Cheney Presses Hussein-Qaeda Link - Boston Globe

[WillyT]

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Cheney's staff notes that former CIA director George J. Tenet testified in Congress about a relationship between Hussein and Al Qaeda. And, his aides say, Cheney has been careful to avoid stating that Hussein was responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks. Still, Cheney's references to a "relationship" between Al Qaeda and Hussein may obscure that distinction for many voters.

Surveys of Americans consistently have found large numbers who say Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, despite repeated declarations by a variety of investigators to the contrary. As recently as June, a Gallup Poll indicated that 44 percent of those surveyed said Hussein was personally tied to the terrorist strikes; 51 percent said he was not.

A senior Republican who served in top White House positions during the Ford and Reagan administrations cited the Gallup findings in discussing Cheney's campaign comments on Al Qaeda and Hussein. Cheney, the senior Republican said, is "talking about something that is credible with the American people, despite the intelligence. And the intelligence community is so under attack that he can say whatever he wants."

"What he gets out of it is making the case even stronger for why we went into Iraq, and it fits a pattern of what the American people want to believe," said the Republican, who requested anonymity because his comments could be interpreted as being critical of the vice president, with whom he has worked in the past.

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Link: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10/03/cheney_presses_hussein_qaeda_link/

He's the Energizer Bunny of deceit and misinformation, no???

:shrug:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. The definition of insanity...

Is doing the same things, over and over again, hoping the outcome will change.

[dqueue]

11. moreso...

It's reminiscent of the Nazi Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels and one of his spin techniques. Repeat something often enough, and the audience begins to believe it. Perhaps cheney has fallen prey to his own Nazistic behavior and he actually believes this crap now. Regardless, he desperately wants his audience to believe it.

[JoFerret]

2. Surveys say...

Cheney is persistent...and persistently lying.

[shockingelk]

3. perception is changing

This month 13, less believe Hussein was involved:

18. Do you think Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq was DIRECTLY involved in
planning, financing, or carrying out the terrorist attacks of
September 11th, 2001, or not?


current: 36 - yes / 51 no
9/3 42 - yes / 44 no

http://prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-02-2004/0002263797&EDATE=

[leftchick]

12. Thank God for that....

it is so hard to re-educate the brainwashed State News watching AmeriKans....

[AndyTiedye]

4. You Can Fool Some of the People All of the Time

With the help of FauxNews and CNN, that number appears to be 44%,
which is pretty close to the number of people who support Boosh.

The Proud. The Stupid. The Proud to be Stupid.
The Bush Voters.

[JimGinPA]

5. To Quote Al Franken...

Cheney is a "LIAR".

[WillyT]

6. L I A R !!!

:bounce:

[Cats Against Frist]

7. So the administration knows that Saddam didn't attack on 9/11

Witnessed by George Bush's "I KNOW OSAMA ATTACKED US!," in the debate -- plus, I'm sure they just know. So, as the article stated, Cheney is "blurring" the distinction between "in concert with alQuaida," "contacts with al Quaida," and "responsible for 9-11."

They're hitting it pretty hard, after their golden facade was chipped during the debates, when Kerry got to tell 55 million people that the 9-11 Commission said that Saddam DID NOT ATTACK US ON 9-11.

So, the GOP, is obviously trying to "blur," again, in the hopes that it will confuse vulnerable and dumb voters into connecting 9-11 and Iraq, so the rationalization for war holds up.

How must that feel? To rely on and try to creat IGNORANCE amongst your constituency to manipulate votes. Think about it. What's the definition of a freeper?

A person so stupid, they don't even realize that the criminal masters that they idolize, don't give a fuck about them, and are trying to confuse them, so they can screw their dumb asses with policies that do nothing to help them, by preying on their lack of ability to parse simple concepts, their sentimentality and their fear.

Good fucking Lord. That sucks.

[Nicholas_J]

8. One can bet...

That Edwards' debate practice and study was filled with information and references to all of
the evidence that there was no connection and that one of Edwards tasks is to get corner Cheney into stating the same thing again and then bring up all of the findings.

Kerry's debate statements about Osama bin Laden attacling us, not Saddam Hussein is likely
part of the reason that polls are indicating that fewer people beleve that there was a link.

The fact that so many more people found Kerry credible after the debate , and that he had more of a command the facts probably got some people who beleived their was a link to begin to question that link.

You notice the way the rest of the Bush administration has fostered this belief even when they
do not directly state that there is a link.Kerry nailed Bush doing what they have done in every speech on Iraq for the better part of two years now. In every speech they make a statement regarding the war in Iraq, and after every sentence about either Saddam or his regime, the next sentence always is on the topic of fighting terrorism or terrorists. There has not been one sentence in any Bush speech, or speech by any member of his administration that is not immediately followed by a sentence mentioning fighting terrorism or terrorists. This is the way that
the Bush administration has linked the two in the minds of many Americans. For months and monthd after 9/11 the percentage of people who beleived there was a connection was closer to 70 percent, because at every opportunity, whenver Bush mentioned Saddam and Iraq, he follwed it with a statement about 9/11 or "were attacked" just as he did during the debates. He even tried to quickly get around Kerry's statements that "it was Osama bn Laden who attacked us not Saddam "by responding that he knew it was Osama bin Laden who attacked us, without adding the words, "not Saddam Hussein" and then went right back to discussing Saddam and terrorism one right after the other. For weeks Kerry has been making these statements stating that there
were no links, but doing it during the debate with Bush present and having to respond has had a very different effect than Kerry stating it in front of a group he is speaking to. This time it wasnt said in froint of a few thousand people but on national television with 62.5 million people watching it, hearing it with Bush present, and with Bush fumbling around over the statement, not being able to try to start trying to deceive people by indirectly trying to make the connection again while Kerry was present. Thiswas perhaps the most important moment in attempting to get peopl to see how the Bush administration decieved the entire nation into going to war with Iraq based on a false connection made by the BUsh Administration between the events of September 11 ans Saddam Hussein.

Edwards has to keep up the pressure, and ust continue to correct Cheney if he tries to make this connection again.

Except for Cheney, Bush could actually make the statement that he NEVER said that Saddam had any links to Al Qaeda, or that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. He could very easily state that the public came to that conclusion on its own, as he never said there was a link.

Unless the much talked about October Surprise is some kind of evidence that there was some link between AL Qaeda and Hussein, before the election many more people will not only not beleive that there was not link, but will begin to beleive that the Bush administration purposefully deceived them in order to get the war that they had planned for long before September 11.

By continually attempting to break that link in the minds of those who beleive it exists, the Kerry campaign will be able to make a good number of people aware of the way the Bush administration used the events of 9/11 to engage the U.S in a war unrelated to it.

[BeatleBoot]

9. Misinformation versus Disinformation

Misinformation means you conveyed something that you thought was true, but it wasn't.

Disinformation means you knew it was false, but you conveyed it anyway.

[WillyT]

10. Damn... Where Were Ya When I Was Postin This Thing ???

You are correct of course!

:hi:

[slojim240]

13. Edwards will have call him out on this. I hope Edwards has his facts

ready to go. If Saddam had even talked to Osama over the phone that wasn't enough to invade Iraq. An alleged meeting between an Iraqi government official and a member of al-Qaeda, even if it happened, didn't mean that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 or al-Qaeda. How many unauthorized meetings between US officials and our opponents have taken place over the years? Hell, there is a photo of Rumsfeld meeting with and shaking Saddam's hand. I hope Edwards geta a chance to mention this.

[proud patriot]

14. cheney insults the intelligence of the American people

every time he brings this up like a broken record .

[MsMagnificent]

15. With everything from the 9-11 Panel to Bush & beyond

admitting there is no connection, it actually is a GOOD thing that Cheney is so fucking stubborn.

Watch him and learn from him -- he's showing his Achille's Heel, and as such, is surely the way to
bring
him
down.


Which reminds me of the true Criminals in the administration, but I'm going to start a separate thread regarding the LONG time it's been since at least 2 in the upper echelon of the White House have committed felony(ies) in outing a CIA Operative...
Something Poppy said was the lowest thing one could do, yet it's over a year and WHERE are these Criminals?

[LynnTheDem]

16. Cheney calls bush a LIAR.

There were no ties to Iraq and the 911 attacks;

Bush said so;

in 2003...

http://www.wokr13.tv/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=9A63C9B3-5A50-4475-AFA4-65BE6E8A638B

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0717FA3E5E0C7B8DDDA00894DB404482

in 2004...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/28/politics/main646142.shtml

Rice said so;
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/983821/posts

Rumsfeld said so;
http://www.news-star.com/stories/091703/New_6.shtml

Wolfowitz said so;
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4372.htm

Dr. Kay (bush's handpicked weapons inspector) said so;
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=5400

We all know the 911 Commission and the US Senate Commission have said there were no ties. And of course the entire worldwide intelligence agencies have always said there were no ties...even the Mossad!

ONLY CHENEY, in his fantsay world of insanity, keeps insisting there were ties.

[Kimber Scott]

17. God forbid any Republican be critical of fucking liars.

Unless they're Democrats, of course, then I'm sure they have no problem calling a spade a spade. CHENEY IS A LIAR. Everybody knows it. I wonder if Edwards will say it?

[Flammable Materials]

18. What does it take to declare Bush/Cheney legally insane ...

... and unfit to lead the country?

[FlyByNight]

19. If at first you don't succeed...

Lie, lie again. Well, can you blame Cheney? It worked once before. Hell, 44 percent still believe Hussein/Iraq had something to do with the 9/11 attacks despite the fact there's no evidence. :eyes:

[highnooner]

20. Say it often enough

it will become fact. This is Cheney's credo.

[Disturbed]

21. Bush mentioned al Zargawi..

in the debate.

Bush had three opps to assasinate al Zargawi before the illegal invasion of Iraq and declined to do so. Why?

[Thurston Howell IV]

22. This seems somewhat insane....

He seems to be just asking for Edwards to shove this up his ass on national television before an audience of millions. In fact, if Edwards doesn't nail him to the wall on this, I think my head will explode!

[trogdor]

23. PLEASE let him bring this weak-assed shit on Tuesday.

Do ya think John Edwards will call him "Meat" when he does?

[PSU84]

24. Edwards should be ready to attack on this point

He ought to pound Cheney with the 9/11 Commission Report.

[Maestro]

25. I want Edwards to say

I feckin' can't stand what the GOP has turned into, an extremist, idealogical, band of arrogant brothers who can not offer more than to say, "It's hard work." "These folks are bad." "We have to fight, fight, fight, fight."

Whatever, Bin Laden was telling Arabs that soon the US would attack an Arab country. He hated American boots being on Arab soil. We should have been hunting his sorry POS ass instead of looking at some loser, POS dictator, who had NO FECKING TIES TO AL-QAEDA. Instead we invade, find no WMD's, thousands of troops die, and we hand Bin Laden exactly what he wanted on a silver platter, an unathorized invasion of an Arab country. Hell Saddam wasn't even that liked in the region and now we have created sympathy for the b*stard.

Way to go Cheney/Bush/Rove/Rice/Powell/Wolfowitz.