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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 01:48 AM
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Los Angeles Times: Republicans Glad to Lose on Bill to Start New Draft
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-draft6oct06,1,5027113.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Republicans Glad to Lose on Bill to Start New Draft

The hasty House vote 'putting a rumor to rest' is 402-2. Democrats call the tactic a sham that trivialized the problem of troop shortages.
By Faye Fiore and Richard Simon
Times Staff Writers

October 6, 2004

WASHINGTON — Seeking to dispel suggestions that the war in Iraq could lead to reinstatement of the draft, House Republicans on Tuesday hastily brought the idea to a vote — with the express intent of shooting it down.

The vote, launched with only hours of notice and no public hearings, was designed to put an end to talk that President Bush's foreign policy could overtax the all-volunteer Army that has been national policy since the end of the Vietnam War.

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Speculation about a draft has grown in intensity as tours of duty in Iraq have grown longer, more National Guard forces have been called up and recruitment has sagged. Some military authorities have questioned whether the United States' armed forces are large enough to defeat the insurgents in Iraq and meet military needs elsewhere.

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But the idea remains politically explosive — especially among young people and their parents — at the height of a presidential election campaign. In a recent survey by the Alliance for Security, a Washington-based project to establish a dialogue about national security, more than half of those polled voiced concern that the United States could be headed for a draft "in the near future."

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Only Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) and Rep. Pete Stark (D-Hayward) voted for the measure.

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rjbny62 Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 07:52 AM
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1. fact is they won't need this bill to start a draft
this is a political play
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:15 AM
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2. Correct....and most people don't know that fact.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:35 AM
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3. Is it an executive order, or how is it implemented?
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rjbny62 Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 01:11 PM
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5. correct me if i am wrong, but it needs an act of congress
the Rangel bill is a non-starter because it would draft females, and that isn't acceptable to the majority. Apparently Rangel knew this and is actually anti-war himself (http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0106-04.htm).

What is much more significant is that Selective Service System is very busy tuning the system and making everything ready to be able to institute a draft, including filling draft boards and making arrangements for alternative service organizations (see performance plan - http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html for more details). They are supposed to report to the president by the end of March 2005, with the first people being drafted by June 15 if they had the approval. Right now both sides say they would be against this, but with a military that is stretched thin, and escalating tensions all over the world, it wouldn't take much to swing opinion over. Anyway, it seems like it would be much more sensible to elect a president who doesn't lead the country into unneccesary wars that simply increase the chances that a draft will be required in order to protect the nation. The current president has done this once, what will stop him from doing it again? I think that is the relevant issue.
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craiga86 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:40 AM
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4. Yea...I mean they were pretty straight-forward
about the Patriot Act. This means absolutely nothing. They may say that they won't allow a draft, but when push comes to shove, as we've seen in the past, the draft will find its way through if they need it. It is impossible to try and fix Iraq, and deal with Iran and N. Korea . This is a direct result of diverting the majority of the troops in Iraq. These are the consequences of bad decisions by the administration, and the only way they can come close to fixing their situation is either leave Iraq and take care of business, continue ignoring Iran and North Korea and reamin in Iraq, or implement a draft and try to remain in Iraq, while keeping Iran and N. Korea under control.

Sadam wasn't even the biggest threat, and since 9 out 10 troops are there right now in Iraq, we're in a mess and now other more powerful threats are getting more powerful. And these guys are supposedly stronger on Homeland Security?

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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 01:28 PM
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6. Isn't this a different bill? They don't give the bill number, but this
article talks about mandating two years of military or civilian service for all men and women 18 to 26 years old.

What was that other skuttle-butt here on DU about a special skills draft that was being set into motion for men and women up to the age of 45?

Anyone know what's really going on?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 01:33 PM
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7. Draft info is on blatanttruth.org
http://blatanttruth.org

Even has PDFs of the documents
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 01:37 PM
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8. Thanks. Is this another bait and switch tactic? n/t
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 02:56 PM
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9. Kick
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 02:59 PM
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10. Mr. RANGEL on the floor
The Chair recognizes the gentleman from New York (Mr. Rangel).

Mr. RANGEL. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.

Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of this bill because it gives this great august body an opportunity for the first time to discuss whether or not the administration or the party in the majority intends to have a draft .

I suspect that one of the reasons that this has to be cleared up before the election, the evidence clearly indicates that everyone in the Pentagon, the Defense Department, has indicated that we need a robust military force in Iraq. All of the evidence indicates that we have exhausted our active troops; we are exhausting the Reserves; we are exhausting the National Guard.

We have a back-door draft , where we do not let people who enlisted and have finished their term get out. In addition to that, the Army is over there in combat. Where the normal term is 1 year, the Pentagon has indicated they are going to reduce it to 6 months, to go along with what the Marines do, because of fatigue.

It just seems to me as many times as the administration says that they are against a draft , all we hear on the Internet and around the country is that, after the election, they are going to have the draft .

If they are going to have the draft , I support this legislation, even though, quite frankly, I would have preferred that the bill be referred to the Committee on Armed Services, because I think it is important enough to have hearings on this matter and for the administration to really show why they really do not need to get people through an involuntary conscription.

But since they knew I had this bill and since they knew it was election time, I rise in support of the bill, even though I would gladly yield to the committees of jurisdiction, because it just seems to me that, if we abuse the system by continually taking legislation for the purpose of embarrassment and not in order to say that it is so noncontroversial that we should put it on the suspension calendar, then, no matter who is in the majority, we are violating every principle of the House, and that is the reason why the Parliamentarian and the Speaker have decided that I am in control of the time.

This system should be used only when there is no controversy. But I am not a Member of the House that runs away from controversy. Those who run away from it are those people who have the responsibility to discuss bills in the committee with hearings and bring the legislation so the American public can see what you do believe before an election.

But now you cannot even decide who is for the bill, who is for consideration, ``I want it up; I want it down.'' It is a political thing that you are using that determines the lives of people as to who fights in wars and who is exempt from wars and who should do national service.

It is a disgrace, what is going on here today, and you cannot find anyone to put the blame on. You are against your own bill. It came out of your Committee on Rules. You have the majority. But yet you need some way, some vehicle.

And just because justice does not cave in to people who are hypocritical in nature, we got the time to tell you why we support the bill and why we oppose the bill. But, unfortunately, we are doing this on the suspension calendar. The majority, I guess, will say that this is a noncontroversial issue, because if you do not admit that it is controversial, then you are saying that it should not have been on this calendar in the first place.

Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r108:4:./temp/~r1...


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