DEM FLASHED 'WRITE' STUFF AT DEBATE.

[msanthrope]

The New York Post has an article, claiming that they reviewed Fox New's feed...It was a pen, after all.

What they are not mentioning is that if you look at the feed provided by the link below, Bush is clearly seen unfolding something........

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm

Many blogs offered links to the "Pocket-gate" footage. One, INDC Journal, even posted frame-by-frame stills purporting to show Kerry pulling out a notecard and placing it onto the podium.

But the mystery was solved when The Post reviewed a Fox News Channel feed from Thursday's debate: Kerry pulled out . . . a black pen.

Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade remained angry at the bloggers' guilt-by-insinuation.

"The right-wing attack machine will say anything to steal a debate do-over," he said. "We plead guilty to having a pen."

The Bush campaign did not comment.


Take a look at the footage of Bush unfolding something...warning, Repuke site....
http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/winners-never-cheat.html

[truthisfreedom]

1. hah. it does look like bush is pulling something out... of his sleeve!

look carefully!

[Robbien]

2. Hope he pulls the same thing out of his sleeve next time too

:evilgrin:

[CatWoman]

10. Hey, Rocky -- watch me pull something out of my hat

[Richardo]

46. "But that trick NEVER works!!"

:hi:

[Bunny]

48. Nothing up my sleeve.

Presto!

[PhuLoi]

59. Hey Rocky! Watch me pull my head out of my ass!

eom

[merh]

11. It does look like * pulled something from his sleeve

and unfolded it on the podium. What a jerk - what a bunch of a**holes!

[shaolinmonkey]

32. unfortunately, it was the cheat sheet from one of his Harvard

business exams. grabbed the wrong suit. damn.

bwwwhahahahahaha.

[GiovanniC]

54. What Did It Say?

"It's hard work... let me finish... it's hard work loving her the best I can... and don't forget POLAND!"

What a shitty cheat sheet.

[demokatgurrl]

26. Oh, I guess it would be just too obvious...

to say Bush pulled his whole debate out of his ass.

[arcos]

3. well, remember terrorists were planning to use pen-weapons like James Bond

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

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[ClintonTyree]

5. Not to mention.............

(well, I'm going to mention it) What was that THING Bush had stuffed up under his suit coat running up his spine? I'm guessing some sort of prosthetic to keep the spineless moron from collapsing into a pile of slush on the floor. I'm surprised some curious journalist (there has to be ONE left in this country, doesn't there?) hasn't asked that question.

[malachi]

17. I noticed that also. Someone suggested it was

a bullet proof vest. I think it was his monkey tail.

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[SideshowScott]

7. Thats all they got REALLY?? PLEASE let them make an issue out of it!

I suppose they needed SOMETHING to give to the news whores and Right wing Radio to feed to the bummed out Bush voters who KNOW that bush got beat like a drum. But gezze talk about reaching..When the same people who watched the debate saw Bush with some notes as well. I suppose those were just pointers huh? And i really think Bush had an earpiece getting answers..That near 5 second blinkfest after a question proved that to me. But thats all they got? that Kerry had NOTES? HA! HA!

[Stockholm]

8. Media is focusing on the wrong person...

They should analyze movements of * instead. He would be a master cheater.

How else could he graduate from those Ivy league schools?

[Gothamite]

9. graduate?

The same way he got in, natuarally. Help from Daddy and his friends.

[Stephanie]

12. Welcome to DU, Gothamite!

From a fellow New Yorker. :hi:

[alarcojon]

13. Great Kerry campaign response

The right-wing attack machine will say anything to steal a debate do-over. We plead guilty to having a pen.

Points out the tactic, then holds it up for ridicule.

The same guy, David Wade, similarly had a great response to the fake Carl Cameron story: America would be stronger if only George Bush could admit his mistakes as easily.

[Francine Frensky]

22. Freeps need to get over it, their guy lost

[KDLarsen]

14. For those not interested in the ads on the site..

.. I know I'm not - here's the direct link, just right-click & Save Target As:
http://dailyrecycler.typepad.com/blog/files/cue_cards.WMV

Is it OK with the mods?

[msanthrope]

18. I thank you for that----n/t

[Chiyo-chichi]

15. Their favorite tactic

is to accuse the Democrats of the very things they do themselves.
Benjamin Ginsberg, after resigning as a campaign legal advisor, talked about the "Kerry Smear Machine." They LIE and call us LIARS. They attack the wrong country, a country where Al Qaeda was NOT active, causing terrorists to flood in, and say that OUR side can't be trusted to protect America.

Hey, Republican idiots, JOHN KERRY DOESN'T NEED A CHEAT SHEET! He is intelligent and has a masterful command of the facts. That is a foreign concept to them.

[robbedvoter]

16. Projection: their accusations are their confessions

[Rose Siding]

19. blank-GATE

These reporters, thinking themselves too cute by half, are comparing the delusions of right-wing bloggers with high crimes. They've no perspective at all.

[Toucano]

20. Sore Losers!

Do they really think this helps them?

[snippy]

21. Here is what I think happened.

Kerry probably took a bright shiny object out of his pocket which he then showed to Bush. At first I thought it might have been a brand new penny or a piece of tinfoil but now it appears to be a shiny pen. A bright shiny object like that would distract Bush and ordinarily entertain him for hours. Rove and Cheney probably give him a similar reward when he performs as instructed. Bush's frustration and confusion at the debate was due to the fact that he was not given the bright shiny object even though he performed the conditioned response. His reference to "hard work" probably was a way of saying that he had performed as instructed and thus had earned the bright shiny object.

This seems like the most likely explanation.

[Oilwellian]

23. What is this on Bush's back?

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2004_10_03_digbysblog_archive.html

[PATRICK]

24. the Puppetmasters

by Heinlein. Two movies. Anyone have the graphics of the parasite mind controlling aliens attached to the upper spine?

[Kierkegaard]

36. It's his pull cord. Unfortunately, there was no one there that night

to pull it for him, and so he attempted to speak extemporaneously. Oops!

[GoddessOfGuinness]

51. This explains Kerry's pocket pen...

The pen contained a tiny radio signal jammer set at precisely the frequency that Democratic agents recommended based on their espionage.

This is why Kerry smiled so gleefully as he used his pen to "take notes". Dumbyass never had a chance to cheat! No fair! :evilgrin:

Ok, so my imagination's in hyperdrive; but it'd make a great Bond movie!

[peacemeal]

25. A picture of Bush's cheat sheet

It looks like typed text.

[RememberTheCoup]

29. Can someone enlarge that?

If the picture is sharp enough, could someone zoom in on that and post it here?

[Occulus]

44. zoomed in, it looks like a bound pamphlet

[GoddessOfGuinness]

52. Probably a set of guidelines...

Is there a similar shot of Kerry's lecturn?

[dean_dem]

41. It's even more encouraging that he was using a cheat sheet....

So even though has the typed answers sitting in front of him, he still can't do anything but stammer like a drunk monkey.

[kymar57]

58. Even if true

All it said was "mixed messages" Wrong war,wrong place,wrong time"

[JusticeForAll]

27. Let's have a do-over!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

These morons just drive me nuts! Please, Kerry vs. Bush any day any topic. (excluding topics such as "My failed business ventures", "My missed military physicals" and "My prior substance addictions", each of which Kerry does not have previous experience he could honestly discuss.)

[vajraroshana]

28. looked like a handkerchief...

That Kerry took out and unfolded, because it looks kinda like he wiped his hands and then put it down.

The repugs are just being pathetic here. They can't imagine anyone could be prepared without resorting to cheating. Can we all say "psychological projection"?

But what I really want to know is what is up with the cheesey 70s porn-music that the dailyrecycler movie clip is playing over this footage?

And also, yes, what is that thing in *'s back?

[goodboy]

30. Spies Like Us...Chevy Chase, cheating on the test...(nt)

[The Chronicler]

31. I just remembered something CRITICAL

After the debate was over and the candidates had left the stage, a man in a suit walked onto the stage and took something off of Bush's podium and then walked away. ANYONE REMEMBER THIS?

[RememberTheCoup]

33. What network were you watching?

Thank goodness for TIVO and similar recording devices. Everything's out there somewhere.

[The Chronicler]

34. CNN or CSPAN (nm)

[Wednesdays]

45. Not only do I remember it, I have it on tape!

I just re-played my C-SPAN recording. The instant Kerry leaves the stage, a man walks quickly to Bush's podium, snatches up what appears to be a booklet or a stack of loose papers, and exits the opposite side of the set. It happens 1 minute 20 seconds after Lehrer's comments to close the debate, for those who want to see it for themselves.

[RememberTheCoup]

47. Do you recognize the man?

Any way you can post a screen shot here?

[rocktivity]

35. I KNEW it wasn't a piece of paper--he didn't handle it like one

My best guess was a handkerchief that he unfolded to have ready in case he started sweating. And if it broke the rules for him to use it, I forgive him because I'm the same way. I'm hooked on Uni-ball Onyx Micros, and I usually pull one out of my bag even when a pen has already been provided.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Flint-oid]

37. Video in standard and slow mo; photos standard and enlarged

http://americablog.blogspot.com/

[sysoprock]

38. The conservative bloggers crack me up.

Still high from their time in the spotlight regarding "Memo-gate" they try to do it again with this outrageous "Kerry Cheated" claim after their boy got his ass whooped in the debate.

It reminds me of when a little kid does something funny, and you laugh, and then he keeps doing it over and over trying to get the same reaction, but by then its just annoying.

[newyawker99]

61. Hi sysoprock!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[RememberTheCoup]

39. Incidentally, here are the debate rules in full...

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/deb04main/debateagreement.pdf

[sofa king]

40. The President's hands.

Thanks to KDLarsen for the link. I've put together an animated .gif which shows the President apparently clicking a pen as well. But is that also a piece of paper in his hands in the early part of the segment?



You'll need better and more reputable investigators to work on that. My credibility was already shot in the creation of this little montage:

[RememberTheCoup]

43. Well, they were allowed to take notes.

Technically, any writing instruments or blank paper to write on were supposed to be handed over to debate officials who would check them out and place them on the candidate's podium before the debate. I can see this being more important for the paper than the pen, although strictly speaking Kerry should not have taken his pen out. It may be that the debate authorities looked over Kerry's pen ahead of time and then just handed it back to him. I imagine these things often deviate slightly from the written "script".

Kerry very openly took notes during the debate when Bush was speaking. That was allowed by the rules. I didn't see Bush taking any notes, but it's possible he did so off camera. So a page full of writing in front of Bush does not necessarily indicate that he cheated. To prove that, you would need to show that the paper contained writing before Bush had a chance to write anything. Or you would have to show Bush NOT taking any notes up to the point where the page full of notes was shown. I think this can be done by a committed person who has access to a copy of the debate video. CNN showed a split screen the entire time, correct?

EDIT: Also, obviously if Bush's notes were typewritten or in someone else's handwriting, that too would prove that Bush cheated. Hope some of you tech-savvy DUers keep working on getting the best blow-up images you can.

[Dr Fate]

42. Cry-baby, Sore Loserman Republicans at "hard work" again.

This shit IS HARD WORK isnt it?

So why not step aside and let Kerry/Edwards do it- they dont MIND hard work- they've done it their whole lives.

They dont NEED cheat-sheets- and they dont whine & cry, hunch & grimace when they are faced with challenges.

[Cronus Protagonist]

63. You said "hard work" teee he heeee

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[demoman123]

50. They BOTH unfold something.

I don't care what the NY Post says. Kerry unfolds something. The news is that Bush does too.

[RememberTheCoup]

53. Can you provide video here?

The candidates were allowed to take notes, they just weren't allowed to bring in pre-written notes. We should focus on trying to prove that Bush had pre-written notes (if he did). Of course, all pens and blank paper were supposed to have been inspected and placed on the podiums ahead of time. They may have been inspected and erroneously given back to the candidate(s). Or, they might never have been inspected. We wouldn't be able to tell that from the video. It would require interviewing the people involved.

[demoman123]

55. Here's a video link.

http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/winners-never-cheat.html

The rules were that candidates were supposed to submit note taking materials to debate officials, who would place them on the lectern.

[RememberTheCoup]

56. But how do we know it wasn't the debate officials who "screwed up"?

First, I still can't make much out in the video, but if Fox News is vouching for Kerry, why would you doubt it? They don't exactly have a bias for Kerry. As I said, it's possible one or both candidates submitted their note taking materials to debate officials who checked them over and erroneously handed them back to the candidates. I do think there might be something to this story, but it will take some resourceful and tech-savvy DUer to investigate the video and find something substantive.

[demoman123]

57. The rules were: no notes; and submit blank pads etc. to officials

And I don't trust Fox even when they say something I like.

[progressivebydesign]

62. It's a pen case!!! sheesh. n/t

[neuvocat]

60. Just one question:

how in the hell does anyone expect Kerry to be stupid enough not to get caught in front of the cameras like that?