Four Americans killed IN IRAQ GREEN ZONE

[Proud2BAmurkin]

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents penetrated Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone and detonated explosives at a market and a popular cafe Thursday, killing five people, including four Americans, in the first bombings inside the compound housing the U.S. and Iraqi government headquarters.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=2&u=/ap/20041014/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

[rkc3]

1. The terrorists are really on the run now.

We've got 'em cornered.

[BJ]

2. This IS the October surprise.

I've been saying, to anyone who cares for weeks, that the October surprise is going to be fighting breaking out in the so-called Green Zone in Baghdad.

Repiglicans who aren't hardcore, Bible-thumpers will either abandon Bush and vote for Kerry or stay away from the polls.

Bombing and fighting errupting in the Green Zone is bad news for Bush/Cheney.

[mumon]

31. Me too.

It's here, and it's after the debates.

[aquart]

A friend has a nephew in the Green Zone.

He just got there. He is her only nephew. From her only brother. She herself is on her third recurrence of cancer.

[cthrumatrix]

3. my prayers for all military families... may God bless them and all

innocent Iraq's caught up in this mess.

[Wright Patman]

12. Good prayer

only you need to add American civilians after this. And all this time they thought only Iraqi civilians were fair game.

[Corgigal]

4. It was only a matter of time

After reading the article in this months Atlantic about the green zone, I amazed it didn't happen earlier.

[Corgigal]

5. the article link below

in case anyone wanted to read it

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200411/langewiesche

[Emboldened Chimp]

6. Cool, I was just about to ask...thanks for posting...

[Journeyman]

9. And after discovery of the bomb in the Green Zone restaurant. . .

last week, I expect we'll read of a massive attack, something akin to the Lebanon Barracks, sometime in the near future. Ramadan starts tomorrow, IIRC.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. "First bombings" maybe...but they've been mortaring the Green....

...Zone almost daily, along with some rocket attacks.

[whistle]

8. Yikes, the green Zone is most definitely not a safe house for U.S.

...troops. More like a cluster target zone for resistance gernade and mortar launchers. Death toll just keeps climbing, my prayers go out to the families. :cry:

Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
3 232 8 12 252 2.33 108
2 715 27 58 800 1.89 424
1 139 33 0 172 4 43
Total 1086 68 70 1224 2.13 575

[leftchick]

10. There are 10,000 Iraqis living in the Green Zone....

How many are Resistance sympathizers? Time to rename it the Red Zone. Sleep well tonight Allawi and Negroponte. It is time to leave Iraq to the Iraqis...


<Lt Col James Hutton, a spokesman for the 1st Cavalry Division, said the blasts appeared to be caused by "hand-carried explosives". They sent a large plume of thick, black smoke rising from the zone, home to about 10,000 Iraqis alongside US troops and international officials and contractors.>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1327383,00.html




U.S. Army soldiers rush to the scene after 'hand-carried ' explosives went off at a cafe shop inside the 'Green Zone' in Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), Thursday, Oct. 14, 2004. Insurgents set off 'hand-carried' explosives at a bazaar and cafe in Baghdad's Green Zone, killing eight civilians and wounding a number of others in the heavily guarded compound that is home to the U.S. Embassy and Iraqi government offices, officials said. (AP Photo/Stuart Francis)

[spinbaby]

11. welcome to Ramadan

n/t

[Hand]

13. History repeats itself...

It's the Battle of Algiers redux. Except that these stupid fuckers never learned the mistakes of the past and are repeating them now (blatant steal from G. Santayana).

:grr:

[FightingIrish]

14. Another Vietnam parallel

This reminds me of the Viet Cong sapper attacks that were a common and effective tactic against U.S. bases.

[Barrett808]

15. At least eight killed, four wounded in Baghdad Green Zone attack

At least eight killed, four wounded in Baghdad Green Zone attack
Thu Oct 14, 7:57 AM ET

BAGHDAD (AFP) - At least eight civilians were killed and four wounded in a mortar or rocket attack on Baghdad's fortified Green Zone, home to the American embassy and the Iraqi government, a US army spokesman told AFP.

"Six civilians were killed and three wounded at the Green Zone Bazaar and two civilians were killed and one wounded at the Green Zone cafe," the military spokesman said Thursday referring to two locations popular with US soldiers and civilians.

The spokesman said there were still more wounded being pulled out from the wreckage of the open-air restaurant.

(more)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=afp/iraq_us_toll

[Eye and Monkey]

32. "at the Green Zone Cafe"??? Seems like "an eye for an eye" doesn't it?

A US air attack on a Fallujah cafe, coupla days later, attack at the Green Zone Cafe. Hmmm.

[daleo]

16. All DynCorp employees apparently (mercs?)

AP: Blasts Kills 4 DynCorp Employees, 2 State Department officials injured

[TheKingfish]

17. Good news?

The resistance is getting desperate...

[daleo]

18. I don't doubt that will be the spin some officials will use

"We've got them on the run, and have chased them right into the green zone, where we can get them."

[barb162]

19. since I put NOTHING past Bush, it wouldn't surprise me at all

if he says this today

[tblue37]

24. Remember that "flypaper" theory they floated about Iraq?

Maybe they will trot that one out again.

[barb162]

27. No, what was this theory?

(are you talking about Bush and the "bring 'em on" line?

[tblue37]

33. When it was pointed out that

although terrorists had not operated in Iraq before the invasion, they were now pouring over the borders, Bush administration officials claimed this was part of the strategy to defeat terrorists. Iraq would function like flypaper, attracting the terrorists to a single place where they would be stuck and we could then deal with them at our leisure.

[barb162]

35. oh, okay, I had not heard the term "flypaper"

[teryang]

36. They dropped that "flypaper" analogy quickly

Once it became apparent who is really stuck. It was a falsehood from the beginning of course.

Fighting an asymetric war at the end of overextended lines of communction with people you don't understand is the apex of stupidity. The defense contractors running the Pentagon just don't want to spend money on the highly trained personnel and mundane logistic items and support infrastructure that you need to have to fight that kind of war. In fact, I would suggest that the American armed forces are incapable of winning this kind of war just because the highly trained individuals and expensive ground organization you need is anathema to a Pentagon management that caters to aerospace industry boondoogles. The cost of equipping and training an appropriate force is cost prohibitive. Hence, Shinseki had to be relieved. That is why we normally manipulate foreign nations by proxy, subversion, bribes, military advisory groups and so on. To do otherwise is just a stupid waste of resources.

The AirForce is running things still on a cold war budget priority basis. This means inadequate ground forces, inadequate ground force equipment and training, and inadequate human intelligence, civil affairs, public health and engineering efforts.

Our conventional forces fighting on the ground in Iraq in urban environments is like a boxer getting in the ring with a no holds barred extreme fighting champion. The fact is that the advantage of the firepower of our forces is a liability in urban ground warfare. Bombing residential areas just increases the resistance. Most expert studies show that bombing is completely ineffective and counterproductive in getting populations to submit. Are we ready to go in on the ground and kill them to a man, woman and child? What would that cost? We play a futile game of whack a mole.

[Aidoneus]

28. desperate? I was thinking more along the lines of "effective"..

The so-called "Green Zone" is, theoretically, the most secure location that is under occupation (in reality, the most secure places in Iraq are the Kurdish areas and the liberated city of Fallujah). If the fighters can enter this location, weapons in hand, and strike at the enemy forces and mercenaries, that is a strike that signifies not desperation but of hightened abilities.
If the enemy jets want to bomb a restaurant in Fallujah, then they will have one of theirs hit as well. At least in the Green Zone, there are not innocents but rather the very heart of the occupation and the collaborationist regime.

[bemildred]

30. A few more of these and we can start to speculate

about how long before we get get the last helicopter on
the roof scene. It would be a damn shame if Negroponte and
Allawi missed the last flight.

[goodboy]

20. God help 'em. (nt)

[hatrack]

21. Smokin' 'em outta their holes, smokin' 'em into the Green Zone

This is just another sign of desperation by dead-ender Baathists, disgruntled Iraqi former military, foreign terrorists, pissed-off family members of those killed during the past 18 months, angry Iraqi police being blackmailed by Al Qaeda, former Saddam bureaucrats, folks who hate freedom, renegade members of the Iraqi National Guard, turncoat members of the Iraqi National Congress, followers of Moqtada al Sadr, followers of Grand Ayatollah Sistani, Iranian political operatives, Saudi provocateurs, members of the Iraqi National Education Association and a hardcore cadre of enraged ethnic Arab dentists.

Aside from these minor obstacles, freedom is most definitely on the march.

[TheKingfish]

22. Vietnam Math

I thought Sadr was taken care of since we have killed 4000 of his fighters out of a force of 300.

[llmart]

25. Yes, and the Iraqi's turned in all their weapons....

just the other day because they are sooooo afraid of us. And yet many Americans will still vote for this asshole. I will never understand their ignorance and apathy towards the lives being lost.

[DinahMoeHum]

23. The Green Zone - aka The Golden Ghetto.

:evilfrown:

[4dsc]

26. Remember Algiers

I remember seeing a film about the French a its occupation of Algiers and insurgency that took place ther in the 1960's.. This is a textbook lesson from that film..

We haven't seen nothing yet..

[JoFerret]

29. Does this man care?

[yellowcanine]

34. I guess this means we are winning because the terra-ists are getting

desperate at the thought of freedom winning.