Killer flu recreated in the lab

[lovuian]

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=52302b2aba7a8899&cat=c08dd24cec417021

Killer flu recreated in the lab


Some experts believe a flu pandemic is overdue
Scientists have shown that tiny changes to modern flu viruses could render them as deadly as the 1918 strain which killed millions.
A US team added two genes from a sample of the 1918 virus to a modern strain known to have no effect on mice.

Animals exposed to this composite were dying within days of symptoms similar to those found in human victims of the 1918 pandemic.


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!@#$%^& I can't believe they are proud of themselves for recreating this horrific virus....:argh:

[Maple]

1. You can't study it

and build a defence against it any other way.

[GHOSTDANCER]

10. Yes but making a little is one thing. Stockpyling arsenals with tons

upon tons of this bullshit only to have to spend money and burn the shit in our backyards is another.

[Chicago Democrat]

25. Only by recreating it can they make a vaccine...

so its OK... Really. This isnt Russia. Its not going to "escape".

[Donkeyboy75]

39. Where does it say that tons upon tons are being

stocked? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[ClintonTyree]

2. Any bets................

as to how long it will be before it's "accidentally" released? No tinfoil hat here, you KNOW it will happen.

[bahrbearian]

3. October Surpise !!!!!

[lovuian]

Yes You can't tell me after the Anthrax theft from

our Military fcilities that this virus is safely protected from theft

yes Bioterrorism and we are creating it

[fortyfeetunder]

19. Just in time with the flu vaccine shortage

I can see it now, not enough flu vaccine, and the killer flu escapes.

What will the Pro-Lifers say?

[lovuian]

20. Yes your right!!! Everybody is Shocked that Shortage of Vaccine

is happening at this critical time...Flu Season

And actually I have heard that health care workers will be one of the first group to get the vaccinations

In other words many people will not be able to get it this year

Not Available

:crazy:

[fortyfeetunder]

22. Guess I'll get my will up to date

Figure at my job, people come to work sicker than dogs, so I can expect to be infected. And I want my kid to be taken care of in case of the worst

[Donkeyboy75]

41. It's not available because a British company that was

producing it made substandard quality vaccinations. Not because they suddenly stopped production. Jeez.

[rppper]

27. this reminds me of "The Stand".......

captain trips is on the loose......we all better get to denver...stop satans minions in las vegas.....theres a storm comin'!!!

[Sin]

32. 12

12 Monkeys is the movie that came to mind for me.
After a while I'm sure they wont be able to keep a lid on these things, that is at least the ability to make them.

[NickB79]

30. You can only make flu vaccine using existing strains

So even if you got the current flu vaccine, it would offer little protection against this or similar flu strains.

[Norquist Nemesis]

29. When I hear things like this going on

I'm quickly quickly reminded of the scientists who have died under mysterious circumstances. It's something that's never been highlighted by the mainstream media. Statistically, it becomes highly suspicious that the great minds working on bioterror have been dying...let alone in 'accidents'. :scared:

[aquart]

4. Uh, where are the flu shots for this killer?

JUST ASKING.

[lovuian]

5. There are none this flu killed Millions

until it died out on its own

It is very lethal

[VegasWolf]

6. Yes, specifically modified to target people with IQs over 120.

"Kerry has a 'chocolate chip' on his team", Limbaugh says
on his radio show after learning Jesse Jackson has joined the organization.

[iamjoy]

17. So That's The Plan!

If the virus kills everyone with an IQ over 120 there won't be any Democrats left :hurts:

[Radius]

7. This type of work is very common

Protein studies recreating CJD by building prions is an example.

You have to study things to cure them.

[lovuian]

9. Sometimes Science can create Monsters too

Try Nukes :nuke: That doesn't give license to do it

[Radius]

14. Nuclear energy is a perfect example

of science that can be used for good or bad. CT scan vs Thermonuclear Bomb, children of the same parent.

If you mean releasing it you are correct, but to fail to study a threat would be unwise.

[GHOSTDANCER]

23. Or DU? Or even West Nile was an accident wasn't it? or was that the bees?

[VegasWolf]

11. I think we all agree, just being a little humorous!

[lovuian]

13. Oh Sorry!!! LOL!!! I gotcha Lighten up

its just that I have seen a TV Special on the History channel about this epidemic and how researchers went in the files of the dead Military and obtained blood samples from the victims

This hunt to reproduce this virus has been quite a project for years

One of the most deadly viruses and they have been looking at the Plague too and how victims survived...

Actually Aids and the Plaque have similiarities on how they attack the immune system ....

Seems European ancestry since they survived the plague they have higher immunity than say South Americans and Africans and Chineese

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

21. WTF?

The plaque? The plaque? Scientists have dared to revive a killer strain of dental tartar? Oh, the humanity.

FYI, AIDS is collection of symptoms, HIV is a virus and 'the plaque', as you call it, is a bacteria. They attack the body in entirely different ways. A virus inserts itself into the DNA of a vulnerable cell and hijacks the replication mechanism to turn the cell into a factory for replicating itself. A bacteria is an animal consisting of a single cell that reproduces asexually (i.e., by cloning).

Bacteria can be invaded by viruses, just as cells in the body can, but viruses cannot be invaded by bacteria. Thus it would be impossible for the plaque to attack the immune system the way HIV does.

[lovuian]

26. I Am sorry I spelled it wrong but I want to make a point

Your right Aids is a Virus and the Bacteria Black death actually according to the documentary attack the Immune system very simmiliarly

They showed a gay man in the middle of the Sex Revolution when Aids rampaged San Francisco and the homosexual community was ravaged

This Man survived while all his friends died around him

Well after much testing they found his ancestors survived the Black Death that rampaged Europe ...He has been discovered He can never get Aids
because his Immune System adapted from his ancestors from the Black Death gives him protection this is all documented

So I know a Virus and a Bacteria are different but how they attack the Immune System can be very similiar

and sorry I spelled it wrong

[MsMagnificent]

8. I was JUST thinking about that today!

The best thing for an invasion: Kill the people, bury them and the properly innoculated take all their property.

Don't even have to rebuild... everything is just standing there, whole and waiting.


:(

[Radius]

15. This exists

with VX, existing biowarfare agents created by the Sovs and us. Bioagents have been around in modern war for 50 years. Smallpox is particularly worrisome.

Mass use of VX or a bioagent would cause the breakdown of even organized countries.

ERD nuclear weapons can theoretically kill and leave structure intact and minimal (relative) radioactive waste.

[DS1]

12. hmm, perhaps my tinfoil hat experience earlier today wasn't far off

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2458670&mesg_id=2458670

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

16. Looks like we wear our hats together

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=989358&mesg_id=989358

[lovuian]

18. Very Interesting theories Guys and as time goes on

We will see

We will see....

[ogradda]

24. for crying out loud

can't they find something better to do!:wtf:

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

28. They do not have the whole virus, just pieces of it

it has not been completely re-constructed

[NickB79]

31. Still trying to figure out why there are so many hostile reactions here

What these scientists have shown is that by modifying only very small regions of the viral genome, a common flu virus can become a monster. If anyone has studied the history of influenza, they would realize that these pandemic strains arise pretty regularly, usually once per century in densely populated areas. That means that, even if we don't recreate it in the lab, it will more than likely return within our lifetimes through natural mutations in the wild. The influenza virus mutates very rapidly, which is why we require new vaccines annually. Honestly, I'm surprised another killer flu hasn't hit yet, given the population densities of southeast Asia and the bird flu epidemics they've had the past few years. When it finally does happen, I would much prefer we have at least a semi-effective vaccine beforehand than to wait until it has killed millions worldwide.

Also, it would be wise to remember that the bodies of many of the victims that died in far-northern regions (such as Canada, Alaska and Russia) could potentially still harbor viable Spanish flu spores in their frozen remains. As the permafrost they are buried in thaws due to global warming, their bodies will become exposed once again, bringing with them these killer germs from the past century. As I said before, I would rather scientists work with man-made samples in the lab BEFORE this disease comes back.

[Briarius]

33. some people have the tin-foil on too tight

I don't get it either, there is a strong and seemingly vocal part of DU that seems to think that all scientists are out to destroy the world. I blame it on too many mad scientist movies :D

[truthisfreedom]

34. i 100% support flu research. it's absolutely necessary. it's the only

approach that's worked to help us with the flu so far.

knowing that a doomsday virus can exist may completely depend on building a model doomsday virus... these experiments have been going on for a long, long time, and responsible scientists can keep them safe while protecting the populus. talking about it openly is the best way to keep it out of the hands of spooks.

[noonwitch]

35. Too many people read or watched "The Stand"

Captain Trips. There is a fear that the disease will get out of the lab.

[Bridget Burke]

36. This is important research.

And it's being done in a University setting. Due to the problems with this year's flu vaccine, many will get the disease unnecessarily & some will die. And what would we do if a killer flu evolved again?

Public health is too important to depend on the pharmaceutical companies. We need funding to ensure safe vaccine for the current expected strains of flu. And research into the worst scenarios needs to continue.

[lovuian]

38. Hospital district has no flu vaccine

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2834686

Hospital district has no flu vaccine
The cancellation of its 60,000-dose order puts hospital district in a bind
By LEIGH HOPPER
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

Thousands of low-income adults won't be getting their annual flu shot from county health centers or hospitals this year because the Harris County Hospital District's entire 60,000-dose order has been canceled.



Infectious-disease experts with the hospital district, scrambling to solve the problem, will meet this afternoon to discuss options, particularly for patients at high risk of flu complications — including pregnant women and people with diabetes, heart disease, asthma and other problems.

"It's a mess. I wish we could grow this stuff ourselves," said hospital district spokesman Brian McLeod.

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We can make the Killer Flu.....but the vaccine that the population needs we can't....So whose kidding who

[Bridget Burke]

42. How did the work being done at the University of Wisconsin....

Cause the shoddy practices that led to the British manufacturer of flu vaccine being shut down?

We need research into the disease. We need vaccines against the strains currently in the wild. Encouraging ignorance won't help on either front.

[snowFLAKE]

37. Them Crazy Scientists are going to Kill Us All!!

[meow mix]

40. Randall Flagg, paging Randall Flagg..

plz pick up the white courtesy phone.

[lovuian]

43. Well Sars shut down Nations so its not a joke

Its something America needs to start getting prepared for thats for sure...

From What I have heard Flu Vaccine is being rationed out this year because of the shortage

American People believe it or not want their Flu Vaccine

[snowFLAKE]

44. SARS is scary

What with killing some 100 or so people last year, didn't it!??!

Let's shut down the Planet - that's the Only Prudent course of action. Influenza, which killed 100,000 or so, well that's an entirely different matter, let's keep business as usual going.


Similarly, Nuclear Power - VERY VERY SCARY - it caused something like 7 or 8 deaths last year. Any sane society would BAN IT NOW. And keep on using fossil fuels, heck, they only shortened the lives of a few million people last year and like Joe Stalin said - that's not murder, just a statistic.