Some fence-sitters are now sold (Miami Herald)

[henslee]

After watching the first presidential debate, some members of a panel of undecided voters said their minds were made up. But they disagreed on which candidate fared best.

One of them thought Bush sounded like an incompetent speaker and leader. Another called Kerry an ''idiot'' after the debate.

Whatever their opinion, at least some fence-sitters who have yet to make a decision on which presidential candidate to support moved one step closer to a decision Thursday night.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/9805622.htm

[progdonkey]

1. please don't give me news on undecideds

Being exposed to this kind of idiocy pisses me off. "Their differences are so minute"? WTF?! Kerry sounded like an idiot?!

[ThePhilosopher04]

2. Those people weren't really true undecideds...

If they felt Bush won the debate.

[Seabiscuit]

3. Yup, they're phony Bush plants.

No doubt about it. "Undecideds", my ass.

[Chovexani]

5. Is the Miami Herald a right wing rag?

I seem to remember hearing as such on some of the Cuba threads.

[Seabiscuit]

8. It is, and you're right.

Remember Elia Gonzales? And Janet Reno? And Clinton? And the ultra-right-wing Cuban community in Miami that aided and abetted Elia's kidnapping up to the point where Federal troops had to intervene to rescue him and return him to his father?

I was in Florida and the Bahamas at the time. The Miami Herald was as right wing as the come about that story. All in favor of the distant relatives who refused to return this poor boy to the authorities and refused to allow him to see his father. These are the people and their brainwashed offspring that were part of the "Operation Mongoose" special ops group that Nixon set up as Vice President in the Eisenhower administration, who falsely blamed John F. Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs fiasco that Nixon put into operation, and which the CIA lied to Kennedy about, who were in league with the CIA and the Mafia to kill Castro, and who were subsequently involved with John F. Kennedy's asassination and Watergate. And the Miami Herald was in league with them all through those decades of despicability.

The Miami Cuban community as a whole constitutes a "hate group" in America not that much unlike the Ku Klux Klan. The Miami Herald has always pandered to them.

[0007]

13. "Being exposed to this kind of idiocy pisses me off"

Couldn't have said it better!

Is the starter of this thread also undecided?

[countmyvote4real]

4. Too stupid to vote.

If people are still trying to figure out which candidate will get their vote, then I think they have some real cognitive issues that need to be dealt with first.

We are a divided nation and anybody that hasn’t made up their mind is not paying attention (understandable if not unforgivable), but they must have some “deep” conflicts if they are depending on the “debates” to tip them one way or another.

I think that’s BS. They are just too lazy to research or too busy to take the time (good for them, they have a job.) Either way they are too uninformed to balance the media’s call when it comes to their vote. What does it take for these “citizens” to make up their minds?

[Seabiscuit]

9. I hate to have to say this,

but that "undecided" idiot you're describing has always seemed to me to be the majority of the "dumbed down", uncaring, selfish, uninvolved, typical American voter.

Thank God for Howard Dean. If it weren't for him, there would have been no one in this country to wake it up and stand up to Dubya early on in the primaries like no one else. Kerry never quite learned his lesson from Howard, so perhaps it takes this first overwhelming victory in the first debate for Kerry to appeal to the typical American idiot voter.

I personally have always disapproved of and intensely disliked Kerry's "DLC'er" compromising position on Iraq. Yet even so, he was able to articulate his weak position well enough during this first debate well enough to paint a stark contrast to Dubya's fumbling, dissembling, BS position about Iraq. FINALLY.

Not good enough, but perhaps good enough to win by a narrow majority.

Overall, I'm not that harsh on Kerry. He really came across well and very Presidential tonight, and probably shocked the hell out of the bastards who prepped Bush for the debate. The suckers never saw it coming. Obviously, since Bush obviously didn't. He put on his poorest public performance in four years, at least. He looked like a dumbed-down frat boy in a college he never belonged in (put there by his poppy) drunk of his ass, slouching over the podium while imagining he was faking his phony Texas swagger, scrunching up his face and rolling his eyes in anger every time Kerry, for 90 minutes, hurled verbal daggers at his chest, cutting him to the bone.

This foreign policy debate was supposed to be Dubya's strong suit. It's all downhill for Dubya from now on, folks, as we move into domestic issues.

[Frances]

6. Make up of people interviewed

4 were R; 2 were D; 1 was I; 1 had no party identification

[krkaufman]

7. WTF? Did Gallup run the focus group? n/t

[Seabiscuit]

10. Some group of "undecideds"

4 Repukes out of 7 people?????

[shockingelk]

11. A Republican political consultant was undecided?

The three of the 8 they mention party affiliation for are all Republicans!

Voting Bush:
Ted Lyons, 56, a Republican and political consultant

leaning Bush:
Juan Cosio, a Cuban American and Republican who voted for Bush in 2000

leaning Kerry:
Alfredo Oliva, Jr., said he is leaning toward Kerry after the debate. Oliva, who is a Cuban American and a Republican

[shockingelk]

12. He's a member of the N. Dade Republican Club

http://northdaderepublican.tripod.com/

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

15. ????

How does a Republican political consultant come off as "Undecided?"

Perhaps they could have just put Pickles on the panel. I'm sure she hasn't made up her mind yet. This is nothing more than cotton candy journalism -- looks good, but a steady diet will rot your brain.

[DeepModem Mom]

14. The first "undecided" on the panel I saw had her Bush talking points...

ready.