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mourningdove92 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 01:04 PM
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Iran Would Welcome Kerry Camp Proposal-Official
Iran Would Welcome Kerry Camp Proposal-Official
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran would welcome a proposal by U.S. presidential candidate Senator John Kerry (news - web sites)'s running mate for a "great bargain" to solve the dispute over Tehran's nuclear program, a senior Iranian official said on Saturday.

Vice presidential candidate Senator John Edwards (news - web sites) has said that Kerry, a Democrat, would be willing to supply Iran with nuclear fuel for power generation if Tehran abandons its own fuel-making capability - if Iran did not accept this offer, it would confirm Iran wanted to make an atom bomb.

Iran earlier rejected the proposal, saying it would be "irrational" for Iran to jeopardize what it says is its purely civilian nuclear program by relying on supplies from abroad.

But in an apparent policy shift, Hossein Mousavian, head of the foreign policy committee at Iran's Supreme National Security Council, said Iran would review the proposal.

"Iran welcomes any constructive proposal from any American candidate," Mousavian told Reuters in an interview. "We are willing to consider constructive proposals from Americans," he added.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041009/ts_nm/iran_nuclear_kerry_dc
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 01:08 PM
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1. This is possibly good news.
It's not an endorsement, but it assures to me that there will be no definite conflict between Iran and a Kerry whitehouse. I'm not so sure about the incumbent.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 01:23 PM
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2. Yeah, but this would require talking to the Iranians. This, according to
Fearless Leader, would be giving them 'control' over American policy. No matter if it would lead to a safer situation in the Middle East, and be an incredible step forward into reducing the dangerous situation that bush* has created.

This is great! One of the members of the 'Axis of Evil' is willing to negotiate with Kerry if he becomes President. No one wants to deal with the Little Dictator. Anyone who constantly screams 'regime change' is plainly showing that he is a threat. We need to knock off the threats and try to defuse the situation in the Middle East with rational, civilized actions. This just proves that Kerry is more qualified and respected for the office of President.

With George, there is nothing but the prospect of more wars, more unnecessary deaths, more debt to our country. It's time a man who is respected because he is perceived as a real hero, both in his military service and in his denunciation of the evils and the incompetency of the leadership of the war he served in, be elected to head our country. Foreign leaders see intelligence, integrity, and courage in John Kerry. You can't say the same for the Unelected Fraud.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 01:31 PM
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3. Iran is not a paper tiger like Iraq was
This why the neocons dance all around going after them. They really don't have the resources to pull it off, without a lot of casualties on both sides and possibly the unleashing of WMDs.

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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 01:38 PM
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5. Exactly. Without opening a dialogue it's a hopeless struggle we face...
And the real "War on Terra" will be won with words, not bombs.
Dim Son doesn't have the vocabulary to fight it...JK does.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 06:50 PM
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14. Yes, that's so true
When will it get through to * & Co. that there is no military solution. * doesn't even have to do the talking. He can leave that to those who have the vocabulary. He is just too stubborn, and thinks refusing to negotiate is a strength.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:12 PM
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42. Give control over American policy restricting Iran's nuclear capability???
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 01:37 PM
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4. K/E already demonstrating their value/mettle with "these people" --
can we say that "wood is on the way?" LOL LOL LOL

Read full story and rate it on yahoo.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 02:09 PM
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6. haven't even been elected and yet they are doing a lot more than Bush
Kerry was right, just because Bush can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 03:04 PM
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7. Very interesting, I wonder what Kerry will do with that.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 03:32 PM
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8. This lends credibility to both Iran and K/E
It's past time to peace out
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 04:25 PM
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9. Giving Iran nuclear material is dumb.
:eyes:
Even if they couldn't use it in bomb manufacturing, it could be used to build radiological weapons that could be passed to terrorists. It would be like giving a known mugger a pistol and a mask to see if he really wants to be a bank robber, too.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 04:30 PM
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10. I understand that concern
But I also think if we could create a more friendly environment between our two countries we could maybe push for other changes slowly as well. I don't look at things completely in black and white. That being said we would really have to keep our eye on them. Either way they are going to have nuclear material...whether we give it to them or not. We may as well be on the diplomatic side of things.
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 04:37 PM
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11. Iran is not friendly.
There is a word to caving in to your enemies to make them like you. It's called "appeasement". How about we lock up the mullahs' political dissidents for them, too. I'll bet they'd like us then.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 04:43 PM
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12. there's a word for working with your enemies to find...
mutually agreeable solutions which avoid unnecessary hardship and bloodshed. it's called "diplomacy." it's also called "wisdom."
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 04:48 PM
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13. Lessons learned from the 1980s:
1. Giving the revolutionary government of Iran weapons is dumb.

2. Arming Islamo-whackos is a bad idea, too.

The folks who want Salman Rushdie killed should be given nuclear material? No way! Maybe we could have foreign exchange students or sister cities or something like that, but this is a bad policy.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 07:39 PM
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17. Iran has plenty of money
Edited on Sat Oct-09-04 07:45 PM by sushi
You want to deny them nuclear weapons? Then stop buying their oil! Do you think we can do that? Or maybe you prefer another Iraq? Only bigger!

Maybe we could have foreign exchange students or sister cities or something like that, butthis is a bad policy.

There you go again! You want to make decisions for others! How about others making decisions for you! Would you like that?
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 08:44 PM
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22. Iran should not have nuclear weapons.
I don't want anyone sending nuclear material to Iran. Iran is run by anti-democratic whackos with ties to terrorists. Of course I don't want them to have nuclear weapons.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:59 AM
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28. Iran can get what they want
from other countries. If there is demand there will be a supplier. If we don't want other countries to have nuclear weapons then we should set an example and get rid of ours. Everybody gets rid of theirs or everybody who wants them will get their hands on them. It's only a matter of time.
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 11:08 AM
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37. We should do what we can to prevent them from getting it.
Sanctions and international cooperation can prevent and slow the development of weapons of mass destruction by rogue states. Such sanctions and cooperation have slowed Iraq and North Korea.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 07:46 PM
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18. ah... captian
1. we showed in the 1980s that arming, and supporting murderous, facist dictorships will BLOW BACK on ya in the end by REVOLUTION.

2. NO ONE is talking about giving ARMS to ANYONE - we usually require top dollar if we were anyways ;->

peace
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 08:07 PM
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20. Weapons?
Sicne when is nuclear fuel a weapon? Yuo have to enrich the uranium, which gives off tell tale exhaust, to weaponize it.

What's your agenda here?
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 08:41 PM
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21. My agenda is to stop terrorism.
Nuclear material can be used in radiological weapons. I want to oppose a dumb idea. That is my agenda.
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 10:53 PM
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25. Nuclear material
You can get nuclear material to use in a radiological bomb right here in the US. It's easier to obtain and transport without having to cross any borders. Terrorists are experts at using our own assets against us.
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 11:24 AM
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39. Well, let's just send radioactive material to Al Qaeda, then.
:eyes:
They want it; they're going to get it. Might as well just speed up the process.
:eyes:
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:55 PM
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41. Equating Iran with Al Queda
Is not an effective foreign policy.
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:33 PM
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43. And neither is giving a rogue state nuclear material!
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 10:07 PM
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24. Not a fan of the Prime Directive, I take it
Your rabid and aggressive fanaticism sounds rather like what you project onto others. Perhaps something should be done about you?
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 11:53 AM
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40. The prime directive is just a suggestion.
They had no idea what sort of problems I'd encounter out here among the stars.:-)

If you don't like my attitude, please deliver uranium to my house. Then I'd calm down and like you more.I promise I'll just use it as a paperweight! :P That would be stupid. However, that seems to be the philosophy behind the plan to give Iran nuclear material.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 07:21 PM
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16. Are you saying
Edited on Sat Oct-09-04 07:33 PM by sushi
that only countries friendly to the USA can have nuclear weapons?

Why lock up the mullah's political dissidents for them? Why meddle in their business at all? Negotiating is not caving in! It's treating other countries as equals, and not patronizing them. They must hate the attitude 'Don't do as we do. Do as we tell you, or else!' No wonder there is so much hatred towards the West, specifically the USA.

Do read "Why the United States Supports the State of Israel" (PINR-Oct7, 2004) "If Tehran were to realize a nuclear weapons capability, it would mean that Iran could become a regional power in a position to dictate oil resources, endangering the interests of the oil dependent countries led by the US."

That's what it's all about. Oil! For us! Several Muslim countries are sitting on most of the oil. It's time to negotiate with them, and not bully them.
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:40 PM
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47. Your oil comment is wrong.
The thing I said about locking up Iranian dissidents was sarcasm. It would be on par with giving them nuclear material - giving the whacko fundamentalists exactly what they want.

Kerry (and even Bush, too) has correctly identified nuclear proliferation as a major problem. Get on board.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:28 PM
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49. The Iranians control the Straights of Hormuz,
and they have Exocets. If we attack them, they will try to close the Straights, which connect the Persian Gulf to the Indian Ocean. Almost all Persian Gulf oil moves through the Straights. We and the globe may suffer a serious and indefinite interruption in our oil supply in event of an attack.

Iran is an historical power in the Gulf and Central Asia, and they now wish to assert themselves as such. Since Israel, Pakistan and Russia all have nuclear weapons, Iran will undoubtedly continue its efforts to develop or acquire them, at least until Pakistan and Israel decide to go nuclear free, something that I do not see happening. In the case of Pakistan, it will not go nuke free until India does, and India will not do it until China does. In fact, I see 15-20 years down the road, if the U.S. is not longer the effective regent of Iraq, that Iraq will once again try to develop or acquire nuclear weapons. Just look at its neighborhood.
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 11:49 AM
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50. Exocets and other missiles
Imagine when they put their nuclear weapons on missiles. Yikes. We should do whatever we can to contain the Iranian nuclear program and convince them to get on the nonproliferation track.

Ironically, WMD ambitions are more likely to get them attacked than to prevent and attack on them. Just like Iraq.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:10 PM
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48. There's also the phrase "bomb your ass while you sleep" if you...
so much as think about abusing our trust.

You don't seem to have much faith in the US Air Force.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 06:59 PM
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15. I agree!
Edited on Sat Oct-09-04 07:32 PM by sushi
Either way they are going to have nuclear material...whether we give it to them or not.

Exactly! And why shouldn't they??? Other countries have it, why shouldn't Iran, or any other country that wants it and can afford it??? Why does the West have this patronizing attitude? It must be offensive to many countries! That is one reason of the hatred. Iran obviously doesn't want to depend on another country for its security.

Interesting article relating to this issue is "Why the United States Supports the State of Israel>> PINR.com - 07 October 2004.

Edit: typing errors
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 02:27 AM
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45. With IAEA inspections
All the nuclear material that Iraq had under IAEA seal was still right where it was supposed to be. They are the only agency that continued inspections from 1998 to 2003. Well, it was right where it was supposed to be until we invaded, didn't secure those locations, and the material was looted if I'm not mistaken. There are ways to do this and engaging these countries is going to have to be done sooner or later. If they're willing to talk, we should be willing to talk too.
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 11:51 AM
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52. IAEA control on Iran on not currently effective.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 07:55 PM
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19. it's much CHEAPER, more EFFICIENT and more SECURE to NEGOTIATE
with ANY country you REQUIRE something from.

just ask japn and germany.

not to mention, in this case, the ability to CONTROL and OBSERVE the system that threatens you is surely a huge prize.

peace
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 08:49 PM
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23. Suckers walk. No, they most certainly wouldn't.
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran would welcome a proposal by U.S. presidential candidate Senator John Kerry (news - web sites)'s running mate for a "great bargain" to solve the dispute over Tehran's nuclear program, a senior Iranian official said on Saturday.

To quote Monty Python.... "Here fishy, fishy-poo....."

But in an apparent policy shift, Hossein Mousavian, head of the foreign policy committee at Iran's Supreme National Security Council, said Iran would review the proposal.


GodDAMN it! Where's that November Car & Driver?
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 11:05 PM
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26. Is this our October Surprise ? Doing a reverse on the BFEE ??
Remember the bullshit Bush I as Veep-candidate pulled on the Carter Admin by dealing with Iran and other countried behind the Admin's back ??

I'm sure Senator Kerry and some of his allies have some good contacts overseas to do some 'informal' negotiating prior to the election ...

Turnabout is fair play, eh George ?? :shrug:




:hippie:
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 11:07 PM
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27. America becomes energy supplier to Iran?
That sounds like a nice way to start a new business.

Instead of buying energy from the Middle East, perhaps we could become the sellers?
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:58 AM
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29. I find this all very strange
But at least it's something and at minimum, Iraq seems to want
Kerry elected...

But, why do they want Nuclear power with all of that oil around?
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:58 AM
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33. Perhaps there is not as much oil as they'd like for us to believe?
Maybe their looking glass is not so dark. Maybe they are getting ready for the inevitable depletion of oil stocks.

Maybe they are taking a long-term view of how to maintain their culture with a different energy source.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 02:30 AM
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46. Let's think like a capitalist
Shall we? I sell cake, let's say. I want cookies. I can sell cakes for $20 each and buy cookies for much less. Why in the world would I waste my time on cookies?

That's why. They can make more selling the oil and using nuclear power.
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RexRed Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:36 AM
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30. Ditto
That is the Bush doctrine ctrl paste. Constructive proposals that is why we are building WMD.

Kerry will be easier to hide them and sneak one in... Coming to a theater near you.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:48 AM
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31. Incoherence.
It's breaking out all over.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:44 AM
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32. you know what would be so cool..
is if a number of UN members made a PSA stating that they'd be willing to work with Kerry. That would sure clean Bush's clock!
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 02:04 AM
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44. It would be wrong
to do it publicly, but I wouldn't be surprised if some countries have privately indicated they prefer to work with Kerry. * is not liked in so many countries, if not the whole world.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:09 AM
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34. So Terrists prefer the Presdints opponents. No suprize to most Merikuns.
It's easy for John Kerry and John Edwards to say how they would do things. 'Cause they don't hafta run the world. But protectin freedum is hard. It's hard work. These "ideas" people keep havin' are not helpful. It's just more fuzzy librul thinking that sounds good but they make the world a more dangerous place. Plus they muddy up the clear moral vision of this administration.

With ideas like these, peace could break out at any time, and then the world would be a less safe place.
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lavendermist Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:14 AM
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35. I am new to DU..
could someone tell me what BFEE and meme stands for? :dunce:
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:24 AM
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36. BFEE
BFEE = Bush Family Evil Empire. And welcome to DU.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 11:22 AM
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38. Kerry needs to distant himself somehow from this "endorsement"
Kerry needs to somehow make it clear that he does not need nor does he seek foreign endorsements while at the same time not offending Iran.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 11:50 AM
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51. Bush wants to invade Iran to bring on the rapture
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