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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 02:37 AM
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'Che's Trail' in Bolivia Traces Guevara's Demise
'Che's Trail' in Bolivia Traces Guevara's Demise

Mon Oct 4, 6:04 PM ET Movies - Reuters

LA PAZ, Bolivia (Reuters) - Tourists and political pilgrims can now follow "Che's trail" in Bolivia, which traces Ernesto Guevara's fatal attempt to export the Cuban revolution to one of Latin America's poorest countries.

Authorities opened the trail on Monday, allowing visitors to travel the same route through Bolivian villages and remote countryside that Guevara's small band of revolutionaries took before they were defeated by the Bolivian army.

The opening of the trail coincides with the release of "The Motorcycle Diaries," a critically acclaimed film that depicts a young Guevara on his motorbike trip through Argentina, Chile and Peru.

Guevara, an Argentine, became an icon after helping Fidel Castro (news - web sites) lead the Cuban revolution. His beret-wearing image still appears on T-shirts worldwide. Soldiers captured and executed him in October 1967, cutting short his ambition to turn Latin America into "one, two, three Vietnams."

The five-day trip on "Che's trail" includes a visit to the Quebrada del Yuro, where the injured Guevara was captured, and La Higuera, the village where he was executed.
(snip/...)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041004/film_nm/bolivia_guevara_dc_2



Che Guevara after being shot and captured,
standing by Cuban "exile" Felix Rodriguez,
who stole his watch after he was killed.





Same Felix Rodriquez, a couple of decades later,sitting in
the Vice-President's quarters with George H. W. Bush.




Christmas note from the Elected President
Bush to his friend, Felix Rodriguez.




George Bush and Felix Rodriguez

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Che Guevara was killed October 9, 1967.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 04:23 AM
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1. great post JudiLyn!
That GHWB had has his dirty fingerprints everywhere doesn't he?
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 10:19 AM
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2. Interesting. Can you give your sources of the pictures?
Mininstrel Boy mentioned the same in his Blog, but the sources are lacking there as well. Thanks.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:13 AM
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4. Right. Here they are.........
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 11:15 AM by JudiLyn
Che Guevara, shot, and Felix Rodriguez:
http://w1.1559.telia.com/~u155900388/drommen.htm


Cuban "exile," Felix Rodriguez and Vice President George H. W. Bush at the Vice President's residence:
http://www.parascope.com/ds/papertrail/papertrail0498.htm#bush


Christmas note from George Bush to Felix Rodriguez:
http://www.parascope.com/ds/papertrail/felixNote.htm

Felix Rodrguez and George Bush:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/

The images can be located elsewhere, but these leap out quickly on a search. They will occur within article written about Felix Rodriguez, "AKA Max Gomez," as he has had a long career as a CIA-trained character active over decades in violent anti-"leftwing" pursuits all over the world.


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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 12:11 PM
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7. Thank you very much, JudiLyn! n/t
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demoman123 Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 10:44 PM
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11. Rodriguez aka Max Gomez still wears Che's watch.
It's a Rolex.
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slojim240 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:06 AM
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3. Great find!! Judi, you're the best!
I hear ya, 'loud and clear.'
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:17 AM
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5. Hi, there, slojim240!
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 11:26 AM by JudiLyn
Thanks a lot. It was a shock learning George H. W. Bush was connected even to this scum! On edit: (Felix Rodriguez, that is)
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 06:14 PM
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18. Those Bushies
have their dirty fat greedy fingers into everything. :mad:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:20 AM
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6. Che's trail is incomplete.
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 11:22 AM by Minstrel Boy
And one day, I swear to God, it's going to lead right up to these doors.


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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 07:26 PM
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8. Che's The Most Significant and Beloved 20th Century Political Figure
I know I ruffled some feathers last week stating this, but here I am repeating it again...because it's true.

Thanks, JudiLyn.
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:12 PM
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9. Yeah. Never mind Gandhi, Roosevelt, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Churchill
Nah, much better to attribute that to a over-romanticized sloppy revolutionary who grew up to be a major player in the T-shirt industry.

"Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man" should have been, "Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man who was trying to overthrown your gov't violently and surrendered to the same people he was trying to kill." Duh.

Good call.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:41 PM
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14. Beloved? Hitler is Beloved? Stalin is Beloved?
You write, "Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man who was trying to overthrown your gov't violently" falsely attributing your own words as a quotation of Che. You and Carl Cameron have a lot in common it seems.

And just a short American history lesson for you: George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin plotted and participated in the violent overthrow of the established government.

Do yourself a favor: travel around the world a bit and then see just how beloved Che is. I am only telling you the way it is. Sorry it got such a rise out of you.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 02:44 AM
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12. He gathered a fairly large group of admirers, after all, didn't he?
A quote I just discovered:
"Che was the most complete human being of our age." - Jean Paul Sartre
I noted the post following yours commented on his "sloppiness." It would seem hard to avoid a certain scruffiness for guerrillas living
outdoors for ages, would it not? Sheesh. Some folks, I tell ya!

A photo of a "spiffier" version of Ché Guevara would look like this one:



He was very busy, however, and not too caught up in vanity. Actually, there's not much value in vanity, anyway, is there? Causes a lot of suffering.



Yeah, poor guy was a real wreck, wasn't he? :eyes:
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 02:46 AM
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13. sloppy is a fair charge on certain grounds
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 02:46 AM by Aidoneus
I don't believe he meant appearances..

I happen to count myself among his admirers, but there are some matters he had fatally misjudged with catastrophic results.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:39 PM
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10. did they get into the fact that Che only murdered defenseless Peasants
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 07:28 PM
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19. you contradict yourself
by claiming something false as "a fact."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:30 AM
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15. Che is back -- But what does Che mean this time?
Che Guevara
Aired: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8-9PM ET




"Che" Guevara was a superstar of romantic and real rebellion in the 1960s. Born Ernesto Guevara to a well-off Argentine family in 1928, the man who became globally known as Che was a key ally of Fidel Castro in Cuba's revolution. He traveled Latin America and beyond with a message of revolutionary anti-imperialism. Thirty-seven years ago this week he was captured and executed, on orders of the CIA, in Bolivia.

And now, Che is back. He's back in the movies, back in popular culture and imagination, and interestingly, he's back at a time when the word "imperialism" is in vogue again. But what does Che mean this time?

Tonight we'll hear about the surprising return of Che Guevara.

http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2004/10/20041007_b_main.asp
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 01:25 PM
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16. Robert Kennedy on Che:
When the mood was on him, he permitted himself revolutionary fancies. "What do you think of Che Guevara?" he once asked Roger Baldwain.

"I think he's a bandit," Baldwin said. "What do you think?"

"I think he's a revolutionary hero."

-- From Arthur Schlesinger's "Robery Kennedy and His Times," page861

Clearly people can have different views on Che. A few DUers hold beliefs similar to Roger Baldwin. But many more believe what Robert Kennedy believed. It's curious that the Roger Baldwins among us express such hostility to the Robert Kennedy school of thought.

I again note that Ernesto was a Lynch on his father's side. He was from the County Galaway clans from Ireland. Perhaps we would do well to keep this in mind.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 06:12 PM
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17. Well, if he was good enough for
Robert Kennedy...he is good enough for me. :thumbsup:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 08:51 PM
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20. "Hey You Gevara!"
Edited on Tue Oct-12-04 08:52 PM by Minstrel Boy
From the poem by Canada's "people's poet", Milton Acorn:

Hey you Guevara!
It isn't fit at a Communist funeral
To say there will be none nobler than you -
There shall be nobler, as you if you had lived, would
have become nobler
As nobility will become the property of any person,
Born into or soon learned,
As nobility will become a simple reflex
Buried among emotions which will be nobler still
And for which today we have no names.

Hey You Guevara! What about your enemies?
What'll we tell our children about your enemies?
In times that'll come? In times when they'll no longer exist?
When no such type of Human as they are will be known?
As we invented Santa Claus, God and the Devil
We'll have - for the sake of children's stories -
to invent some other
enemies,
Dragons perhaps, or
Vampires
To later explain those Dragons, Vampires;
Were Bourgeois, Imperialist
And Human.
A sort of Human no longer known.


My heart's a kicking embryo
Where all who live, lived, or might have lived
Grow questioning everything but life.
I do not believe Guevara's death
Or anyone elses, or my own.


Milton Acorn, 1923-1986
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