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neomonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 12:37 AM
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Kissinger Criticized Subordinates
BUENOS AIRES, Argentina -- Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger suggested punishing subordinates who criticized military dictatorships in Chile and Argentina in the 1970s, declassified documents show.

In a transcript of a June 1976 conversation with William D. Rogers, then assistant secretary of state for Latin America, Kissinger called remarks by another State Department official criticizing the regime of Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet "a bloody outrage."

"I have not become a super liberal. This is not an institution that is going to humiliate the Chileans," Kissinger was quoted as saying in the transcript released Friday by the National Security Archive, a foreign policy research center in Washington

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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 12:41 AM
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1. Kissinger knows that if we sign on
to the International Courrt HE will be the first to go.

He's trying to get some publicity/limelight in the positive realm. There is a special place in hell for that man - no amount of 'humanitarian b*s' will save him.

He sees the writing on the wall - and it's in KERRY'S script.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 12:45 AM
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2. Actually, the ICC can only hear crimes that occurred after 2002. nt
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 01:00 AM
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3. Damn....I didn't know that
Guess I need to read up before I post my fantasies.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 01:27 AM
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4. good enough
Bush is still eligible. :D
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neomonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 02:20 AM
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11. This paragraph conjured images of Idiot King dying last night
Edited on Sat Oct-02-04 02:21 AM by neomonkey
"The transcripts bolster evidence that the United States was sending mixed messages to Chile and Argentina during the period, according to Sebastian Brett, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch in Chile."
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 02:10 AM
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7. ICC won't be retroactive. But Kissinger already at risk of arrest & con-
viction for violation of the existing laws of countries arround the world to whose jurisdiction is already subject.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 01:44 AM
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5. I hope Kerry backs the ICC and they modify the rules to include crimes
committed 50 years ago. There should never be a statute of limitations on crimes against humanity. Kissinger's last days should be spent in utter humiliation and solitary confinement.









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neomonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 01:54 AM
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6. Sweet graphic n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 02:12 AM
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9. Thanks. I created this one a few hours ago:






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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 02:11 AM
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8. There's no statute of limitations on murder already.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 02:16 AM
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10. See post#2 by tritsofme
"Actually, the ICC can only hear crimes that occurred after 2002." - I assumed this poster is correct. If this is true, wouldn't that preclude any crime, murder or not?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:15 AM
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13. And it only has jurisdiction over signatory nations, I bet.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 02:54 AM
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12. yes, but we're talking jurisdiction
Assuming tritsofme is correct, the court can't hear cases that occurred before 2002. It's a matter of jurisdiction; state courts can't hear kidnapping cases, the ICC can't hear cases before 2002.

Unfortunately, I don't know who would have jurisdiction over crimes against humanity before 2002 if not the ICC. Perhaps Kerry can get the jurisdiction extended to, say, 1965.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:17 AM
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14. Many countries already have jurisdiction over people who kill their...
...citizens abroad.

That's why the spanish courts got an extradition order against Pinochet while he was in the EU in '98.

Kissinger can longer travel to France because they're willing to execute an arrest warrant on behalf of some other nation for violation of some criminal statutue that has nothing to do with the ICC.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 02:37 AM
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20. Thanks for pointing this out.
I thought I had heard his world's getting smaller, but wasn't sure what any of the details are.

It's awfully interesting knowing a man of his former influence is actually at risk now and can't just pull up and go anywhere his whim takes him.



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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:19 PM
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17. Ad hoc tribunals such as those in Nuremberg or against Yugoslavia
could theoretically be called.

The Rome Treaty (which Clinton signed and bush "unsigned") which established the ICC is actually a pretty interesting document if you ever have the time to read it.

Kerry could resign onto it, but there's no chance in hell it gets 2/3 vote in the Senate.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:17 AM
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15. One of Satan's mastered servants!!!!
Going down for the count!!!
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:58 AM
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16. Ronnie campaigned the 76 primaries against Ford to fire Kissinger.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 01:46 AM
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18. We should deport this terrorist SOB to Chile. eom
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roughandtumble Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-03-04 02:09 AM
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19. How can a jew be so fascist?
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