George Noory "breaks" story about Chechen rebels entering the U.S.

[neomonkey]

He just claimed that the Washington Times will break this story tomorrow.

Intelligence officials state that 25 Chechen rebels, wearing black paramilitary backpacks, have entered the United States across the Mexican border.

link:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041013-121643-5028r.htm

U.S. security officials are investigating a recent intelligence report that a group of 25 Chechen terrorists illegally entered the United States from Mexico in July.
The Chechen group is suspected of having links to Islamist terrorists seeking to separate the southern enclave of Chechnya from Russia, according to officials familiar with intelligence reports



Let the October surprises begin...

[Starlight]

1. No problem. Bush will keep us safe.

Or hadn't you heard? :eyes:

[Philostopher]

2. If they know how many there are ...

and what they're wearing ...

why the hell didn't they stop them?

[Eloriel]

16. I don't have the links, but a couple of months ago

there were a couple of stories posted here at DU about how our Immigration Service had orders "from on high" not to apprehend people crossing the borders. A lot of DUers scoffed (but not all of us). Anyone remember these? Have links?

And then there's this:

PUTIN EXPOSES US-UK TERROR STRATEGY BEHIND SCHOOL ATROCITY; RUSSIAN PRESS BLASTS ANGLO-SAXON TERRORIST CONTROLLERS

By Webster Griffin Tarpley
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=793

Washington DC, September 14 -- In the wake of the terrorist atrocity at a school in Beslan, North Ossetia, in the Russian Federation, Russian President Vladimir Putin has made remarks to the western press which expose the key role of the US and British governments in backing Chechen terrorism. Whatever Putin’s previous role in events regarding Chechnya, his current political posture is one which sharply undercuts the legitimacy of the supposed Anglo-American “war on terror,” and which points up the hypocrisy of the Bush regime’s pledge that it will make no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them -- since Washington and London are currently harboring Chechens implicated in terrorism. All in all, Putin’s response to Chechen events has, with the third anniversary of 9/11, brought the collapse of the official 9/11 myth measurably closer. The hypocritical terror demagogy of Bush and Blair has now been undercut by the head of state of another permanent member of the UN Security Council...


On Monday September 6, Putin spoke for three and one half hours with a group of some 30 western correspondents and Russia experts at his dacha near Novo Ogarevo outside Moscow. There is no official transcript so far, but accounts have been published in The Guardian, The Independent, and Le Monde. The Washington Post waited until Friday, September 10 to publish an article, but left out the most significant remarks. There are now signs that the Anglo-American press is beginning a new campaign against Putin as a dictator, stressing the obvious in order to silence his attacks on the US-UK sponsorship of Chechen terror

Putin, a KGB veteran who knows whereof he speaks, told the gathering that the school massacre showed that “certain western circles would like to weaken Russia, just as the Romans wanted to destroy Carthage.” He thus suggested that the US and UK, not content with having bested Russia in the Cold War, now wanted to proceed to the dismemberment and total destruction of Russia – a Carthaginian peace like the one the Romans finally imposed at the end of the Punic Wars in 146 BC, when they poured salt into the land of Carthage so nothing would every grow there again. (Le Monde, September 8, 2004)

-- more --


also discussed here:
PUTIN EXPOSES US-UK TERROR STRATEGY BEHIND SCHOOL ATROCITY
(See post #21 for good background info and #14 for another article link)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2377060#2377906


Edited to add: I realized I need to probably make myself clear: I don't know WHAT the hell is going on and don't at this point believe any thing in particular. All I have right now, aside from a couple of links I just posted, are questions -- and, of course, my eternal, hyper-cynicism and utter and complete distrust of ANYthing and everything our so-called government tells us.

[AZCat]

3. How long do you figure it will be...

until this story is recanted, and the "Chechnyen rebels" are finally revealed as desperate refugees (or something), and are freed from their unlawful captivity at the hands of Ashcroft?

[DELUSIONAL]

15. Oh great -- anyone who speaks with an accent

will be picked up??

What does a Chechnyen accent sound like-- oh right -- French? or German? Oh well it doesn't matter -- anyone who speaks "European".

Based on previous behavior can we predict with Asscrotch and his kind will do??

Pick up some tourists and break into national programming with a "major" announcement?

Damn did I manage to plug into a virtual reality game? Will someone please tell me how to end this program??

Or have I been in a coma -- and all of this is the result of a really big bump on my head?

If this were a plot in a novel I'd burn the novel.

[Maple]

4. Again, this is hilarious!

Chechens want independence from Russia.

They have zip interest in the US.

[JackDragna]

5. George Noory?

The lunatic host of "Coast to Coast?" The man usually talks about spiritual healing and other such nutjob topics. I wouldn't trust the man with a real news story as far as I could throw him.

[DavidFL]

23. I agree. I can't listen to Coast to Coast AM anymore...

even if there's nothing else on the radio because it became so disgustingly obvious they were pushing neocon/"Christian Right" propaganda, which doesn't suprise me because it's mostly broadcast on Clear Channel stations. Every now and then Noory will have a worthwhile guest, but the show's turned into nothing more than a forum for every rightwing kook and crackpot with a book or subscription-based website to push.

I remember hearing about this story this summer on the program, and I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think Noory had either Steve Quayle or Doug Hagmann, or both of them, on talking about it. I figured it was a bunch of b.s. because Quayle is one of the "Christian Right"/Dominionists. Hagmann runs some oogie boogie "homeland security" website -- I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head -- which is pure neocon/Likudnik propaganda. Basically, it's a collection of reports to make the rubes who read it believe terrorists are hiding under their bed, etc., things like that. It was also the only place the Nick Berg beheading video could be found, despite the media claiming it was posted on a website that I remember people had a hard time accessing, or could not access.

[earthside]

34. Sad About Coast to Coast

I've been an Art Bell fan for years.

I don't believe any of this supernatural, occult, UFO stuff ... but the radio show was great late night entertainment. (Althought I do think that Bell and Streiber did write an important book "The Coming Global Super Storm".)

But George Noory is ruining the program. He is clearly a NewsMax, WorldNetDaily, Drudge follower.

Coast to Coast worked with Bell because is so assiduously AVOIDED politics. But Noory is slowly but surely departing from that successful formula.

Too bad ... I don't listen nearly as much as I used to.

[JackDragna]

40. I noticed that, too.

Art was an interesting listen. Nothing quite like hearing someone call in and tell Art about how they traveled to another dimension. I wish Art would go back to doing the show on weeknights.

[spooked]

41. George Noory is EXCELLENT!

He does a wonderful job as host of Coast to Coast during the week. (Art Bell is host on the Weekends). Noory is often outspoken against Bush and just the other night had a guest talking about how this administration had foreknowledge of 9/11.

GEORGE ROCKS!!!!

[kysrsoze]

6. Hmmmm...would have figured they'd be wearing camo backpacks

or don't they make those for the military? What an absolute crock of shit. Now will they catch these terrsts or allow them to attack us again? I'm a little freaked out about this stuff combined with Dayton's exodus from Washington. WTF is going on?

[neomonkey]

7. Idiot King has been exposed for the phony he is

Now the fear campaign will begin.

The worse he does tomorrow, the deeper the fear will begin.

Oh my gosh, these are the same people who killed all those children in Russia! Security moms, you need to re-elect Bush, he will save us!

[kayell]

45. All real terrorists dress in black don't you know? Its just not done to

wear camo in good terrorist circles. Camo is for those good old boys like Eric Rudolph, real US patriots. A terrorist in camo would just be a terrible fashion faux pas.

[Kimber Scott]

8. Oh, dude. Let's wear our Chechen Rebel backpacks and sneak into the U.S.

via the Mexican Border. We'll be real inconspicuous in our Chechen Rebel backpacks. We'll blend right in with all the poor Mexican immigrants who don't even have canteens, much less these cool backpacks. Oh, and if anybody does see us, it will be real scary on the news. "Chechen Rebels wear Chechen Rebel Suits to sneak into the U.S. Beware of accented men in funny clothing. They will be trying to blend into the neighborhood. Become invisible, so to speak. They're wearing Chechen Rebel Suits and carrying black fancy-ass backbacks and are depending on nobody noticing their presence. Vote for Bush."

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. And they're doing this because....????

[shraby]

11. That story was floated

a couple of months ago and nothing came of it. Looks like it's being resurrected.

[oldhat]

13. ARRRRGH!!!!!!! EVERYONE PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!

[Roland99]

10. Gertz probably whacks off to pictures of Rove every night

I wouldn't believe him if he told me the sky was blue.

[NightOwwl]

12. This article reads like a joke! Some snippets:

Here's the scare tactic:

"U.S. security officials are investigating a recent intelligence report that a group of 25 Chechen terrorists illegally entered the United States from Mexico in July."

but wait:

"The intelligence report was supplied to the U.S. government in late August or early September"

just to be on the safe side:

"Authorities also were advised to remain alert for "static surveillance" by people who may be disguised as panhandlers, shoeshiners, newspaper or flower vendors, or street sweepers who seem out of place in a particular area."

add children to the mix:

"The Education Department letter said that school officials should examine "protective measure guidance" for helping to prevent and respond to a similar terrorist attack, were it to occur in the United States."

but wait:

"The notice said the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are "currently unaware of any specific, credible information indicating a terrorist threat to public and private schools, universities or colleges in the United States."

uh oh, maybe the threat is serious:

"Fears of an attack on American schools also were raised by the recent discovery in Iraq of a computer disk containing data showing the layout of six schools in the United States, including districts in California, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, New Jersey and Oregon."

or maybe not:

"However, FBI officials said on Friday that there did not appear to be a terrorist threat connected to the computer disk"

[neomonkey]

18. Right out of their playbook, isn't it?

You think they would try to throw in a dose of originality or creativity, but it's the same tired rigamoral. This is the Washington Times, can't expect much. I fear this bullshit story will get legs.

This has been floated quite a bit, but now they are pushing it a little further. Am I to assume they will suddenly arrest a bunch of these "terrorists" handing out Jehovah Witness literature in East L.A.? Will Shrub be our hero again?

[Borgnine]

14. Alert the security moms!

This smells like an October Surprise to me.

[Hard Attack]

17. Bush Insists Only Hard Working Mexicans Cross The Border

Bush Insists Only Hard Working Mexicans Cross The Border ---

LOL, ya know, when bush said that on his O'Really Interview, he lost many votes in Texas and Arizona and if this turns out to be anything, Bush Lost the States COmpletely.

[AlCzervik]

19. Who exactly is the moonie times trying to take out with this story?

McCain?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

20. well, there's your october surprise

time to turn the terra alert dial up to burt umber

either this or the sinclair mess-either way, ol' rove is right on schedule

[MidwestTransplant]

21. When the school scare get's shot down, time to try something else.

[Rex_Goodheart]

22. Why sweat it? The story CAN'T be true.

After all, we're fighting them in Iraq so that we don't have to fight them here.

[Chomskyite]

24. This smelled like Bill Gertz before I clicked through

. . . and when I clicked through, yep, it was Bill Gertz all right.

If you want to know how much credibility to give this, all you need do is check his books out at your local library (do NOT buy them).

He should be shelved with the None Dare Call It Treason guy, or the Fiction section.

[nolabels]

25. We have several groups of armed thugs here in America

I they want to make a name for them selves tell them to take a number and wait their damn turn :shrug:

[riverwalker]

26. "middle eastern looking men"

from Chechnya, is what Noory said. Wouldn't they be more "eastern european" looking? All dressed in black and with backpacks. Just in time to scare the bejeezus out of voters with the school carnage still fresh in their minds. Noory has become a mole and his politics are becoming too much of his show.

[Aidoneus]

28. most Chechens are pretty white, actually

being the original "Caucasians", after all.. This piece is bullshit, but it's required:--the "Chechen trace" must periodically be uncovered everywhere, or else the Sun will implode and all life on earth will be extinguished in a long drawn out chain reaction. So Noory and the rest tasked with pushing these stories aren't paranoid idiots, they're saving all life on the planet..

Actually, the school bit--in the official commission, it's come out that pretty much most of the dead & "missing" came from the tanks, rocket launchers, and flamethrowers used to "liberate" the place. The Russian government doesn't want all parts of the report to be made public, because it's just too scary. Most of those who took the place were from the other North Caucasus republics, also Russian Slavs, a Ukrainian, and a man from Siberia; it was planned mainly by a Russian Colonel, an Ingush, a Ukrainian-Osset, and a Karachai "mastermind" sort of bloke who did not participate.

Anyway, the last band of "Arab terrorists" caught crossing the border were actually native american indians.. but they're all the same to al-Cracka. BE AFRAID! BOO! BOOGY-BOOGY-BOOGY!

[rman]

27. oh sure,

obviously the best place to defend Chechenia against Russia is inside the US.

[Moderator]

29. Your headline does not match the article posted

Checked the pinned rules for posting in LBN at the top of the forum.

The subject line should match the title of the article exactly.

[bushwakker]

30. This is part of the "they're gonna shoot up your school" campaign

I remember hearing how the violence at the school in Russia had given AWOL an uptick in the polls with "Security Moms". These people are sick.

[Wright Patman]

31. There are a lot of Al-CIAda

trained Chechens who are sent all over the world on orders of The Company and/or Mossad. Putin has all but explicitly stated he believes this to be the case. That's when our media, as if on cue, jumped on his as an aspiring dictator. Pay no attention to the fact that * is not just aspiring, but well on his way to achieving dictatorship.

[trapper914]

32. Bill Gertz

What a joke. Over the past three years, the right has trotted out his articles as "proof" of WMD, Iraq/Al Qaeda connections, and more. Obviously, none were true. Notice how no one ever goes on record in one of his "scoops." You'd think something as important as terrorists crossing the border would get at least one high ranking official to go on the record.

And, like others here, I question why Chechens would come all the way here to attack the U.S. when they are having no problem attacking their real enemy at home. Gertz is only using Chechens to play the school angle and scare soccer moms.

[leftchick]

33. will this be read on c-span this morning?

it pisses me off that they read from this piece of trash daily!

[auburngrad82]

35. So how'd they get past the Homeland Security?

And how is Bush going to blame Kerry for this?

[Snellius]

36. If they know this much, why don't they know everything?

"25 Chechen rebels, wearing black paramilitary backpacks"? How do they know they're 25? Would an undercover terrorist really march into this country together "wearing black paramilitary backpacks"?

[yellowcanine]

37. If the "Intelligence" is this good - why weren't they stopped?

"Intelligence officials state that 25 Chechen rebels, wearing black paramilitary backpacks, have entered the United States across the Mexican border."


Holy cow - they have descriptions of their BACKPACKS, HOW MANY, and NATIONALITY? You only get that kind of detail with people on the ground observing. Not one of these "observers" thought to say to his handler - "You better notify Border Control and the military - we are being invaded by Chechen rebels."

I think this story is Moonie Times bullshit.

[librechik]

38. cuz all our guys are busy fighting in Iraq!

anybody could come in here, while they're over there.

[jackieforthedems]

39. Maybe They're Headed

for the ranch in Crawford, TX?

[Bridget Burke]

42. Let's hope they don't find a Land's End catalog...

They'll replace those black backpacks with something more colorful.

[spooked]

43. Reported today at Russian site. This is the OCTOBER SURPRISE!

Anonymous, conditions of anonymity, unable to verify, not sure if report is true...Sounds like an October surprise to me!



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1018.htm

Chechen Terrorists With Backpacks Cross Into Arizona From Mexico — Report



U.S. security officials are investigating a recent intelligence report that 25 Chechen militants illegally entered the United States from Mexico in July. The group, linked to separatists in Chechnya that took part in the deadly Beslan school siege last month, reportedly crossed into a mountainous part of Arizona from northern Mexico, wearing backpacks, The Washington Times reported, citing officials speaking on conditions of anonymity.

The area was said to be difficult for U.S. border guards to monitor.
The intelligence report was supplied to the U.S. government in late August or early September and was based on information from an intelligence source that has been proved reliable in other instances, one official was quoted as saying.
But he added that he did not know whether the report was true.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection was aware of the intelligence report and confirmed it to The Washington Times, but a spokesman said agents were unable to verify it. U.S. security officials are on alert for al Qaeda members allegedly planning to cross over into the United States from the south after an operative was reportedly spotted in Mexico.

Chechen separatists have been linked in the past to al Qaeda.

[951]

44. I believe they got their story from this George Nobrains guy

The story is a hoax IMO