The CIA 'old guard' goes to war with Bush

[kskiska]

A powerful "old guard" faction in the Central Intelligence Agency has launched an unprecedented campaign to undermine the Bush administration with a battery of damaging leaks and briefings about Iraq.

The White House is incensed by the increasingly public sniping from some senior intelligence officers who, it believes, are conducting a partisan operation to swing the election on November 2 in favour of John Kerry, the Democratic candidate, and against George W Bush.

Jim Pavitt, a 31-year CIA veteran who retired as a departmental chief in August, said that he cannot recall a time of such "viciousness and vindictiveness" in a battle between the White House and the agency.

John Roberts, a conservative security analyst, commented bluntly: "When the President cannot trust his own CIA, the nation faces dire consequences."

Relations between the White House and the agency are widely regarded as being at their lowest ebb since the hopelessly botched Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by CIA-sponsored exiles under President John F Kennedy in 1961.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/10/wbush10.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/10/10/ixnewstop.html

[movonne]

1. And look what happened to Kennedy!!!!

[Nordic]

6. Had to LOL at that one

I like dark humor

[Hekate]

29. God Forbid.

W would be deified for all time, Cheney would be president until he keeled over, then Dennis Hastert would be president.

Don't even think such things.

edited to add: Besides, I so very much hope to see the entire gang doin' the perp walk.

Hekate
not all inhabitants of the underworld are heroes

[calimary]

39. God Forbid INDEED! That would be SO awful - pray it does NOT happen!

The last thing we'd need would be bush as some sort of martyr figure. Remember those nauseating photos of him with a "saintly halo" around his head? You ain't seen nothing yet if something like that were to happen to him.

I do NOT EVER want to see anything like that happen to him. YIKES! The reasons Hekate mentions are reasons enough.

[glitch]

44. If anything does happen to him - it will be because they've decided to cut

their losses an maximize what's left of their investment. Knowledge of this is the source of the fear behind *'s eyes.
IMO.

[ilovenicepeople]

45. I have prayed that "THAT" doesn't happen as well.

But I have also wondered, why such a "stupid" person could become the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet?I have always felt that Poppy would "use" his most expendable offspring as a sacrificial lamb for the New World Order.Don't worry though, I have been known to be wrong before,it's just that sometimes you have to trust your gut feeling.(I hope it's just indigestion?):scared: :hi:

[Kimber Scott]

2. I guess you can't just piss EVERYBODY off and get away with it.

Especially, not the spooks.

[radwriter0555]

3. Capitol Hill Blue said back in July that this was going to happen ..

and I see it clearly coming to pass.

I expect a definitively ramped up DC campain to get bush out of office, especially in the next 3 weeks.

[w4rma]

9. They better get to work. Big media can pull some nasty crap at the last

minute and the Republicans are cultish in their support of Smirk.

[cornermouse]

4. I don't believe I would want to antagonize the

people (CIA) who were supposed to be protecting the nation. Just doesn't seem like a smart thing to do at all.

[AntiFascist]

5. Maybe we can expect an October surprise in our favor....

John Roberts, a conservative security analyst, commented bluntly: "When the President cannot trust his own CIA, the nation faces dire consequences."

...

The leaks are also a shot across the bows of Porter Goss, the agency's new director and a former Republican congressman. He takes over with orders from the White House to end the in-fighting and revamp the troubled spy agency as part of a radical overhaul of the American intelligence world.

[Tight_rope]

32. Porter Goss is the Bush* ass kissing...He won't be there long!

[clydefrand]

7. Does anyone think George Tenet is going to drop

a bombshell before the election? Many of us suspect that Tenet left the CIA rather hurriedly.

[Career Prole]

15. I don't think we need him, but if he wants to pile on

he's quite welcome. The more the merrier. :D

[Spinzonner]

8. How about ...

"When the people cannot trust their own President, the nation faces dire consequences."

[Disturbed]

10. Rank and File of the Agency...

These people are pissed off at the Bush Admion. for the V. Plame outing and the scapegoating of the CIA regarding pre-invasion of Iraq intell. Cheney and Rumsfeld manufactured bogus intell at the Office of Special Plans. Powell delivered the lies to the UN. Tenet bootlicked and was fired anyway. I believe his deal was that he remain silent or criminal charges would be filed. Tenet perjured himself to Congress and violated The Geneva Convention. He will stay silent.

Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act.

Rumfailed has commited at least two violations of the Geneva Convention; thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

Does the US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA?

[shraby]

11. As much as I'd like to see the whole bunch

prosecuted now, it would be an exercise in futility. They'd all just get pardoned. Wait until Kerry is in the white house then hit them with everything but the kitchen sink.

[wrate]

17. That is assuming that Kerry does get elected. If the Nov 2 elections are

not rigged by these people who will do everything they can to have * reselected. It's not only power they loose if * does not get reselected, it may be their own freedom.

IMHO the time to act is NOW, before this mafia steals the elections again, then demand that no presidential pardons are given.

[txindy]

23. Wouldn't it be nice

if the CIA and the FBI, who have been truly - and publicly - dumped on by this administration, managed to find a way to un-rig any overt rigging attempts? You know, just to ensure that * leaves DC in January. And in a hurry. ;)

I've been wondering for months now when the CIA and FBI would finally decide that enough is enough and work against Junior. They're working for the USA, not for the Connecticut Cowboy.

[Toots]

36. Oh Oh!! Time for a terror alert

Can't have none of that mistrust stuff going on. Terror Terror your children fear fear terror terror.

[skordane]

12. Offcourse The CIA Are Pissed at Bush

The Bush administration outed Joe Wilson's wife and they strong armed the CIA to tailor the intelligence reports to support their political initiatives in Iraq. Bush is now blaming the CIA for not finding WMD when they knew all along that the case was not so strong.

[mountainvue]

13. The next three

weeks should prove interesting indeed. And should Bushler get reselected? I don't even want to think about it.

[swag]

14. Am reminded of how much I owe H20Man and some of the other

old DU Plamesters for their accurate pre-identification of this and other emerging themes.

[H2O Man]

20. Looks like the chickens are coming home to roost!

The Plame/Niger document forgeries/neocon spy scandal -- which is actually one case -- is coming back to haunt this administration. There have been delaying tactics on the part of the administration, but that will not keep the truth from coming out. Matter of fact, there may be a couple leaks in the next ten days that show old Dick Cheney in a very bad light.

[crossroads]

22. It's called KARMA!

:bounce:

[txindy]

25. Great news!

All that's been done against the CIA by this admin. had to reach the boiling point with the agency sooner or later. If they outed Plame, they could do anything to anyone. No one in the agency is safe with those currently in charge of the WH. I'm surprised it took this long to begin to come out, but I suppose the timing works extremely well, now that I think about it. Less time for spin to take hold. Less time for repercussions.

Dick shown in a bad light, eh? Charming Cheney?! Nooooooo! Couldn't be. As if anyone would believe anything negative about sweet Dick. LOL! Can't wait!

[KoKo]

21. Yes...H2Oman/Plamesters and the newly maligned Mike Ruppert who said

"they" will take him down when he becomes a "liability."

[ima_sinnic]

16. M Ruppert predicted this, called it Coup d'Etat back in June

It has not yet happened the way he predicted (he especially got it wrong in guessing that it might happen before the RNC convention in August) but I have been watching and waiting to see if any of it comes to fulfillment.
--------
COUP D'ETAT:
The Real Reason Tenet and Pavitt Resigned from the
CIA on June 3rd and 4th

Bush, Cheney Indictments in Plame Case Looming

by Michael C. Ruppert

additional reporting by
Wayne Madsen from Washington

JUNE 8, 2004 1600 PDT (FTW) - Why did DCI George Tenet suddenly resign on June 3rd, only to be followed a day later by James Pavitt, the CIA's Deputy Director of Operations (DDO)?

The real reasons, contrary to the saturation spin being put out by major news outlets, have nothing to do with Tenet's role as taking the fall for alleged 9/11 and Iraqi intelligence "failures" before the upcoming presidential election.

Both resignations, perhaps soon to be followed by resignations from Colin Powell and his deputy Richard Armitage, are about the imminent and extremely messy demise of George W. Bush and his Neocon administration in a coup d'etat being executed by the Central Intelligence Agency. The coup, in the planning for at least two years, has apparently become an urgent priority as a number of deepening crises threaten a global meltdown. . . .

http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/060804_coup_detat.html

[Amigust]

18. Since members of the intelligence services tend to be more Republican,

the old guard's distress with Bush says a lot.

[havocmom]

19. Partisan? Anybody who has a beef with the junta is labeled 'partisan'.

Am guessing with most spooks, partisan doesn't enter into it much. A NOC agent doing extremely important work was outed, people were exposed to danger, probably more than a few died, and it is probably easier for the bad guys to move dangerous materials now. To be pissed about that isn't partisan it is personal and it is taking care of business.

The junta just doesn't get that there are a lot of people who really do love and believe in America. There are people who understand more is at stake than a balance sheet and a rating on Wall Street. There are people for whom the word honor has meaning.

And for a bit of entertainment, anybody up for a DU pool on when Novak's next accident occurs?

[sattahipdeep]

40. I wonder Did he slip in the shower too?

Krongard will undergo back surgery this month

By Bill Atkinson
Sun Staff

October 6, 2004

A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, the former Baltimore investment banker
who was replaced in a shake-up last week as the Central Intelligence
Agency's No. 3 official, said yesterday that his professional future remains unclear.

Krongard, who had been the agency's executive director since
March 2001, will undergo back surgery this month and plans to
make a decision on what he will do next after he recovers.

....
"I have got to get through that first," said
Krongard, 67, the former chairman and
chief executive of Alex. Brown Inc. "It will
give me some time to sort out what I want
to do. Until I sort this out, there is nothing I will entertain."

Krongard said he was not surprised when Goss replaced him. "I knew it was coming," he said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.krongard06oct06,1,3638175.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines


Thursday, October 7, 2004

Last Saturday, Mehlman appeared on CNN's "Capital Gang" as my
temporary replacement (at my suggestion). In Coral Gables to cover the first
Bush-Kerry debate, I had stupidly slipped on the water on the bathroom
floor of the Hyatt Regency Hotel and broke my hip. At this writing, I am still
a patient at Doctors Hospital in Coral Gables.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/07/no.victory/

[alfredo]

24. I've been telling my Army buddies

That this was going to happen. You fuck with the bull, you get the horn.

Any ASA vets out there? Did you see this coming too?

[Carolab]

26. Sy Hersh mentioned

in "The Gray Zone" (New Yorker)...that the CIA set up the prison at Abu Ghraib but when Miller was brought in to "gitmo-ize" it, they disassociated themselves (left) so they couldn't be blamed for it.

[Octafish]

27. Difference between Bay of Pigs and today...

...Today the traitors are in the White House.

[crossroads]

28. Hmmm

:dem:

[BattyDem]

30. How many times do the Bushies have to be told ...

There are three perpetual rules of the universe:

You don't spit in the wind, you don't tug on Superman's cape and you never, ever piss off the CIA!

Don't these people ever learn? :eyes:


(Thanks to Jim Croce for pointing out the first two.):-)

[DulceDecorum]

31. The Praetorian Guard rises against Caligula

Where hides Claudius?

[Raster]

41. There's two main camps of people in the political power loop:

those that are in and out every 4-8 years and those who are in for life. The spooks tend to be the later. Their loyalties are more clouded and not easily charted. It's the "old guard" that tries to keep the shadow world on somewhat of an even keel. I predicted a long time ago that the worldwide intelligence community would have problems with $hrubco. Especially when you consider every intelligence service of any stature on the planet called the invasion of Iraq a critical error long before it happened. And then the proverbial straw was $hrubo trying to lay the abject failure that is Iraq at the feet of the intelligence community. Insult to injury.

(edit in bold)
New Rule that should be obvious as hell: Don't alienate the spooks. They know where all the bodies are burried. They buried most of them. They even know where YOUR bodies are burried.

[Nicholas_J]

33. The problem the CIA is having is that they are expected to take the fall

For Bush using bad intelligence.

There is a good deal of evidence that people in the CIA knew and reported that the
intelligence regarding Iraq was not considered to be reliable, just as the intelligence provided prior to September 11th was found to be good, just the Bush admin wasnt paying attention to it.

There have been stories written about CIA agents telling there supervisors that the WMD intelligence was totally unreliable, but the supervisors told the staff, "This war is going to happen anyway, so we might as well be on the bandwagon"

I persomally believe that there was no failure of the intelligence community, but that the Bush administration used intelligence selectively in order to do what it wanted.

One of the biggest lies the right is spouting is that all the other nations had the same intelligence and beleived that Saddam had WMD's.

THe truth is that they had the same intelligence, but they did not beleive it was reliable and so did not want to go to war until they could gatheer more information through inspectors before comitting to the use of force.

[Carolab]

34. Right

same as Kerry (and Edwards)

[DustMolecule]

42. Remember that $hrubco used intel from the OSP (Office of Special Plans)

<snip>
According to former Bush officials, all defence and intelligence sources, senior administration figures created a shadow agency of Pentagon analysts staffed mainly by ideological amateurs to compete with the CIA and its military counterpart, the Defence Intelligence Agency.

The agency, called the Office of Special Plans (OSP), was set up by the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, to second-guess CIA information and operated under the patronage of hardline conservatives in the top rungs of the administration, the Pentagon and at the White House, including Vice-President Dick Cheney.

The ideologically driven network functioned like a shadow government, much of it off the official payroll and beyond congressional oversight. But it proved powerful enough to prevail in a struggle with the State Department and the CIA by establishing a justification for war.

Mr Tenet has officially taken responsibility for the president's unsubstantiated claim in January that Saddam Hussein's regime had been trying to buy uranium in Africa, but he also said his agency was under pressure to justify a war that the administration had already decided on.
<snip>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html



See also this excellent article, "The Lie Factory"

<snip>
...Though Feith, in that briefing, described Wurmser's unit as an innocent project, "a global exercise" that was not meant to put pressure on other intelligence agencies or create skewed intelligence to fit preconceived policy notions, many other sources assert that it did exactly that. That the White House and the Pentagon put enormous pressure on the CIA to go along with its version of events has been widely reported, highlighted by visits to CIA headquarters by Vice President Cheney and Lewis Libby, his chief of staff. Led by Perle, the neocons seethed with contempt for the CIA. The CIA's analysis, said Perle, "isn't worth the paper it's printed on." Standing in a crowded hallway during an AEI event, Perle added, "The CIA is status quo oriented. They don't want to take risks."

That became the mantra of the shadow agency within an agency.

Putting Wurmser in charge of the unit meant that it was being run by a pro-Iraq-war ideologue who'd spent years calling for a pre-emptive invasion of Baghdad and who was clearly predisposed to find what he wanted to see. Adding another layer of dubious quality to the endeavor was the man partnered with Wurmser, F. Michael Maloof. Maloof, a former aide to Perle in the 1980s Pentagon, was twice stripped of his high-level security clearances‚ -- once in late 2001 and, again, last spring, for various infractions. Maloof was also reportedly involved in a bizarre scheme to broker contacts between Iraqi officials and the Pentagon, channeled through Perle, in what one report called a "rogue operation" outside official CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency channels.
<snip>

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html

[oasis]

35. The American media shirks its duties in reporting this important story

again. :-(

[barb162]

37. great article, Tenet was such an ass kiss , Cheney such a bully

and the CIA pros were caught in the middle

[lovuian]

38. How long can Republicans get Ponded and Ponded

before they do SOMETHING!!!

[wrate]

43. Is it possible that George H.W. Bush is stopping the CIA from

overthrowing his son? He was the CIA director and surely has some clout left there. He gets briefings regularly (all ex-presidents do but as far as I know he is the only one who actually does get them).

I ask this because, as many here, I am more than wondering why the CIA hasn't gotten back at the * administration in full force. And it is well known how *´s father has, shall we say, fixed things for * all through out his life.

[lil-petunia]

46. the reason he gets them is so he can give a heads up to his saudi friends

getting a briefing and having control over policy decisions - that's a far stretch even for a paranoid like me.