CNN survey: Bush maintains Electoral College lead

[Gothic Sponge]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/08/electoral.map/index.html

Kerry appears to close gap in some key states

ST. LOUIS, Missouri (CNN) -- President Bush headed into his second debate with John Kerry Friday night holding a sizable lead in the all-important race for electoral votes, but Kerry has made big gains this week in seven battleground states, a new CNN survey suggests.

If the election were held today, Bush likely would win 301 electoral votes to Kerry's 237, according to a new CNN survey based on state polling as well as interviews with campaign aides and independent analysts. A candidate wins the election with at least 270 electoral votes, regardless of the popular vote.

[movonne]

1. WTF!!!!

[DarthDem]

2. Absolutely . . .

. . . immeasurably ridiculous.

[indie_voter]

3. They use the biased toward republican Gallup poll

[whirlygigspin]

5. please, why beleive anything CNN has to say

they should just stop polling, cause they scrap em when they don't like the results.

[kysrsoze]

52. Since when is * leading in the electoral college?

A few weeks ago, Kerry was reported to be leading in the electoral college.

[lovuian]

4. America is not a Democracy Its a Republic

when the majority of Americans doesn't mean they elect the president

[TexasSissy]

16. It's both. A Republic is a type of democracy.

[GinaMaria]

39. It is a Democratic Republic n/t

[LibertyorDeath]

6. I don't give a shit about today Nov 2 is the only poll that counts

Fuck CNN right wing biased shit purveyors
They had Fuck face Coulter on last night spewing Hate at all Liberals
Fuck Gallup
Fuck all Corporate Media Polls
Fuck em all.

They can all kiss my fucking Ass

(Note to self gotta ease up on the swearing)

[otohara]

7. CNN's Lost Credibility

keep posting Gallup polls and pretend they don't skew more GOP'ers. call it a day.

mediawhores gallore

[CO Liberal]

8. Not According to Everybody

One site I go to has Kerry with 280 votes and the presidency.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

[Eric J in MN]

9. "interviews with campaign aides"

yeah, that's a real good way to predict the winner

[whirlygigspin]

12. Zogby has Kerry winning too

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=879

"Though the latest collection of polls shows Mr. Kerry doesn¡¦t need Ohio or Florida to win the race, should he capture either one, the game is over." --Zogby

[SoCalDem]

15. I concur with Zogby.. My map of delegates shows Kerry 279 (min)

Bush has to "run the table" and take at least one away from Kerry to beat him..

CNN is full of ..you know what...

[Gabi Hayes]

18. LOVE that map! the way it SHOULD look

and can we PLEASE get rid of the EC, or at least make it proportional?

I know that's pretty much the same thing, but I'm so sick of this campaigning in 10 states.

the ultimate irony, and one that gives me nightmares, is if Colorado goes proportional, Kerry wins, and somehow loses the EV by the margin he'd have won if Col went winner take all. would he have grounds for a lawsuit? as if he could possibly win with the SCOTUS

[SoCalDem]

20. He won't need ANY from Colo if he gets PA,IA & OH..make your own map here

http://www.edwardsforprez.com/map.html

[crossroads]

29. That map was cool! Thanks...

:dem:

[Hawkeye-X]

33. Colorado and its 9 EVs

Are trending to kerry. Our local polls have both dead even at 49 49 with 1% to Nader.

Before that, it was bush by about 4 or 5 pts

[homodem]

47. What Kind of Fucktard Map Is That?

The results are likeable, but come on...can't we do better than that?

[Skittles]

49. define "we"

nt

[homodem]

51. "We"

is defined as anyone who has seen "non-fucktard" map in their life and can discern the difference. This Marine can.

[Skittles]

57. doesn't fly here

we prefer maps that indicate PEOPLE (who vote), not LAND MASS (which does NOT vote).

[SoCalDem]

56. R E A D the small print.. It's a REALISTIC map based on PEOPLE

not tumbleweeds, grasshoppers, cows and scorpions :)




edited to add.. AND electoral votes..:)

Huge EMPTY states may "look good" on that ole redstate/bluestate map, but it's not realistic:)

[iconoclastic cat]

10. What a crock.

That is just a total load. Feh.

[earthside]

11. The End of CNN

I was a CNN news junkie for years.

But after Ted Turner no longer was a part of the company, and when it became part of AOLTimeWarner, it slowly deteriorated into mediocrity.

I have not watched CNN since the Democratic primaries.

I just will not watch.

And I hardly ever even visit their web site either.

"Conservative News Network" is all it has become ... 'All Bush, All the Time'.

[Birthmark]

13. Allow me to assist

"...CNN survey based on state polling as well as interviews with campaign aides and independent analysts."

Translation: When the polls couldn't support Bush, we kept asking people (e.g. Rove) until we could claim Bush still had the lead. :)

[Lexingtonian]

14. what a joke

Kerry is not running behind in New Mexico, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Hampshire, or Maine.

[lancdem]

19. Gallup's own polls showing Bush narrowly ahead in WI and NM

way oversampled Republicans.

BTW, a 301 to 237 lead is not large. A couple of states swing Kerry's way and he's ahead.

[lancdem]

21. I agree

CNN has Bush ahead in New Hampshire, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, Colorado and Iowa. Kerry is at least tied in most of those states. Kerry probably won't win CO, but if they vote on split EVs there, he'll probably get 4 of the 9 EVs.

[JoFerret]

17. Kerry 280 electoral votes predicted

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

[Barkley]

23. Kerry will win in a landslide

The state by state vote may be close but the cumulative effect will be a landslide.

[Ediacara]

22. CNN's map is BS

As has been pointed out...

Zogby (a reliable pollster :-)) has Kerry ahead (although in many cases by small margins) in Nevada, New Mexico, Iowa, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Florida, Ohio, New Hampshire, and both Maine districts. Bush is VERY SLIGHTLY ahead in Colorado, Missouri, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Virginia.

Check out for Zogby's latest:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-battleground04-frameset.html

[crossroads]

27. How CNN percieves it to be!

Did Wolf paint that map?????
:bounce:

[SOS]

32. CNN

has had that 301-237 total up for weeks now.
That's the Republican Party line and CNN's sticking to it.

[The Chronicler]

24. Fox News has been more fair and balanced than CNN lately.

nm

[demgrrrll]

25. Doesn't the Carlyle group own part of AOL Time Warner? I would

imagine that they could control content if they have anything to do with the ownership of the company.

[Bullshot]

38. I think the Saudi Royal Family are major shareholders of CNN

[demgrrrll]

41. That's it! I knew it was someone who had ties to the Bush family.

In F 9 11 the Bin Laudens were meeting at the Ritz Carlton to discuss their business interests with Bush and Carlyle. I think they said that the Bin Laudens had to drop out of one of the war investments. I remember bits and pieces, not all of the facts. Thanks so much.

[illuminaughty]

55. That would be correct

Carlyle has ownership of AOL-Time Warner and it's becoming more obvious every day.

[Erika]

26. Kerry Is In Great Shape!

The young first-time voters, largely unpolled, will be for Kerry.

[TruthIsAll]

28. Not according to the Election Model! Kerry 326 EV

http://www.geocities.com/electionmodel/

[homodem]

48. That's great...

They are so knowlegdeable and worldly wise. We should let 18 year olds run the country. Damn chimp.

[Vox_Reason]

30. GET OUT THE FREAKING VOTE!!!

DO WHAT YOU MUST locally to get out the vote.

EVERY VOTE COUNTS!!!

Volunteer to drive voters to the polls. Phonebank. Go door-to-door. Whatever you have to do.

There's less than 30 days left, folks. It's time to do your damndest to get these fascists out of office.

It's for our kids.

[BenDavid]

31. Do Not Believe A Damn Word,

that CNN says..... Just remember one week before the 2000 vote, CNN had Bush ahead by 12 points.... Now if you really wish to see how things really are in polling. One need only go no further then Zogby. Remember, Zogby had Gore by 1 on election eve. Here it is as of October 8, 2004.

Mr. Kerry now leads in the race for Electoral College votes and can now see a path to victory, but it’s still far from his grasp. Needing 270 votes to become the next President, he has coddled together a lead in states that total 278, compared to just 207 for Mr. Bush, the latest collection of polls by Zogby Interactive shows.

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=879 released October 8, 2004

[truthisfreedom]

34. horsefeathers. look at http://electoral-vote.com/

http://electoral-vote.com/

Kerry 280   Bush 248

[Media_Lies_Daily]

35. As usual, CNN is truth-challenged.

[TruthIsAll]

36. TIA Election Model: Kerry extends his lead to 325 EV

http://www.geocities.com/electionmodel/

[txindy]

37. They just wipe out every poll that indicates otherwise

so why would we be surprised by manufactured results such as these? Sheesh. :eyes:

[NYC Liberal]

40. If a headline begins with "CNN Survey"

you can just stop reading right there, because everything that follows is crap.

[demokatgurrl]

42. not everyone agrees

www.electoral-vote.com

[BADallas]

43. I am going to be ill.....Park Gillespie won the American Candidate

[GRLMGC]

44. Let them keep talking

They'll shit their pants when they find out they're wrong on election day.

[johnnyrocket]

45. CNN Can suck it!

Because they're good at sucking.

[Zang]

46. endorsements

done round-up style
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=37846">Latest Newspaper endorsements

[rexcat]

50. Wow...I did not know that we had voted yet?

When the votes are counted then they can start talking about the electoral college (an institution which should be eliminated from the US Constitution).

[Guaranteed]

53. Read the article, folks....Kerry has the momentum. He's gaining

in seven of the battleground states, Penn sounds like we have a decisive lead, and a Kerry camp spokesperson says that internal polls show Kerry leading in Florida. There's much other good news, too. READ THE ARTICLE.

[Pachamama]

54. Desperate Attempts by Desperate People, desperate to maintain the

....illusion that they are in the lead and in control when they are desperately out of control and will be losing all power and control soon....

I don't buy these so-called polls that keep showing Bush with a lead...unless they are calling every Republican "Moran" that they can find, I can't believe for even a minute that he has this kind of "lead" either in total popular vote or electoral votes...

Desperate people do desperate things....stay tuned.....

[Swamp Rat]

58. You hit the nail on the head Pachamama

:hi: