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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:00 AM
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Sullen, Depressed President Retreats Into Private, Paranoid World
By TERESA HAMPTON & WILLIAM D. McTAVISH
Capitol Hill Blue Staff
Jul 29, 2004, 09:08



A sullen President George W. Bush is withdrawing more and more from aides and senior staff, retreating into a private, paranoid world where only the ardent loyalists are welcome.

Cabinet officials, senior White House aides and leaders on Capitol Hill complain privately about the increasing lack of “face time” with the President and campaign advisors are worried the depressed President may not be up to the rigors of a tough re-election campaign.

“Yes, there are concerns,” a top Republican political advisor admitted privately Wednesday. “The George W. Bush we see today is not the same, gregarious, back-slapping President of old. He’s moody, distrustful and withdrawn.”


Bush Walks Alone
Bush’s erratic behavior and sharp mood swings led White House physician Col. Richard J. Tubb to put the President on powerful anti-depressant drugs after he stormed off stage rather than answer reporters' questions about his relationship with indicted Enron executive Richard J. Lay, but White House insiders say the strong, prescription medications seem to increase Bush’s sullen behavior towards those around him.

“This is a President known for his ability to charm people one-on-one,” says a staff member to House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert. “Not any more.”

more
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4930.shtml

well they decided to do a follow-up
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:04 AM
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1. Does anybody have a notion about how reliable CHB is?
This series of stories they've been doing is quite a big deal, assuming it's for real.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:06 AM
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2. C-Span quotes from CHB from time to time...
but then they quote the Washington Times too, so.... :shrug:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:08 AM
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6. a grain would help but


it's worth repeating.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:27 AM
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16. I love that picture
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:35 PM
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63. My daughter made a button using the Morton Salt image
I wish I could post it here (a picture, that is) I will try to give you an idea:

INSANITY

When it Reigns
It Pours
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lottie244 Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 05:03 PM
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82. True or not, with the blood of at least 908 US military and thousands of
civilian Iraqis on his hands and the hands of this sorrid administration, they should all be sullen and depressed. I say this fairly because this invasion of Iraq was a war of choice not a war of necessity. It was an invasion of a sovereign nation that had no intention of attacking the US. No intention and no means to attack. It is historically shameful and even more shameful that so many many citizens of the US refuse to speak out and call it like it is.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:07 AM
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3. I wonder what anti-depressant, sounds like he needs an anti-psychotic.
Sounds like someone Kerry could easily pick off in a debate. I hope Kerry aims for jugular,Gets him to implode on himself, sends him on a triad.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:26 AM
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15. When the time was drawing near in 2000 to debate Gore
there were a lot of noises as if he might simply NOT debate Gore at all.

Remember when he decided he just might like to have the debate on the LARRY KING SHOW? Oh, God, was that stupid.

I think there had been several planned originally, and he got it scaled down to a Larry King "debate" (I think.....) and maybe two "normal" debates? It's been so long.

It also was arranged that they pitched really simple, childish questions to Bush and were openly hostile to Gore, as in cutting him off, etc.

I think you've hit it squarely on the head: he's probably starting to choke up about debating Kerry, knows he can't and is scared about what the public's reaction will be when they try to get out of it!

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:09 PM
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52. Kerry needs to go in HARD!
Shame he isn't debating Edwards.

Kerry needs to poke, gouge and do everything possible to provoke Bush into a meltdown. He needs to check Bush out for an earpiece and if one is present ask him about it PUBLICLY.

Best case scenario, Bush physcailly attacks Kerry.

That's the type of provocation I am talking about.
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NuckinFutz Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:07 AM
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4. I've read a few articles from this source
in the past. While I don't totally discount what I've read, I'm curious about their credibility. Does anybody have the scoop on Capitol Hill Blue?
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:07 AM
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5. Let's act like Repugs for once...
... who cares if it's true? Repeat it anyway!
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:09 AM
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8. I second that
let the freepers have a taste of their own medecine.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:53 AM
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29. That's just plain un-American
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leeman67 Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:08 AM
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7. not reliable...
as believable as this is (and personally, I think it is probably true), Capital Hill Blue is about as reliable as the Weekly World News and the Drudge Report.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:11 PM
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55. Like Drudge?
Then that means every reporter in the country should be parroting this story.
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Der_Alte Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:55 PM
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92. reliable?
sounds too good to be true. the facists circulating a story that our wonderful leader is ailing & is need of our extreme sympathy, not to mention votes.

If he's really down, he can always go back to the old ranch, clear some brush, eat some pretzels & be good as new in no time a'tall.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 10:10 PM
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94. Yea I got some sympathy for him




:hi:Der_Alte
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:09 AM
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9. "He’s moody, distrustful and withdrawn.”
Sounds like Nixon in the final days

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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:49 PM
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47. Sounds like Saddam in the final days.
Least CHB could do was get Kenny Boy's name right.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:09 AM
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10. CHB isn't all that reliable
but they used to lean far right during the Clinton years....

Interesting. Who's going to be the first legitimate news source to ask about this out loud?
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:09 AM
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11. I can believe it but to convince anyone else, it would take a more ...
mainstream source.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:11 AM
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12. "Enron executive Richard J. Lay"???
If they get something this basic incorrect, how can they be trusted to get anything right?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:12 AM
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13. A little info on Teresa Hampton...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4684.shtml

Hampton, 44, assumes the editorship immediately and becomes responsible for the day-to-day operations of the web site. The St. Louis native is a long-time contributor to CHB and co-authored the award-winning All the President's Women series about the sexual misadventures of former President Bill Clinton.

"Terry Hampton brings both experience and a long-time newswoman's sense of balance to the helm of Blue," Thompson said in announcing the appointment.

Hampton, a graduate of Southern Illinois University, began her career in journalism with alternative weeklies in the St. Louis area, then joined the St. Louis Globe-Democrat before moving on the the Washington Evening Star. After the Star ceased publication, she free-lanced for newspapers and wire services and later for political news sites like Politics USA and Politics Now. She started contributing to Capitol Hill Blue in 1995. Most recently, she co-authored a series of stories on abuses by the Defense Advanced Projects Research Agency's Total Information Awareness System, a program that spys on Americans 24/7.

"Like Blue, Terry marches to no political drum and does not let ideology get in the way of her reporting," Thompson said. "She believes, as we do, that our only goal is to follow the story, wherever it leads."

Hampton says she plans to add more writing talent to the web site.


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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:40 AM
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20. This is a helluva find, leftchick. Thanks.
This reinforces my sense that the Shrub depression story is accurate.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:51 AM
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28. Ashcroft is the real power...be very, very afraid
“Too many make the mistake of thinking Dick Cheney is the real power in the Bush administration,” says one senior Homeland Security aide. “They’re wrong. It’s Ashcroft and that is reason enough for all of us to be very, very afraid.”

:scared:
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:12 AM
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14. Last week Bush was describing how a rainbow communicated with him
He describes a moment in a speech in Rumania when a rainbow appeared in the sky and says it was "a very powerful message"..."a powerful message being delivered by nature". He calls it "one of the most moving experiences" of his Presidency. With all that has occurred in the past 3 and a half years, it seems strange for Bush to focus on this as one of his most moving experiences and might just be another manifestation of his private world of emotions into which he's retreated. It seems like his emotions are a little off track. Maybe he's suppressing anger through drugs and it's taking an emotional toll.


"I'll never forget my trip to Bucharest at the «rainbow speech». It was one of the most moving experiences of my Presidency. And the reason why was that the rainbow itself, that appeared in the midst of a rainstorm in front of 200-plus-thousand people ended right behind … the place where the tyrant, Ceausescu, gave his last speech. It was a very powerful message. It moved me deeply during the moment. And it still moves me to think that there was a powerful message being delivered by nature, to the point where I remember turning back to the people of Romania and said, «God is smiling on Bucharest»."-- US President George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., July 21, 2004
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:28 AM
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17. God speaks through him, and rainbows communicate to him
He does seem to be becoming unhinged. For all we know, God may have been recommending Skittles to the crowd.
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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:36 PM
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77. I had this same discussion with a coworker today!
She has no problem with Shrub "talking with God" and she characterized it as practicing his faith. I agreed that there was no problem with Shrub talking to, or praying to God.

I indicated that what troubles me is Shrub's belief that God talks back to him. She said that God may very well "answer his prayers."

I countered "not verbally." I then added that if Shrub believes that God actually speaks to him, that is not an indication of faith, but rather, a delusion and a symptom of psychosis and schizophrenia.
Either that, or Cheney has the Whitehouse bedroom wired with a hidden loudspeaker, and he's pulling one over on Shrub.

My co-worker reluctantly agreed!
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:06 AM
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100. I challenge the notion
He may believe God is talking to him or he is talking to God, but the way he believes is not reflective of a man who talks or listens to God.

Consider how he treated Carla Fay Tucker, or how he has treated the families of 911 victims, or the campassion he has shown the military and the families of military dead. That behavior is not the behavior of a man full of faith.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:43 AM
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22. What he really meant here was,
"God is smiling on Me", rather than on Bucharest. Bush is just searching for signs to justify everything he's done. The kind of things that happen in cartoons. Or commercials.

Like the Little Green leprechaun from Lucky Charms who sits with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Of course, we all know it's yummy cereal with delicious marshmallow bits. But the rainbow adds credence to the whole thing.

You can find little "hints" all the time, if you really look hard enough. Like a bird flying across the sky, a shaft of bright light coming down through a cloud, some clouds that appear to have a face that's smiling and approving of him.

I'd say the guy is delusional. Is he unique in this aspect, or do we have other presidents who have behaved this way?
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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:34 PM
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43. The souls of the dead are haunting him....
All those he has sent to a needless death are now around him. hes losing it.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:40 PM
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67. frosted lucky charms, they're magically delicious!
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:06 PM
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35. More on Talking Rainbow?
What was the occassion that provoked this statement from Bush?

I'd really like to find a White House link.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:29 PM
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40. SCARY!
I hadn't heard abut bush communing with the rainbow
(now maybe we know why he wore the psychedelic tie!)
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:31 PM
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60. The thing that rings true is the bit about Rumsfeld..
..he has vanished from sight. Where did he go? Have we seen any photos in the past few months of Bush holding meetings? Have we seen him with anyone but his daughters lately???? I haven't. I think it was around the time of his testimony to the 9/11 Commission.. that was the last time he seemed to be in the outer world. ALSO.. I find it so fascinating that HE is the only world leader NOT going to the Olympics, instead sending his family and parents. He's pissed because he was forced to be a president after 9/11. The fear in his eyes that morning in the classroom, was real.. it was the face of a man who was promised that this president gig would be a cake-walk. He laughed his way thru the first 8 months, then he was called upon to be a real president. I still can't seem to reconcile his foul mouth and personal attacks with his supposed deeply religious beliefs.

To be honest, perhaps it all makes sense. I have known people in my life who were deeply disturbed.. they jumped from alcoholism, cult-like religion, sex-addictions, health food nut, etc., it's a personality type that seeks to self-medicate. He appears to have that problem.

CHB was usually considered to be right-leaning. I found their take on the entire Tenet thing to be plausible. AND.. they were the first to report that the Tenet resignation was total schock to Bush's inner circle, being told after the fact.. and it turned out to be true.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:34 PM
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74. yes, people like that have a hard time doing anything long term
they lose interest quickly when things become less than easy. especially if anyone disagrees with them too much. Members in my family have the same traits as bush.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 05:49 PM
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85. He attended Urban League Convention I wonder
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 05:49 PM by goclark
if people there noticed anything odd.

I wonder how long he stayed and who he talked to other than Jesse.

I read that Jesse asked to make an appointment to talk about the Black Votes in Florida. He told Jesse to,"speak to Karl."
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DemMother Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:33 AM
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This story seems to be a stretch, but I think there is probably
a grain of truth in it. John Dean was saying some of the same thongs--not about the sullenness and paranoia, but about how this White House was more like Nixon's WH. I think it's clear they do demand loyalty above all other traits, and that there is a paranoid streak that runs through a lot of what they do. I also believe Bush is insulated/isolated from almost everyone outside his innermost circle. Chuck Hagel, a Republican, was complaining about not meeting with him for a couple of years.

I worked in an administration that became an extremely paranoid operation--starting from the top with the mayor. There were a lot of crazy rumors floating around, most of them not true and born of the paranoia that was infecting everyone. But the core of the problem was a mayor who didn't trust anyone but the bodyguards and a couple of top advisors, and in the end made all of us nuts with suspicion and uncertainty.
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OK_DemX2 Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:14 PM
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38. Recovering addicts are notoriously paranoid....
as Bush is a "recovering or dry" alcoholic, that would also explain some of his delusional/paranoid behavior.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:09 PM
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51. 100% in line with everything known about his past and his brain. 100%.
He is a textbook case for mental illness and the job he isn't qualified for exacerbates it. He is a miserable wretch. God help him and the world he affects.

Refer to both the shrink who wrote 'Bush on the Couch' and to this very prominent British shrink's evaluation based on accounts from family and friends:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html
(So George, How Do You Feel About Your Mom and Dad?)

I'm afraid what we're reading in CHB is utterly predictable and totally accurate.
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mrsadm Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:33 AM
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18. Karen Hughes?
I thought she left the administration last year?
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:54 PM
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48. She came back recently for the campaign
after "spending some time with her family". She's still totally star-struck by the little * shrub. Sickening.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:38 AM
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19. I believe it. I also think it will break through into the mainstream soon.
This seems completely, totally plausible. I can not believe the mainstream media will avoid the utterly juicy temptation to pick up on this. It's gonna happen. Bank on it. It's just a question of when and by whom.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:43 AM
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21. Information along these lines has been appearing for some time
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 11:45 AM by amandabeech
at the very controversial website, "TBRNews." Yes, I know, I know. The demerits of TBRnews have been debated here before.

TBR has been featuring a column called "Voice of the White House," allegedly written by a member of the White House press corps. "Voice" has been describing the ultra-religious and paranoid behavior in the White House, and specifically inside the Oval Office. "Voice's" efforts to follow the story are particularly enlightening.

I expect that Ms. Hampton, Mr. McTavish and many of their sources (as well as lots of people who won't admit to it) have read "Voice" and have become emboldened by it.

Anyone interested in the recent CHB pieces should hold his or her nose, and check out "Voice."


http://www.TBRnews.org/

EDIT: grammar
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:58 AM
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33. Thanks for the link amandabeech
"People whose lives are barren and insecure seem to show a greater willingness to obey than people who are self-sufficient and self-confident. To the frustrated, freedom from responsibility is more attractive than freedom from restraint. They are eager to barter their independence for relief of the burdens of willing, deciding and being responsible for inevitable failure. They willingly abdicate the directing of their lives to those who want to plan, command and shoulder all responsibility."
~Eric Hoffer “The True Believer
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:30 PM
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41. You're very welcome, seemslikeadream!
You might want to check out the "Controlling the News" feature as well, if you have the time. It purports to be memos from a mid-level executive at a large media conglomerate. It describes which stories will be killed and which will be promoted, and often why.

I have no independent verification of anything on the TBRnews site, so, as Jane Austen, in Pride and Prejudice, wrote for Mrs. Bennett, "Make of it what you will."
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:58 PM
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75. I went over and had a look at TBR News
and while I think a lot of bad things about George, I don't seem him having sex with black drag queens.

Somebody is moonlighting from his job at the Weekly World News.

D.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:55 PM
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80. Maybe after reading these threads plan9_pub
you might have a slightly different opinion.
George Bush, Pedophiles & The CIA (Bush's UN Speech)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=403198
Conspiracy of Silence...MUST SEE!!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=392459

:hi:
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 05:06 PM
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84. Those assertions give me pause, as well.
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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:18 AM
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109. I doubt any black drag queen would have him.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:44 AM
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23. Sounds sort of like the last days of Joseph Stalin. n/t
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Der_Alte Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:50 PM
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91. Prez shutting down
It's so gloriously wonderful news, one wonders how true it really is. But, it suggests an unpleasant collection of news clips (you can look it up), showing the last days of Hitler, stooped, exhausted looking, trying to buck up some young kids, (probably Hitler youth). But if all this is true, my reaction is let's hammer the bastard some more.

His latest news clip pg 2, local paper yesterday (thx Gannett) 'Bush announces cut in Medicare support for cancer drugs.' He must be pulling out all the stops, a headline like that should galvanize the entire country to his cause.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 10:21 PM
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95. I was swept along again for a moment, in spite of myself


From 1942, the Nazi leader Adolf Hitler received daily injections of methamphetamine from his personal physician, Dr Theodor Morell. Hitler's ailments have been attributed to everything from tertiary syphilis to Parkinson's disease. But many of The Führer's clinical signs and symptoms may have been caused by his exotic drug regimen.

How could Hitler continue to exert such a grip on the German people until the last days of the War? Talking to a prison psychologist while awaiting trial, ex-Governor General of Poland Hans Frank (1900-1946) describes Hitler's charismatic effect on him...

"I can hardly understand it myself. There must be some basic evil in me. In all men. Mass hypnosis? Hitler cultivated this evil in man. When I saw him in that movie in court, I was swept along again for a moment, in spite of myself. Funny, one sits in court feeling guilt and shame. Then Hitler appears on the screen and you want to stretch out your hand to him . . . . It's not with horns on his head or with a forked tail that the devil comes to us, you know. He comes with a captivating smile, spouting idealistic sentiments, winning one's loyalty. We cannot say that Adolf Hitler violated the German people. He seduced us."
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 02:27 AM
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112. Some truth about that
My grandmother, who was not for Hitler at all, out of curiosity went to see one of his speeches. There, to her shock and shame, she suddenly caught herself cheering for him.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:46 AM
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24. A DC press corps member could ask
if he's on any Rx meds and if so which ones.
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jonnyo Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:49 AM
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27. Should talk it up anyway, force it into the mainstream
where it can either be confirmed or proven false. Otherwise, it just festers on the fringe of the rumor mills and doesn't really help anyone's cause.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:55 AM
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31. If a reporter should ask this question, he or she probably
would never be recognized again in the * administration, and would be cut out in any way possible. That would jeopardize the job of said reporter, as well as the ability of his or her employer to get the scoop or even access.

Bush* and his cronies brook no opposition, anywhere, anytime by anyone. And they do not hesitate to exact retribution.

How many members of the mainstream media would be willing to risk professional suicide for a question that would never be answered truthfully if at all?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:25 PM
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57. Dan Rather would certainly bear that out.
I don't have a link, but I remember reading a story about him being interviewed by the BBC, I think. He was in England. And the question about the acquiescent press came up. He responded that if he asked the tough questions or reported critical facts about this White House, he'd be "necklaced."

If they can intimidate Dan Rather, no wonder we're screwed. No wonder our media is worthless. If DAN RATHER is afraid to speak up and tell the truth, what to make of the rest of the Monica corps?
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:35 PM
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99. The answer from Michael Moore's speech...
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/28/1335239

I was on a, one of those morning talk shows and after we went to commercial, the person who was interviewing me said you know, you know, you are right, I mean when the war started, it was very difficult here to book the people we wanted to book, ask the questions we wanted to ask. In fact, I got a memo about my tone of voice. And apparently the brass had received a call from the Dick Cheney’s office is what--and said that he didn't like my tone of voice. And I got a memo on it to watch my tone of voice. Well you've got to tell that story! You've got to tell that story. I can't. Well why? They can't fire you. You are like one of the most well-known people in America. And, you know, you've got to tell this story. If you don’t tell it, I’m going to wait like maybe another week. What's today? Within the week, I will put this on my web site. I'll tell the whole story and I’ll name who said it. (applause) so this person is unnoticed now and I am doing it in a friendly way. Because this is a good person. You know? Just that I think the people deserve the truth and they need to know how the decisions get made behind the curtain. Who is pulling the strings here? Who's calling the shots? It's like, you know, coming from where I come from politically, you know, we always are in this place of yeah, you know, the man this and the man that and this corporation and this and that and there's probably a part of us that says oh, you know, it's really, there's, maybe it's not that bad. You want to believe it isn't that bad. You know? And then, it's like they have made the mistake of giving me a peek behind this curtain and I’ve seen this happen and it's stunning to me, <snipped>
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:56 AM
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32. An artful non-denial would be my guess
But it would be interesting anyway.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:49 AM
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25. The guy used to get high on endorphins from his daily runs.
After hurting his knee, he can't do that anymore, so he's stressed and without his endorphins.

Combine that with the fact that he's an arrogant little rich prick and you get a short-tempered, depressed, angry man.
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:49 AM
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26. With his finger on the nuclear trigger
Have a nice day. :)
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:43 PM
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68. remove the 'football'
someone, anyone, PLEASE!! This nutbag would destroy all of us!
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:42 PM
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78. Unfortunately, the launch codes would be handed off to V.P. Crashcart
who doesn't seem to be the kind of man who would hesitate launching Armageddon.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:53 AM
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30. To paraphrase the 'Great Communicator' ....
Read, but verify ....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:05 PM
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34. An article from Feb. 2004 by McTavish...
LOL...I think he does not like chimpy*.... :)

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4013.shtml

From Deserter to Commander-in-Chief
By WILLIAM D. McTAVISH
Feb 4, 2004, 08:02

<snip>
But George W. Bush was the son of George H.W. Bush, Congressman from Texas, and officers who want to stay in the military do not risk their careers going after recruits with juice, even irresponsible ones.

Dubya got into the guard by using his daddy’s influence to move to the front of a long line. Getting into the guard kept him out of harm’s way in Vietnam but it did not instill him with any sense of responsibility.

So the man who kissed off his military obligations 32 years ago and let others fight and die in his place later became President of the United States and ordered still others to fight and die.

Which is a disgrace for those young men and women who have died in Iraq.

It’s one thing to fight and die for your country. It’s something else to do it for a deserter.

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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:08 PM
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36. Shades of Nixon
HE'S depressed? How does he think we citizens feel with him in charge?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:09 PM
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37. If things are that crazy, and his aides are being treated with suspicion
why would those aides risk sharing their stories with Capitol Hill Blue? It sounds like the personal info they shared would make them easily identifiable...such as the aide who was accused of dating a Democrat, etc.
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squidbro Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:39 AM
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102. The truth always eventually comes out
It is a little suspicious. However, there is a likely element of truth.

Someone needs to dispense those prescribed drugs. A pharmacy technician would raise his or her eyebrows over behavioral drugs prescribed for the President. Discussions ensue and the facts are leaked, albeit distorted.

The truth is somewhere in-between, but shrub and his staff are looking mighty beleagured. shrub himself is exhibiting behaviour that is very worrisome.

It appears that shrub really could use some psychiatric help.

Now comes the very interesting angle. If shrub has a meltdown, will the doctor be held responsible for prescribing mind altering agents? Will he become the next fall guy in a succession of fall guys for the present corrupt administration? And if he does, will he spill all of the sordid and sorry details of the President's mental instability?

What a pickle. Unfortunately, shrub has very few friends left these days.

I kind of feel sorry for him in a way. It goes away quickly when I think of the thousands of dead Iraqis, the dead American troops, the pillaging of middle and lower class America by the wealthy corporate CEOs, and the mortgaging of my children's future all through a stolen election.

If I performed half as badly in my job as shrub has done in running the nation, I would have no hope of ever finding work again.

Perhaps shrub should go back to that God he professes to believe in and beg for forgiveness. There is still time for redemption.

Who am I kidding? Unlike the story of Scrooge, shrub is destined to a life of lonely bitterness. Despite his words, he knows not the meaning of true repentance.

One wonders if he might turn to the bottle when he is fired by the voters of this nation. It will be interesting.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:17 PM
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39. Comfortably numb
That song is looping through my head, I wonder if he doesn't run from the debates what they'll inject him with to get him through the show.I wonder also if kkkarl has any calculas on debating/not debating, this may get interesting.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:32 PM
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42. Those of us of an older vintage may be hearing
the Kinks' refrain, "Parnoia will destroya."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:39 PM
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44. vintage hearing!


Met a girl called Lola and I took her back to my place
feelin' guilty, feelin' scared, hidden cameras everywhere
Stop! hold on. stay in control

Girl, I want, you here with me
but i'm really not as cool as i'd like to be
'cause there's a red, under my bed
and there's a little yellow man in my head
and there's a true, blue, inside of me
that keeps stoppin' me, touchin' ya, watchin' ya, lovin' ya

Paranoia, need destroyer. Paranoia, they destroy ya'

Well I fell asleep, then I woke feelin' kinda' queer
Lola looked at me and said ooh you look so weird
she said man, there's really something wrong with you
one day you're gonna' self-destruct
you're up, get down, i'll come work you out
you get a good thing goin' then you blow yourself out

Silly boy ya' self-destroyer. Silly boy ya' self-destroyer

Silly boy you got so much to live for
so much to aim for, so much to try for
you blow it all with, paranoia
you're so insecure you, self-destroyer

(and it goes like this, here it goes) paranoia, they destroy ya
(here it goes again) paranoia, they destroy ya

Dr. Dr. help her please I know you'll understand
there's a time device inside of me i'm a self-destructin' man
there's a red, under my bed
and there's a little green man in my head
and said you're not goin' crazy, you're just a bit sad
'cause there's a man in ya, knawin' ya, tearin' ya, in to to

Silly boy ya' self-destroyer. paranoia, they destroy ya'

Self-destroyer, wreck your health
destroy friends, destroy yourself
the time device of, self-destruction
lies, confusion, start eruption

(yea, it goes like this, here it goes) paranoia, they destroy ya
(here's to paranoia) paranoia, they destroy ya
(hey hey, here it goes) paranoia, they destroy ya
(and it goes like this)

paranoia, they destroy ya (and it goes like this)


Davies
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:45 PM
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45. Thank you very much!
Alas, my memory of the lyrics is not perfect, but surely the message is the same.

Now I won't be able to get it out of my head all day!
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:56 PM
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49. Republicans
Are callus bullies,debutants with entitlement delusions , they are selfish sociopaths ,a circle of good 'ole' boys and they are scared of people who do the work they can't /refuse to do/think they are above doing and who give them thier power by trusting them to do the right things..
But they don't do the right things,they do right only for themselves.
Because they abuse power they are trusted with and betray the ethics of humankind and they know it

Now that they know that we know what they are they are afraid of us.
ashamed ? If not ashamed they are paranoid,imploding,as thier symbolic sucess turns into the trap that will show the world the ugliness inside them.

They know thier"place" is a social delusion.It's not an entitlement.
They are seeing how misuse of authority indeed turns all power into an empty sucking sound.Now that sucking sound they are beginning to realise originates in thier own hearts and they cannot say it's anyone elses fault..
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 12:47 PM
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46. WH is a Mental Ward- Let's tell it like it is!!


I believe that the WH is now housing a Mental Ward. Something grave is happening with * and he is set to crash big time. He is not made of the Big Dog stuff. He does not know how to fight. He is a bully.

We Democrats are so nice and kind. We would never want to say anything that we have not verified.While that is PC, it is not the way that this election will play out in favor of our side.

Every single day, Rush hits the airways with big lies! He is not questioned or called on anything. O'Lielly tells the public lies all the time and he never proves his stuff.

But, not us.
We know the Chimp is NUTS! He is an accident that is not waiting to happen,it is happening.

Ann Richards said today that what struck her about the Goat Book Tape is that Andrew Card had to have told Bush that "the 2nd plane hit the WTC, not the 1st plane.

That means that Bush Boy KNEW about the 1st and still sat like a deer in head lights and did nothing. This is a VERY SICK MAN.

We should be screaming it to the roof tops that we have a dangerous man in the WH. He is mentally ill and we need to know exactly what is going on with him.

Helen Thomas, or some brave brave person with a spine, needs to ask him point blank," Mr. President(that is the only way that he will speak)are you on strong medication for your mental state?" We have read the reports."

So what if the reports are not in the NY Times! They lie to us all the time. What newspaper in this land would you believe could or would really tell us the truth about these crooks. They can't. They are all bought and paid for.



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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:06 PM
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76. Bush doesn't usually, if ever, let Helen Thomas ask him questions.
Bush has completely intimidated the press. They rarely ask him the really tough questions.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:06 PM
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50. even if the article is suspect ...
... wouldn't this tend to back up things like the "Who cares what you think?" legend ... and the (verified) confrontation between George W. and Al Hunt, back in '86?

I'm trying to take this all with a grain of salt, but it fits what we've already seen of his personality so well. Even the Pelosi film (quite fair towards him) showed that he was able to "shut people out" very effectively. If it's a hoax, somebody's done the homework.

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wrate Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:09 PM
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53. Its very believable. Just think of this guy's past.
Even as he was a rich spoiled brat he could not handle reality and hid behind drugs and alcohol!

Then, through out his presidency he's been hardly seen publicly. How many TV interviews have there been? And when the guy does speak, he can barely utter a phrase without seeming incapable to articulate? And remember when the 9/11 commission interviewed him, it had to be with Dick Chenney. How uncommon is that? And I am not even talking about how bad he looks.

Add to that the religious bullsh*t. The manipulation. And the talk of how God put him in the WH. And then, what we all think are lies could very well be a symptom of how disconnected from reality the guy is. Like saying that Saddam would not let the WMD inspectors back in so the US had to attack.

I have always wondered if a person who could obviously not handle reality when his life was pretty much free of responsibility, could hold he's own being the POTUS? Can anyone here even imagine the kind of stress he's under?

I think this story could very well be the piece of the puzzle that's been missing. If this had been said of Clinton or even George H. Bush, I would have dismissed it in a second.
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JustCarbon Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:26 PM
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59. awww
don't make fun of his speech impediment

*laughs*
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:10 PM
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54. I'd trust DRUDGE before CHB
this stuff is hogwash. we don't link to it and we try to be the vanguard of leftist news. they're proven wrong time and time again. i don't link to them because it reduces our credibility.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:32 PM
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61. I'd trust CHB before I'd trust Drudge
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 02:50 PM by rmpalmer
There's just too much evidence something is going on with this guy. He's either drinking again or is taking some serious drugs. Just look how incoherent he can be during a press conference or speaking off the cuff. Remember even the press corp was wondering about him seeming subdued during that strange press conference when he fumbled around about if ever made a mistake.

Then other days he's real antimated.

Did anyone see the film of him speaking during the time he was running for governor (or was governor)? It was frightening how coherent he was compared to now.

I'm wondering how he'll fare during the debates. It should be a disaster, but then the media whores will again set the bar so low they'll probably declare him the winner if he speaks in the least coherently.

But I don't expect Kerry to make the stupid mistakes Gore and his campaign made during the debates. (The sighing, the subdued Gore and the horrible makeup for instance).

I'm really hoping the American public and press see the true idiocy of this guy during the debates.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:36 PM
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65. Yeah... he was pretty coherent in the debates 4 years ago...
.. I wonder now how he will get through them this time. He seems more and more incapable of speaking for more than a few minutes without breaking into a sweat and leaving abruptly. I'm thinking of that photo of Bush speaking recently in an air conditioned building.. his face was dripping with sweat, and his eyes were GLOWING red. Something is very, very wrong. Shades of Nixon.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:56 PM
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71. I noticed the deterioration while watching F911
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 02:57 PM by freddie57
He seemed coherent and half ass intelligent during the first part of the movie, but, after 11 sept. he seems to have gone downhill fast.
I noticed also, he gained a Texas twang, there wasn't a hint of any thing but a Connecticut yankee to the sound of his voice.
If he refuses to meet Kerry in debates this rumor should spread like a brushfire.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:33 PM
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62. Hey.. they were totally right about the Tenet thing..
..they were the first to report that Bush's inner circle had NO CLUE that Tenet was resigning until Bush walked out into the Rose Garden and made the hasty comment after an unrelated talk.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:12 PM
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56. RUSH is his dealer?
Maybe he gets his meds from RUSH the dealer...drugs and Reps are just normal behavior for them. If they are'nt them, they need to be.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:20 PM
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58. ok, this is article number three on this theme, bush going crazy, all pub-
lished in capitolhillblue.com's relatively right-wing online mouthpiece. what is up? in the first one he was wandering the halls talking to himself and screaming obscenities at everyone, and they were worried he was becoming paranoid and unstable. in the second, published a day or so ago, he was depressed after being confronted about kenny-boy lay and was put on "powerful antidepressants." now, in this one, his powerful drugs are making him increasingly sullen and paranoid...

why is this right-wing online rag pushing the idea that bush is nutso and unfit to lead?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #58
64. Maybe there's an aide or two who are still loyal to the country
and are talking. There's gotta be some non-koolaid drinkers among the Repubs.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:53 PM
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69. What if maybe it is true?

If I wanted to put my tin hat on tight "maybe" there are a few folks that for their own reasons,want him out of there. "Maybe" they are for McCain.

Maybe they see the writing on the wall and are trying to get the word out early,before the convention,for Bush to step down.

Just a thought.

My bottom line is that Bush Boy IS nuts and America (Democrats and Republicans) better get him out of there.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #58
79. if you read their members, you'll see
that it is no longer RW. Quite the contrary.

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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 06:22 PM
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89. leftchick posted a link to story about new CHB editor appointed last month
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4684.shtml

courtesy of leftchick's post above.

This lady's background suggests either she's a hell of a promoter or she's a hell of a bulldog.

Either way, this has enough of the smell of truth to it to be taken seriously. And if it's to be taken seriously, we have a moral duty to bring it to the fore.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:37 PM
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66. Whether it's legal or illegal drugs....Bush is a "DOPEHEAD"! n/t
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blue agave Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:55 PM
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70. We should get Helen to bring it up
Anyone have an inside line to her ?

She is the only person on the press corp with the courage to face the backlash.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:04 PM
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72. I know I saw her email address on Du somewhere

Is she with AP?

I have heard others say that she always answers her emails and thanks them.

I was also trying to think of other people that could say this...

MM could say it

Moveon.com?

Does anyone remember that Eartha Kitt blasted Lady Bird Johnson about the war at a luncheon? It almost ruined her career but I thought it was a defining moment. She was a true patriot.


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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:16 PM
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73. The comparison to Nixon in '74 is notable since this admin has
dipped into that cesspool for most of its idiots as well as so much of its ideology.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:58 PM
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81. How soon can we get a debate scheduled?
A public meltdown would be delightful.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 05:04 PM
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83. I posted the TBRnews link over on CHB.
Here are the post and the reply, plus a little argument on why Bush might consider stepping down in a way that he might be able to understand. Please note: I am not a conservative Christian, but I have known several. I did not write this to denigrate their faith in any way.

posted July 29, 2004 05:49 PM
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quote:
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Originally posted by amanda:
Information similar to that in the story by Ms. Hampton and Mr. McTavish has been appearing on the controverial TBRnews website for some time under "Voice of the White House." "Voice" purports to be a member of the White House press corp who has noticed bizarre behavior in and around the Oval Office. There are additional details of the bizarre goings-on and descriptions of his/her efforts to obtain information.

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I believe Terry knows the person who posts the info to TBR. The White House press corps jokes about the paranoia in the West Wing but none are willing to write about it because no one will go on the record. We decided to report it after confirming all the information in our reports with a minimum of two sources.

Doug
_______________________________________________

Thank you for posting this, Doug. The fact that you have acknowledged the "two source" requirement really lends credence to today's story by Ms. Hampton and Mr. McTavish, which contains truly, truly frightening statements concerning the President.

Your post also adds crediblity to the reports of "Voice." I certainly hope that "Voice" will not be outed until he or she wishes to be.

I have true compassion for those afflicted by alcoholism and depression. Those maladies, alone and together, have caused much misery in my family. I hope that the President and all people afflicted receive treatment because I believe that most who want to be helped can be helped.

Nonetheless, I do not see the Oval Office in times of war as a suitable treatment setting.

If the President is afflicted as indicated in recent CHB articles and in some of "Voice's" reports, he should step down.

Ms. Hampton, Mr. McTavish and "Voice" portray a President whose strong faith leads him to believe that he was put in the White House for a purpose, and that his purpose is to lead the United States in a life and death struggle against terrorists who would destroy our freedoms.

But those of strong faith often find that the Lord works in unexpected and subtle ways, and that mere mortals cannot always foresee what He has planned.

Perhaps the Lord's plan for President Bush is not to lead the fight against terrorism, but instead to lead by example the suffering to healing and the powerful, and, indeed, all of us, to realizing that there may come a time in which the individual must bow to the greater good.


amanda
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 06:03 PM
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86. Very impressive. Very well put. We have a duty to pursue this.
I don't have my head wrapped around all the players yet, but intend to get there.

I feel even more strongly now this is bound to break into the mainstream soon. With a character like voice, the media has all the resources it needs to create an incredible brouhaha.

I believe it is a moral imperative for us to pursue this story relenlessly. This is the leadership of our nation and the free world at stake here. We must not permit a mentally ill leader to continue in office without intense, relentless scrutiny of his every act.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 06:21 PM
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88. Thank you Merlin.
I agree. I think that * was particularly ill-suited to the Presidency. One of my friends noted untreated "dry drunk" tendencies right away.

The office of governor in Texas is weak, and * was not tested there. When he was appointed president, I hoped that we would have an uneventful four years and that Cheney and the staff around him would be able to guide him in sensible, if conservative, ways. Alas, none of that was to be.

Do you have any ideas about how to keep this up?
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:02 AM
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106. Getting elected governor was no biggie
Frankly, the GOP could have run ANYONE and beat Ann Richards in 1994. Despite her popularity, she knew she was going to lose. Why? She vetoed the bill allowing a referendum on the issue of concealed carry permits. She thought it was wrong for anyone other than law enforcement officers to legally carry concealed weapons and she didn't care how many Texans thought otherwise. So she vetoed the bill. Bush was elected and eventually the right to carry law was passed. There are enough people in Texas that care about their guns more than any other issue and that was enough to get Shrub his first elected office. He left us with a horrible deficit and crumbling, understaffed schools. He grandfathered old polluting refineries so that they could continue to belch crap into the atmosphere, making Houston's air less and less breathable. I'll be looking forward to getting rid of Governor GoodHair Rick Perry in 2006. He's just as incompetent as Bush, although probably not as evil.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:14 AM
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108. Wow! I always wondered why Ann Richards lost.
I've spent enough time spying over at Free Republic to know what an incredible red meat issue concealed carry is for them. I don't like concealed carry much at all, but maybe Ms. Richards' principled stand doesn't look so good in hindsight.

Molly Ivins sure doesn't have anything nice to say about GoodHair. I hope that there's a better, electable Democratic candidate waiting in the wings. No state deserves 6 years of * and then 6 years of more benign incompetence.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 06:06 PM
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87. Could he be victim to .......MAD COW disease????
Ya never know.
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 09:59 PM
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93. He was diagnosed with mad cowboy disease a couple of years ago! n/t
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 07:47 PM
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90. I think we should pray that they straighten out the prescriptions so that
he can continue...because of the McCain threat. There are so many good things going for the Dems right now...it could be devestating if they pull a switch late in the game because they could come out with a new barrel of lies and confronting lies takes time.

The whole thing about paranoia in the WH is a little dubious. There could be paranoia coming from the resident, but I don't think what Karl Rove has is paranoia. He steadily and purposefully oozes evil, not of the paranoia kind. He has no doubts about anything except the power of his cover-up (if that counts).
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squidbro Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:01 AM
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104. Cheney, not McCain is the bigger worry
The real horror would be to watch Bush step down and for Cheney to step up to the helm prior to the November elections.

Cheney is downright scary compared to Bush.

This administration is going into total meltdown.

It would be understandable to see how bush might be tempted to turn to various substances to take his mind off of the horrors of Iraq. There is no way to win that one now. The economy gave him a glimmer of hope, but is tanking in a big way now. Democrats are winning run offs in states like Kentucky of all places.

He gets stressed and asks his physician for some Valium. Only, he needs to stay on the Valium much of the time. But then he appears "drugged" on stage. So for the times he needs to face the public, he gets a stimulant to counteract the sedative effects. Only the stimulants worsen paranoia and make his behavior much less predictable.

The republican party then does some soul searching on how to deal with the problem. Especially if the President is dependent on benzodiazepines. How do they sequester the President for long enough to detox. off of the agents? How do they keep it hidden? And how do they handle an anxious and agitated President without the use of sedatives?

Such a revelation would be devastating to the Republican party. McCain would be wise to distance himself from the mess and not go into the fray. He really wouldn't pose much of a threat.

The bigger threat would be for an unethical man like Cheney to take power, manipulate the nation into another terror attack and declare marial law.

The President's behavior is too suspect for the story to be totally false. Besides, the risk of libel and slander would seem to dampen such stories. But CHB is publishing a number of articles. There is something to this one.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:22 AM
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110. Cheney is a scarey character, that's for sure. But
he may not last long enough in the Oval Office to start a new war before his heart gives out, assuming that his doctors would let him assume the position. Cheney might last long enough to appoint, and get the Repug-controlled Congress to approve, a VP. Then, if Cheney was forced to resign, the new President would appoint another VP at the pleasure of Congress.

Would the Repugs go for a Frist/DeLay ticket? Scarey thought. Perhaps Gov. Owens of Colorado. I haven't heard that he is bizarrely born again.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 10:58 PM
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96. If this is true, expect him to move little toy tank divisions around on a
table map in the bunker.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:07 PM
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97. With Day of Prayer, Bush reaches out
His message could appeal to evangelical Christians particularly, which could help him in November.

By Deb Riechmann

Associated Press


WASHINGTON - President Bush reached out to evangelical Christians yesterday in a National Day of Prayer ceremony that religious networks were broadcasting coast to coast.

"At so many crucial points in the life of America, we have been a nation at prayer," Bush said, recalling that Abraham Lincoln called the country to prayer in the darkest days of the Civil War and that Franklin Roosevelt led U.S. citizens in prayer 60 years ago when U.S. and British troops invaded German-occupied France.

Some academic specialists on religion and politics - and some advocates of a stark division between church and state - suggested the Republicans were using the 53d annual National Day of Prayer to give the GOP an edge in the election.

"This event has very strong underpinnings of partisan support for the President, and that's what it's designed to do," said Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. "It's not like he is ignoring other religious groups, but he knows that this day is the one where he signals, 'I am an evangelical Christian. Remember that in November.' "
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/8608049....




Friday, May 07, 2004 - Page updated at 12:00 A.M.

Bush joins in evangelical broadcast

By Deb Riechmann
The Associated Press
President Bush bows his head during prayer services at the National Day of Prayer ceremony in the White House.

WASHINGTON — President Bush yesterday appealed to evangelical Christians in a National Day of Prayer ceremony broadcast coast-to-coast by religious networks.
"At so many crucial points in the life of America, we have been a nation at prayer," Bush said, recalling that Abraham Lincoln had called the country to prayer in the darkest days of the Civil War and that Franklin Roosevelt led U.S. citizens in prayer 60 years ago when U.S. and British troops invaded German-occupied France.

Some academic specialists on religion and politics — and some advocates of a stark division between church and state — suggested Republicans were using the 53rd annual National Day of Prayer to give the GOP an edge in the November election.

"This event has very strong underpinnings of partisan support for the president, and that's what it's designed to do," said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. "It's not like he is ignoring other religious groups, but he knows that this day is the one where he signals 'I am an evangelical Christian. Remember that in November.' "

During yesterday's event, one of thousands of National Day of Prayer observances, Bush recognized Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb of the Orthodox Union of Jews, other religious leaders as well as conservative Oliver North, an Iran-contra figure turned radio talk-show host who is honorary chairman of this year's National Day of Prayer.

"We cannot be neutral in the face of injustice or cruelty or evil," Bush said. "God is not on the side of any nation, yet we know he is on the side of justice. And it is the deepest strength of America that from the hour of our founding, we have chosen justice as our goal.

"Our greatest failures as a nation have come when we lost sight of that goal: in slavery, in segregation, and in every wrong that has denied the value and dignity of life. Our finest moments have come when we have faithfully served the cause of justice for our own citizens and for the people of other lands."
more
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001922191_bushprayer07.html
She also made no apologies about the exclusion of Muslims and others outside of the "Judeao-Christian tradition" from ceremonies planned by the task force on Capitol Hill and in state capitals across the country. "They are free to have their own national day of prayer if they want to," she said. "We are a Christian task force."

The White House press office and presidential adviser Karl Rove's office did not respond to calls seeking comment on the National Day of Prayer observances.

more
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A5572-2004May5¬Found=true

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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:24 PM
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98. One Word: Nixon
'nuff said.

:) :dem:
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obelus Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:23 AM
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101. He Is Jumpier Than Jane Fonda At A VFW Banquet
The http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/1999/12/13/bush.html">facial tics have increased since his days as a candidate when they mostly consisted of the dismissive shrug and the smirk. After four years of shrugs and smirks, it is now apparent that these are not deployed as gestures, but rather more involuntarily — he cannot stop himself. Now, added to that is a subtle chewing on his lip or the inside flesh of his mouth. For a while now there seems to be a correlation between his frequent trips to Texas or Camp David and the fact that he starts to get tic-y.

I don't place much plausibility in aides snitching on the President's drug regimen to an obscure rag, but he seemed most full of tics and shrugs during his oval office interview with Tim Russert. Now, there is another wrecked bike. While it is most likely that the President's camp is down in Texas laying low for the DNC convention and plotting strategy, it is also plausible that Bush's anxiety disorder predates his term of office by a large degree.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:02 AM
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105. "another wrecked bike" and increasing stumbles
Photo of Bush just last week stumbling on the stairs as he tried to get off Air Force One.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040722/480/mdsw10107221846
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:14 AM
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107.  Thanks aint_no_life_nowhere




Is there any doubt?
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:50 AM
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103. Could be early warning signs of the Tecumseh curse.
Edited on Fri Jul-30-04 12:51 AM by countmyvote4real
Or maybe my own curses are finally working. Yikes. I should be careful what I wish for.

http://americanhistory.about.com/cs/uspresidents/a/tecumcurse1.htm
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ronabop Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:33 AM
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111. Unequipped for the job.
* simply didn't know the facts. He seemed to think that being pResident was going to be like being governor of texas, but texas would be bigger.

What he didn't realize is that there are very few terrorist organizations who want to eliminate Texas. Texas hasn't been an intenational target, well, ever, because it wasn't ever really much of a nation.

So, this guy gets in to power, and sort of wanders around. 9 months into his job, he is forced to realize that there are forces in the world hell-bent on destroying his entire country. He takes some of them out, and in his thrashing around to change this threat, targets Iraq, and soon learns that he is the most disliked human being on the entire planet, protestested by more people than those who protested stalin, hilter, etc.

No wonder he's totally freaked out and paranoid. He simply wasn't equipped to realize that an entire planet cannot be given cute nicknames and party passes, an entire planet is against him.

-Bop
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 02:38 AM
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113. Is this a Rev. Moon right wing attempt to discredit our intenet media?
or a left wing version of Newsmax?

Not that I doubt Bu$h is depressed and drugged, but, Richard J. Lay?

Who the heck is that?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 02:40 AM
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114. So when they claim him Emperor in November, will he believe it?
Powerful anti-depressants...ya...right...
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