Experts Wary of Predicting Win for Bush

[Steelangel]

By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) will be the first president in 72 years to face the electorate with a net job loss. The Iraq (news - web sites) war has deeply torn the nation. National polls show a neck-and-neck race. Yet economy-based projections still show a decisive Bush victory on Nov. 2.

What gives?

Political scientists and many economists say this may be the year to throw the economic models out the window. Forecasters are flummoxed about the impact of Iraq, uncertain about the true state of the economy, and less sure about their projections than in any recent election.

Domestic policy is the designated topic for final presidential debate on Wednesday at Arizona State University.

And the topic drew testy exchanges in Friday night's debate in St. Louis, where Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) accused Bush of running up massive deficits with wartime tax cuts for the wealthy, and the president portrayed Kerry as an unabashed liberal who would raise taxes on the middle class to pay for big government programs.

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[bemildred]

1. Garbage in, garbage out.

That is always the problem with models and sims.

[Steelangel]

2. indeed. I concur.. when I read that and it made me want to puke.

[Gabi Hayes]

3. 'accused' Bush of running up massive deficits with wartime tax cuts

for the wealthy????

accused?

as in, maybe it isn't TRUE?

I'm so fricking sick of the massive leftwing media conspiracy

[Steelangel]

5. well I am sick of the massive rightwing media conspiracy too...

*shrugs*

[Malva Zebrina]

4. The forecasters may be flummoxed but I am not

and I do not make one fifth the salary they do.

The war was waged on lies. Outright lies. No one in the media saw fit to save the lives of thousands of thousands of innocent people who happened to be born in the wrong place. Many, many of them were little children, and babies.

It was a lie, and the lie changed at least twenty times, to the point where the lie morphed from Saddam had WMD to one where he was thinking, or musing upon developing at some point in the future, during which he would probably be dead by the time it occured, WMD.

This is the most egregious of all treason.

Thousands of lives! They had children they wanted to see grow up and marry. They had families, and homes, and hopes and fears like anyone else.

and because of one evil, tyrant, who is without a brain. they were murdered== on lies.

I simply cannot understand how the people of the US , a country professing that 80% follow the man Jesus, can advocate a continuence of these policies, and worse, if the idiot is elected . I simply cannot understand the dissasociation of the Amerians, some 50% of so, just brush off those innocent lives as "part of the territory"

I must have been really in denial, thinking that we as a nation, cherished human life and promoted it, along with liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and now see it as a cancer affecting half a nation that accepted an ignorant tyrant who stole an election and lied to kill, grab, occupy a land because he coveted their goods.

Let them be "flummoxed". That is their game as fools.

[Boomer]

6. Fool me once....

>>I must have been really in denial, thinking that we as a nation, cherished human life and promoted it, along with liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and now see it as a cancer affecting half a nation that accepted an ignorant tyrant who stole an election and lied to kill, grab, occupy a land because he coveted their goods.<<

As one questioner in the debate noted, there is a rising tide of anti-Americanism throughout the world. Until now, many Europeans have been careful to note that they hate or distrust Bush, not American citizens. But if we elect George Bush in 2004, that exemption is likely to expire.

[Nicholas_J]

7. The Europeans fight with intelligence and finess

and not in the childish fashion that Bush and right wing morons expect, you know, the t9ugh key stuff.

No one discusses it, but remember gig rough tough Dubya and his steel tariff?

All the WTO had to do was state that Bushs tax cuts gave big business an unfair advantage and stated that it would be appropriate for WTO members to issue economic sanctions against the U.S., the European Economic Community took them up on it,and started actions to place tarriffs on 23 classes of American products and Bush folded like a wimp.

In fact,it is France and Germany who are financing the lions share of the U.S. deficit and the money being spent to provide the Bush tax cuts as well as to pay for the war on Iraq are all being lent to the U.S. by French and German banks at the behest of the governments of those two countries.

France in particu;ar is picking up the largest portion of any nation. They let American politicians play the tough guy, but if they pulled the plug on financing our debt, the economy would grind to a halt. Of course, they would have to deal with ripples on their own economies,but the reasons that they were able to get Bush to end the steel tarriffs was that they spent months taking actions that would protect their economies before beginning a trade war with the U.S.

If things get bad enough, Europe could force Bush to pull out of Iraq in weeks.