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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 12:56 AM
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Rumsfeld Sees Retaking of Samarra as Model
NEW YORK, Oct. 4 -- Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Monday portrayed the retaking of the Iraqi city of Samarra over the weekend by U.S. and Iraqi forces as a model for military action he said is likely to be needed to reestablish government control elsewhere in Iraq.

"What has to be done in that country is what basically was done in Samarra over the last 48 hours," he told an audience here at the Council on Foreign Relations.

With Sunni insurgents operating with virtual impunity in a number of areas in central Iraq, U.S. and Iraq officials have warned of a series of coming military offensives to restore order in advance of of national elections scheduled for January. Rumsfeld outlined a series of steps for dealing with these strongholds of resistance, starting with diplomacy, followed by threatening force and finally using force.

"That's what happened in Samarra," Rumsfeld said. "And my guess is that what you'll see in that country is the government of Iraq systematically deciding that they are not going to accept the idea of safe havens and foreign terrorists and former regime elements running around threatening and killing people."

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7182-2004Oct4.html
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 12:58 AM
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1. Yes, but how many did we slaughter, Mr. Rumsfeld?
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 01:00 AM by oldhat
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:50 AM
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11. "when I hear the words 'Homeland Security'...
I get this funny twitch in my right arm"


- Something Dr. Strangelove should have said
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 01:00 AM
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2. Reminds me of what local cities will do with undesirables
except with military force. Around here, when the kids from other communities start congregating and scare the good white people, police step up their presence and harrass the kids until they move on to the next community.

My point is, they may get Iraq under control...but only because the 'insurgents' have completed training and are ready to move on. Ready and waiting for orders to be deployed in combat operations elsewhere...like the USA.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 01:05 AM
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4. War Criminal
This Sociopath should be in prison for at least 20 years.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 01:05 AM
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3. somebody should gag this disgusting animal
these lies and massacres will not shield them forever, however comfortably they direct this campaign of murder for now.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 01:06 AM
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5. As one might expect, reports say that the "insurgents" were
already gone before the raid started, safe to fight some other day.
Quite a model indeed.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 01:22 AM
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6. veit nam..the enemy blended back into the jungle
iraq-the enemy blended back into the city
god are these people stupid.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:27 AM
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10. Exactly. These neocons think the lessons of history are beneath them.
"Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it." Kerry and Edwards need to say this and keep saying it.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 01:45 AM
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7. "What has to be done in that country ..."

IOW, go in and indescriminately slaughter as many people as possible, establish rule with an iron fist, summarily execute anyone who resists, and then spout off about what a wonderful world we've created while the blood drips from your fangs.

Fuck you, Rumsfeld. You sicken me.

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kokomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 01:51 AM
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8. Drop 1000 lb bombs from 30,000 feet.....shows real bravery and heroism.
Indiscriminately killing women, children, old people. What a way to win their hearts and minds, convert them to liberty and democracy.

Hell, Georgians still hate General Sherman after 140 years. We will have generations of Iraqis hating the USA. Bush a uniter -- my ass!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:52 AM
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13. Wow. Sounds like what Saddam did.
I thought we were supposed to have vanquished evil and brought a regime of democracy and freedom
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 06:06 AM
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9. Does this mean the two thousand attacks we experience
...per month now are over?
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:51 AM
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12. Speculation on ambush of a USconvoy
The gunner on the Abrams Main Battle Tank is out in the
lead there maybe 10 meters between each vehicle,making up
40 meters.The tanks gunners eyes peel around
constantly looking for danger or movement.He sees long
grass to his left and a bridle of palm trees the leaves swaying
in the gentle breeze,in the distance there is a lot of rubble
from bombed buildings and open type rock ground spreadin
a couple of kilometers ending with a small ridge
outline.
20 seconds comes back over the microphone.The Kornet
tank guy will hit the lead Abrams to the left of the ambush as
the vehicles are coming from right to left this will leave the
other vehicle smack in the middle of the RPG gunners.At 2
km the laser tracking of the kornet missle system is following
the tank smak in the central line below the turret,the laser
marks the point on the viewfinder.10 seconds he shouts
down the microphone.Everyone is ready now.A deep
steadying breath by everyone.All six men are counting down
in there minds 10,9,8,7 on zero the sniper has the top gunner
of the tail bradley in his X8 scope the gunners head as large
as life,cross hairs of the middle of the soldiers kevlar helmet,
it will make no difference with an explosive tipped
sniper round,he pulls the trigger a sudden crack that is
drowned out and not heard over the vehicles engine noise.
The gunners head instantly crack back and to the right as
the round forces it through the kevlar,killing the
soldier instantly,sniper focuses on the next vehicles gunner,
he can hear the ting sound of the empty cartridge being
expelled and the new round being loaded.He moves slightly
an expert sniper and within a fraction of a second the
next gunner is in the crosshairs of the sight,trigger pulled
and blissfully unawares as his head is blown clean
off.

Not speculation:
Many people do not seem to realise that Iraq had and has
as many as 50,000 special forces,these are all
Russian Spesnaz trained each man is highly able and
motivated in Assymetric warfare these men split into
small teams.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=884635#884944
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:35 PM
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14. Where did you get that from?
Can you post a link plz?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:38 PM
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15. They're gonna have Democracy if we have to kill every last one
of them. New US policy.
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