29. You Know That The Knives Are Being Sharpened

I suspect that what they do to Kerry if he wins the election will make the Clinton story look like a Democratic puff piece.

[Junkdrawer]

45. Building the next Hillary to pillory...

A proven activate-the-base tactic with the Freeper set.

[arwalden]

34. Get Over It! Cheney:"Go Fuck Yourself". Bush: "Major League Asshole"

Where was the outrage THEN? Where was the over-reporting THEN? Hypocrites!

[catmandu57]

35. Damn, they'd really howl

if she told him to go cheney himself. These "people" never want yo ask me a question, I'd turn the air blue with a responce.

[bleedingheart]

37. The Tribune Review has consistently misrepresented my sister's statements

so she won't even talk to their reporters or return their phone calls anymore. My sister holds a public office and she has consistently been disappointed by the fact that the Trib misquotes.
That paper is bad news.

Teresa was justified.

[Beware the Beast Man]

39. More slanted bullshit from Scaife

nt

[Catfight]

40. She should have told them to Go Cheney themselves!

[Ironpost]

41. This Lady will make a great First Lady

I normally speak unscripted says she, how wonderful... Go Lady

[Neecy]

42. hee

I read the story this morning and I burst out laughing. I love her frankness, and it's time to call out Scaife and his hate machine on their bullshit. I'm sure she's had more than her fill of it over the years.

[Judi Lynn]

43. I just sent off my e-mail note to www.kmbz.com in Kansas City

when the show hosts, Ellen Schenk and Noel Heckerson were having a "news flash" interview with an ABC Radio News reporter, and he gave one of his revolting, mock good-natured laughs as he casually asked the ABC guy if Teresa Heinz Kerry "just had a melt down, or whaaaat?"

The reporter claimed that basically that's exactly what happened. He did remark that the reporter had really been on her case, really riding her, but in effect, she did lose her cool altogether.

Oh, YEAH? Well, you can see where they want to take this! Oh, she's UNSTABLE, by now! Well, I'll warrant she's more stable than someone who KILLS her piece of crap ex-boyfriend and walks away without even a scolding.

I'll warrant she doesn't have DUI's out the wazoo, or a coke habit she's refused to discuss, etc., etc., etc.

We can by God show them stability!



The too-good-for-this world, Noel and Ellen! Republican buttheads, mouthpieces, Entercom employees.
www.kmbz.com

[Ganja Ninja]

44. I'm begining to really warm up to Mrs Kerry.

"Shove it!" I couldn't have put it better myself. Shove it media whores.

[johnfunk]

47. FACT CHECK: Target of Teresa's wrath NOT a reporter...

... but an editorial writer for a right wing paper in Pittsburgh paper owned by paranoid neo-fascist alcoholic billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife.

That's right, media fans -- the Scaife butt-boy was no journalist but an opinion page propagandist -- a low-rent version of Jim Taranto!

Shove it, Scaife. Shove it three feet up your anti-American, Goebbels-loving, heartland-America-hating sphincter, you drunken brownshirt!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

58. AMEN BROTHER

!!!

[John_H]

48. This story is a direct result of the speech-vetting practice

which gives the whores an opportunity to call"hypicrisy" every time somebody loses his or her temper.

[Rockholm]

49. Thank You Big Media.....

For showing this exchange OVER and OVER!!!!! So far this morning, I have seen it EIGHT times. You asshats barely, and I mean BARELY if at all, covered Cheney and his Go Fuck Yourself on the Senate floor. You can say this about Faux..At least you know where they stand. They hate America, Freedom, and the Democratic Party and ALL Democrats. CNN, MSRNC and ABC, NBC and to some extent CBS all attempt to be non-partisan (and FAIL).

[beachday]

50. I hope he did!

Synchronicity!!!! Passages below from the article listed at the following website address.

http://www.astroworld.us/archives/000404.html#000404

Here is someone who doesn’t suffer fools gladly. I think its refreshing in the sense that she has such a strong sense of self that she can’t be intimidated by having her every word, gesture, line of thought and article of clothing scrutinized. It’s hard to be in the spotlight and you need to develop a very strong identity to withstand the pressure. This I believe Teresa Heinz Kerry has in abundance........

Surely this is symbolic of the media focus that will fall on her and how the media and society at large will invest themselves emblematically into THK in the very likely event she becomes America’s First Lady. The Lilith Motif, the ambitious devouring she-devil, the ogress, is the fate that befalls many independent women. Lesser mortals or just plain stupid people tend to think of a strong fascinating intelligent woman with a vigorous sense of self with symbols from the bad old medieval days; with witchcrafty femme fatales leading men by the nose, bewitching them, etc. etc. etc. Sadly, our culture, in regards to the figurative treatment of women in the collective unconsciousness of our society, has not proceeded from the golden days of the witchcraft trials as much as we would like to think.

Let’s stay straight to the course and hope this doesn’t occur, no matter how outspoken she is. After all, if you ask me, Lilith got the better deal in the Bible, much more so than poor Eve.

[nolabels]

52. "Why are we honoring this man? Have we run out of human beings?"

Famous Insults

"We've been through so much together, and most of it was your fault."
Ashleigh Brilliant

"Why don't you bore a hole in yourself and let the sap run out?"
Groucho Marx

"Well, I think we ought to let him hang there. Let him twist slowly, slowly in the wind."
John Ehrlichman

"What you said hurt me very much. I cried all the way to the bank."
Liberace

"Why are we honoring this man? Have we run out of human beings?"
Milton Berle

"You're a parasite for sore eyes."
Gregory Ratoff

"Some people stay longer in an hour than others can in a week."
William Dean Howells

"Either he's dead or my watch has stopped."
Groucho Marx

"Sometimes I need what only you can provide: your absence."
Ashleigh Brilliant

"The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of its behind."
Joseph Stilwell

"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."
Groucho Marx

"There's nothing wrong with you that reincarnation won't cure."
Jack E. Leonard

"They don't hardly make 'em like him any more - but just to be on the safe side, he should be castrated anyway."
Hunter S. Thompson

"I'll bet your father spent the first year of your life throwing rocks at the stork."
Irving Brecher

"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it."
Groucho Marx

"You're a good example of why some animals eat their young."
Jim Samuels

"I've just learned about his illness. Let's hope it's nothing trivial."
Irvin S. Cobb
(snip)
"He knows nothing and thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career."
George Bernard Shaw

"He knows so little and knows it so fluently."
Ellen Glasgow

"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him."
Forrest Tucker

"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot."
Groucho Marx
(snip)

http://mindyourownbusiness.com/famous_insults.htm

[meow2u3]

57. I have a creative insult of my own

plus a few more

Said to fascists--There are two sides to every story: your side and the truth.
--fed2dneck

When they give you a colonoscopy, they found a brain. Unfortunately, it could only be seen through a microscope

[nolabels]

64. Like "Stick it where the the sun don't shine, you Nazi PInko"

Did double take on my son the other day, one of the older computers on our little home network was taking up all the bandwidth on the DSL and crashed his game. He came out of his room and called it a "Nazi machine". I quizzed him on what he was talking about and after a bit I had figured out he is now substituting the idea and verbiage of a hog or pig with "Nazi"

[colonel odis]

53. they absolutely hate strong, intelligent, opinionated women.

as first lady, mrs. heinz kerry will have them all shitting their pants.

[americanwomanone]

56. Amen To That!

Some men are just so intimidated by a strong woman this is exactly what will happen, what you said. I KNEW there was a good reason I liked her!

[progressivebydesign]

59. The GOP has NO leg to stand on.. after Mr. Fuck Yourself Cheney's display!

The one for which he refuses to apologize! I LOOOVE how they make this a big deal, but Dick's outburst (from a candidate and the VP, no less) is treated like "just blowing off steam". I LOVE the fact that we won't be getting a Stepford Wife for a 1st lady.. what a refreshing change from the lady from Pleasantville, Mrs. Bush.

[BearFlagDemocrat]

60. Hey...

Save it for the Senate floor, lady!

;)

[KurtNYC]

61. You can tell him also....

Here is the comment page:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/conventionalwisdom/show_comments.php?entry_id=23#comments

[everythingsxen]

63. What I find so fascinating about this story....

is the DU reply to it.

With zombie-like precision, almost everyone in this thread has said:

"You go girl" and/or "At least she didn't say 'go fuck yourself'!".

I am sorry folks. You can repeat the mantra all you like, but I watched the video. She said un-American, the "reporter" asked her what she meant by 'un-American', she denied that she said 'un-American'; That seems pretty clear.

Sure he was trying to bait her and get her to say something to say out of context, and he succeeded, since now we have her on tape saying that she didn't say something that she obviously just said moments before. We also have her saying "shove-it" on camera.

I find this disappointing, especally here at DU, where every day we rag on the Freepers for doing this same kind of crap with their icons.

[funkybutt]

71. well i AM glad she didn't say "go f*ck yourself"

but i don't think it was very professional and actually quite thoughtless considerring she HAD to have known the freeps would grab this and run with it. I personally wish she had not said it. Also I don't like to see her contraticting herself like that...makes her look bad. I respect that she is human and has a reputation for speaking her mind, which i also respect but these are tough times and everyone needs to be on their toes. She would have been better off not saying anything at all. We don't need to give them any ammo, no matter how irrelevant or unimportant it may seem.

[Almost_there]

75. I agree...

She should have just let the comment go, and done some simple mea culpa. The real thing is the headline and the byline, "Teresa says shove it" to reporters talking about bringing back a more civil tone in politics. She literally got caught in a do as I say not as I do. I totally think what Cheney said was pathetic, what Bush said about the a$$hole was pathetic, but, I also think this was pathetic.

Politicians have to know simply that every word, gesture, and look they make is recorded, and they have to watch what they say. If we on this thread can bash the goons for saying things, well, what's good for the goose MUST be good for the gander, and that's the end. I don't think this will go anywhere except on right wing nut shows.. wow, as I wrote that, I just heard on CNN, 2nd story about this. Perhaps its bigger than I had hoped. Well, I think this will be a lesson to her to not call a kettle black.

~Almost

[Media_Lies_Daily]

95. Wrong. That turd from the Scaife-owned media outlet was stalking her....

...and she let the guy know what she thought.

Teresa was addressing the tone of the overall political discourse, not how to properly deal with stalking "newsmen".

I applaud her response, as restrained as it was.

[GOPFighter]

77. I'm still not upset she said it

I am just sick and tired of taking crap from the overtly biased media types. I think it's time we fight back with real anger. People respect real feelings, especially since it's so rare in politicians. When I think of how many times the average American has wanted to yell "Shove It!" to a reporter I hardly think this will hurt Kerry.

[Pachamama]

78. Sorry, but he was baiting her & the shove it was in reference to much more

She was great...frankly, I commend her on "holding back"...I would have said much more...

I think your comparison of people on the DU's comments and comparing it to activities of the Freepers on their icons is way way off....

I think she will be a fantastic 1st lady...much better than a Stepford Wife...

[Swamp Rat]

104. Damn! You beat me to it!

I was going through this thread looking for a spot to mention that she ain't no Stepford wife. So many times I am getting ready to post something and lo and behold, Pachamama says EXACTLY what I am thinking. Teresa WILL be an excellent 1st lady! I would LOVE to hear her cuss out one of those Nazi propagandists in Portuguese.

edit: I can't spell right in ANY language

[Pachamama]

127. Great minds think a like....

Okay, Swamp Rodent, wherever you are, you are one post away from getting your DU 1000th post....Oh, lets celebrate!

[nolabels]

79. Frankly I think it is a good thing

As a person that has also been on the bad deal of others twisting my ideas and words around and then having to tell them to shove it. Sounded like a normal individual giving an apropriate response. The proper recourse for people who think of you as animal is treating them in kind.

We will not be the ones making a big deal out of this, the Nazi followers will. If i might be as bold to predict, the chutzpah will backfire on them and we will all be laughing at all these kind of things in about a year from now.

[SemperEadem]

91. then be disappointed.

"I am sorry folks. You can repeat the mantra all you like, but I watched the video. She said un-American, the "reporter" asked her what she meant by 'un-American', she denied that she said 'un-American'; That seems pretty clear. "

Seeing that we dont' get to see the raw tape, we don't know at what point the photog started rolling tape--we don't get to hear how either the rag-writer was able to get Heinz-Kerry to elicit the response they're looking for or how the photog was curiously in the 'right place at the right time with the camera rolling'--how convenient!!!! That part was left out for their RW purposes.

Reporters are professionally trained to "corral" a conversation--to get the interviewee to say what they want them to say to fit their agendas. All we know is what was edited and released for broadcast---we have no way of knowing what went on before or what went on after they got that bite on tape.

She may have indeed said that---but I am pretty sure that she didn't mean it or intend it the way in which this rag-writer was wanting to spin it, hence her frustration. So I do believe her when she said "I didn't say that..." because what she probably meant to say was "I didn't say that the way in which you're insisting upon taking it and spinning it."

[JVS]

93. I have to agree with you on this

A few important rules for people public speaking.


If you say something be ready to back it up.

Even if you think that a reporter is treating you unfairly, it is unwise to lose your cool.

Hurling insults does not demonstrate intelligence.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

96. How can you possibly insult anyone that works for a Scaife-owned....

...publication? They obviously have no self-esteem anyway. And where was the alleged insult of which you speak? If she had told the guy to "Go fuck yourself", that would have been crossing the line IMHO.

At what point is a reporter supposed to accept the answer that he was repeatedly given, and at what point does "following around" become stalking?

I'm glad she said what she did...I hope she continues the good work.

[JVS]

101. Most people don't give a rat's ass about the journalist

That's the crux of the problem. Have you ever heard the phrase "Don't argue with an idiot, people might not be able to tell the difference"? She let herself go down to the journalist's level.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

94. The transcript indicates that she said "un-American traits"....

...why have you chosen to deliberately misrepresent the facts?

Additionally, the guy was from a medial outlet owned by Richard Mellon Scaife, a name best remembered as being the funder of the "Arkansas Project".

And you're trying to blame this on DU posters??

Personally, I find your response VERY disappointing.

[everythingsxen]

102. DOUBLE POST - DELETE ME!!

THIS SPACE FOR RENT.

[everythingsxen]

103. Thank you for assuming I am misrepresenting facts

I am well aware she says "un-American traits". But hey.. whats that first word... oh thats right... it's un-American. The exact word moments later she denied saying.

Who cares what paper he works for? Does it really matter? Does someone who's opinion you disagree with not count and are not entitled to their 1st Amendment right?

Did I say I blamed anything on DU posters? Other than my disappointment with the way that 90% of our community here is repeating, zombie-like, the same meme over and over about "you go girl" and "at least she didn't say go fuck yourself like Chaney!".

As I read more and more of your posts MLD, I begin to question if you realize that the 1st Amendment doesn't just give you the right to say what you want, it also gives people with other opinions the right to speak. Neither you nor I may agree with many of those opinions, however we should agree that they have the right to have those opinions.

[customerserviceguy]

108. I agree

It wasn't her language that was the problem, it was the direct contradiction of her speech, and her remarks. If she had spoken about ANYTHING else, then said either shove it, or fuck you, it wouldn't have been half the story that it is. The news media goes after hypocracy more than anything else. That's why the Cheney story was only a few days, Cheney doesn't come across half as religious as Bush does. If Bush had said it to Leahy, it would have been a much bigger story.

Yes, I know, the reporter is a scumbucket, but the "honor among thieves" camraderie of the news media compels them to treat him seriously. He was asking her about the use of the phrase "un-American", and while I know some here are too young to remember it, Eugene McCarthy's witch-hunt platform in the 50's was called "The House Committee on un-American Activities." If Teresa were a sixty-something who had been raised in this country, she would have known that instinctively, and would have realized that the word "un-American" is quite a loaded phrase. It was a legitimate question, becuase political fighting and feuding has a long, if not honorable, tradition in this country.

For her to deny that she used the phrase a few minutes would have been bad enough, but could be waived off as a mere mistake. The tape clearly shows that she sought this guy out, brushing past others once she found out where he worked, to diss him for past misdeeds. It was unfortunate to see her use the "Shove it" phrase so quickly after giving a speech about being nice.

Another thing that might have played into it was a lack of cultural understanding about what that phrase meant. I got a sense of this a dozen years ago when Arnold Schwartzenegger used the phrase "ballsy" to describe his Hummer to Jay Leno. It didn't get bleeped, but it did make Jay squirm a bit, and it was clear that Arnold did not understand the full significance of the word to an American audience. I had the same experience with a Yugoslavian exchange student who used the word "prick" at the dinner table to describe someone who was a "jerk". We explained to him that we weren't offended by the word, but we explained the more common use of the word, and strongly suggested that he not use it in class! He wanted to shrink his 6'4" frame under the table!

In any case, John Kerry did NOT need this at this time. No, First Ladies, and potential ones need not be always seen in white gloves, ready for high tea, but they need to show a modicum of "decorum" under certain circumstances. This might just have been one of those times.

If it doesn't happen again, no problem in the long run. But, just like everyone waited for Dan Quayle to grab another piece of chalk for a spelling lesson, the press will be waiting for the next misstep.

[JulieS]

112. Agree she was wrong

Sorry, as much as I admire Teresa, I just can't side with her on this one.
1. She used the term "un-American," and then denied it when the reporter questioned her. Embarrassing.
2. Lost her cool and replied rudely and profanely. Yuck.
3. Said it after making a speech about civility in political discourse. Ironic and stupid.
4. Lost the Democrats the moral high ground on the Cheney f-bomb. Poor politics. We can never slam him again for his arrogance and rudeness, because they'll just point out Teresa's.
5. Provided the Republicans a negative front-page story just as the convention opens. What in the world was she thinking???

I agree that everyone wants to applaud Teresa's standing up to a right-wing jerk, but she should have kept herself in check. The stakes are too high, and there's no excuse for a profane reply, no matter who was asking the questions. We certainly wouldn't applaud it if Lynne Cheney had said it.

[wicket]

69. At least she didn't pull a Cheney

But somehow I bet the right will be all over this unlike with Cheney's comment. :eyes:

[regnaD kciN]

130. Of course they will...

...because Cheney saying "go fuck yourself" is simply an example of a tough man being abrupt. Besides, we all know males talk like that. But for a lady to use uncouth language...why, civilization itself will crumble if we allow such a woman in the White House!

:eyes:

[lil-petunia]

72. who cares? Sludge? whoopee

The real news is what will be said on stage, not to some rumormonger gnuspaper or their internet clone.

This is not even worth a thread of our time. Many more important things to discuss and plan out.

[lancdem]

85. Her speech at the convention will overshadow this

BTW, everyone has a misstep at some point. You live and learn. Remember Hillary's cookies and teas comment in '92?

[Freddie Stubbs]

74. She should have given the answer that Governor Rendell gave

rather than denying that she said what she obviously said.

[lil-petunia]

100. Of course it will. Because she is a smart cookie.

and I look forward to seeing it.

Faux gnus is beside itself - a g a i n - with the latest poll numbers. interesting how they try to bring in a wife's comments to try to dilute the bad news.

I am beginning to enjoy this week.

[JDPriestly]

76. Hoorah! Teresa Heinz Kerry

is a liberated woman. Good for her. I'm just a few years younger than she is, and I know how she and we other women of our forgotten generation struggled with ourselves to live in what we were taught to think of as "a man's world."

When the press attacks Teresa, they are attacking all the women in our society who have had to face the hard knocks of life alone without a husband and who work in a world that respects women only if they are tough. I have noticed that most of the women who really get ahead in the world swear like troopers when they're mad. It's about time the image of women in the press catches up with reality. Laura Bush is an anachronism.

[skygazer]

80. Interesting responses

I find it interesting that the majority of responses are so positive. I love Theresa Heinz Kerry and I realize her response was one of frustration. I also realize that the paper in question is what many of you have characterized as a "conservative rag." But I wish she hadn't said it and I can't see anything good coming from it. Behaving like the boorish Bushies is not, in my opinion, the way to win this election and that is what we need to do. Certainly, it can't compare with Dick Cheney's eloquence on the Senate floor but you know darn well what kind of spin the media will put on it (they already have). How is this good?

[SemperEadem]

92. God would elicit the same response if he was blindsided with crap

I'm glad that she's human enough to still be stunned with incredulousness when someone is obviously attempting to instigate a non sequitur just to fit a psychotic agenda.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

98. The paper in question is owned by Richard Mellon Scaife....

...remember that name? Think of the "Arkansas Project".

[vickie]

81. WAY TO GO TERESA...

you fabulously intelligent, elegant, witty charming woman. Don't take any garbage sense from these sanctimonious clowns!

[Pachamama]

82. Role Model for my Daughters

WOW! How refreshing! A political candidates wife who does more than "look pretty and smiles" and who is smart and outspoken and doesn't take any crap ....I look forward to having her be my two daughter's role model...I'd certainly prefer that my daughter's see that response to the media than the recent "tongue" out to media from the Bush Twin Jenna...now that should have been something for the media to "wag their tongue about".

[davidinalameda]

83. I like this woman!

you go girl!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

84. Good for her!!!!

[Tight_rope]

89. If Dick can say "Go Fuck Yourself"....Then I see nothing wrong with this!

[StatBabe]

99. Tight_rope...

I LOVE the contrast! Cheney drops an F-bomb when he gets pissed. Teresa carefully thinks about what she is doing, asks this jerk if he is from the Tribune-Review that has consistently misrepresented EVERYTHING that she says, and then lets loose with, "Shove It!" She was very cool, calm, and collected, if you ask me!

[w4rma]

.

[w4rma]

97. She should do this more often. This is probably the most prominant story

that any of Scaife's rags have published about her or Kerry.

Free press in a rag that would have otherwise regulated her and Kerry to the backpages (while Bush is prominantly on the front ones).

[Reciprocity]

105. Reminds me of when Chaney told Leahy "go f--- yourself."

Jenna Bush Sticks Tongue Out at Media
Wednesday, July 21, 2004
AP

WASHINGTON — When first lady Laura Bush counseled her twin daughters on how to behave while campaigning with their father, she may have skipped the part about not sticking your tongue out at the media.
That's what Jenna Bush (did Tuesday after President Bush arrived at St. Louis' Lambert International Airport.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126403,00.html

[customerserviceguy]

114. Nice pic of Jenna Bush

But she's a spoiled brat 21 year old. I don't think Teresa has quite the same excuse. Or, shouldn't.

[struggle4progress]

106. Oh! Gasp! eom

[stickdog]

109. She's obviously a Cheneying hypocrite!

[yardwork]

111. I wrote to several media outlets and complained about their choice

to cover this as their top story, instead of stories like the torture of children in Abu Ghraib. I imagine I was dropping my comments into a black hole, but at least I tried.

[nolabels]

113. "The torture of children in Abu Ghraib"

'It's The War, Stupid!'


BOSTON, July 25, 2004

(snip)
And in the age of tight elections and third-party threats, the sentiments of anti-war voters may not be so easily dismissed, particularly in two of the states represented at Sunday's march: Maine and New Hampshire.

"I'd bring the troops home now," said Galloway of Kerry. "I would like for him to change his views and bring the troop home."

But she added: "If I have a choice between Bush and Kerry, I'm absolutely going to vote for Kerry." She stresses, though, "it's a vote against Bush, not a vote for anybody."
(snip)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/25/politics/main631672.shtml
http://www.antiwar.com/

[glitch]

115. I wish she would've said 'SPIN ON IT' it's appropriate for media whores

and my personal fav. Plus I'd love to see them repeat it ad nauseum.

[enki23]

118. she was wrong and she looked very bad

that was just plain stupid, a very bad kind of stupid. this will be the new "dean scream." the national media will play this over, and over, and over again. hillary clinton's speech will be introduced with "shove it." so will bill's.

first, a hostile-seeming teresa heinz kerry saying "shove it" to a reporter who asked her a fair question about what she really *did* say... then cut to some major speaker going into a speech about "dignity" or "optimism" or something about "bridging the partisan divide." then cut to commercial, followed by "shove it."

it's going to be motherfucking ugly. it already is.

[jdj]

123. calm down, sweetheart.

everyone already knows democratic women are castrating bitches, I think the whole nation is bored with the Hilary redux. I'm not sure the reporter was asking her a fair question. I haven't seen the tape, but I'd say she was probably baited.

And she was talking to delegates, asking them to be civil. After what the media did to Clinton and how it has given Bush a pass, everyone, including Heinz Kerry, knows the media can't come within 5 miles of civil.

[steely]

124. McNickle-head's a dolt.

Teresa did what comes naturally when dealing with reporter wannabe's who harp on taking things out of context.

[davidwhite0570]

125. How do you post a pix?

[fortyfeetunder]

126. After hearing *'s "major league a-hole" comment

Think Teresa was only being kind.

[Buzz_Killer]

132. Pretty scary...

I pray that this is not a sign of the early onset of Alzheimers... she can't remember what she said a few minutes ago??? Yikes...

[Longhorn]

133. She explained it this morning on the Today Show.

She was disagreeing with him over the fact that he claimed she said "un-American activities" and she said "un-American traits." She felt that her comments were going to be misconstrued and she was trying to correct it. And she makes no apologies for telling him to "shove it."

[Buzz_Killer]

134. Thanks for clearing that up for me...

She was straightening him out when she thought the reporter thought she said something she didn't really say but he asked her what she meant by what she didn't say so she was responding to what she thought he might want to say if she said what he didn't really hear her say...

[Longhorn]

135. LOL! You got it! n/t

[wish_I_could_vote]

136. God, finally someone said it !

Way back in this thread someone pointed out that Teresa had said "unAmerican traits" and was accused of saying "unAmerican activities". And then it seemed not to come up again until just now. For anyone her age, or anyone who know history, the words "unAmerican activities" have a completely different connotation. She was absolutely right to take offense, and right to call him out. This should be the absolute focus of the story. That she was misquoted in a particularly damning way and she had the wits to notice on the spot and was justifiably furious.

[JDPriestly]

138. Teresa Heinz Kerry

is an ex-Republican. She is used to being able to say what she thinks without the press criticizing her every word. No matter how the press spins this, people will see that there is a connection between Teresa's emotions and her words and actions. That is honesty. We all respect that.

We Democrats should learn from her. In the past, we have set a trap for ourselves. We have portrayed ourselves as the "nice guys" who never offend anyone, especially not the press. True, we are a lot nicer than the Republicans regarding the important things. We don't do dirty tricks for example. But, we shouldn't be nice to people who provoke us. It's dishonest and it doesn't get respect. Nobody feels nice to someone who is deliberately provoking them. Everybody knows that. That is why Teresa was right to respond as she did. She'll get teased and criticized for a while, but ultimately people will respect and like her. She is authentic.

[Ricardo de Buffalo]

139. Are we voting for spouses?

I find it funny this obsession with the candidates spouses. Having a partner in life is a complicate matter, sharing your mate with the world can be trouble. Why should we put Teresa in the spotlight? The candidate, his ideas and attitudes is what matters. Not necessarily his family. But, I know, it is hard, almost impossible to keep full-time network coverage away from anything that may fill air time. So Teresa is fair game. But why would she want to be so outspoken? It is John, and not she, that sit behind the desk in the oval office and, if he is to be a good president, John Kerry should consider his wife's opinions but follow his advisor's.

That said, I understand the reporter trying trying to slice and dice her "un-american traits" comment, for whatever it is worth, but do not understand the lack of smarts and rudeness of using vulgar language on camera. She should know better, she is not dealing with a obedient corporate boardroom. And since she is not the one running for office, the better policy for Teresa, whom I like as person, is to shut up and not cause trouble for the candidate.

[Bridget Burke]

142. Do you have issues with strong women?

Your profile shows your Hobby as "she won't let me have one".

"We" didn't put Teresa in the spotlight. The media did. She gave a short answer to a minion of Scaife who was continuing to annoy her.

Would you prefer she shut up & take her Xanax like poor Pickles?

[lakemonster11]

141. definition of "shove it"?

Is it just me, or is "shove it," in the context Teresa Heinz Kerry used it, most likely meant to have been interpreted as www.probertencyclopedia.com defines it---that is, "desist from a course of action"?

I'm not saying that it's not somewhat rough-and-tumble language, and I'm not denying that those same words can be meant, as defined in some other online slang dictionaries, as shorthand for "shove it up your ass," placing it a bit closer to Cheney's "F--- you" comment.

But I do want to argue that, even if the "desist from a course of action" meaning evolved out of the "shove it up your ass" meaning, Teresa Heinz Kerry did not necessarily mean for it to have those connotations. I mean, every day people say that people or things "suck," without intending (or often even being aware of) any sexual undertones.

All in all, I think that Teresa Heinz Kerry, an honest and impassioned speaker, did not "blow up" at that "reporter," nor did she "lose her cool." I think that, like many other women have learned to do, she used a slightly harsher language and tone of voice to get rid of a man who continued to harass her despite being politely asked to leave her alone.

It goes without saying that, with the media in the mood it's in, she might have chosen her words more carefully, but, all in all, I think there is no way her "outburst" compares with Cheney's "F--- you." That was a curse-out, plain and simple.