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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:33 PM
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Kerry: Potential great for return of draft
There is "a great potential" for a military draft in the United States should President Bush win re-election in November, Democratic challenger John Kerry said Thursday during an interview with The Des Moines Register.

"With George Bush, the plan for Iraq is more of the same and the great potential of a draft," Kerry said during a meeting with Register reporters and editors before headlining a rally at the Iowa State Fairgrounds.

Bush campaign aides dismissed Kerry's comments as "irresponsible" and "the mother of all cheap political scare tactics."

Kerry and Bush have both said repeatedly that neither would reinstate the draft. Bush pledged during the debates to maintain the "all-volunteer army."

Kerry has said a draft is "possible" under Bush and has characterized the heavy use of National Guard and Reserve troops as a "backdoor draft."

Kerry's comments Thursday went further.

"With George Bush, the plan for Iraq is more of the same and the great potential of the draft. Because if we go it alone, I don't know how you do it with the current overextension" of the military, Kerry said.

http://www.dmregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041015/NEWS09/410150395/1001&lead=1
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:35 PM
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1. I don't have the link, but Hackworth seems to agree, from what
I read yesterday.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:49 PM
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10. Yes, Hack agrees...more bush = the draft
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:47 PM
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33. Yep......the way Bush is setting the US up as a TARGET, He's gonna
draft everyone!!!!

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:35 PM
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2. Combine this with the Tim Ryan speech! eom
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:35 PM
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3. "Read my lips, no new DRAFT!!", says George W Bush n/t


New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:38 PM
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4. Bush should know all about cheap political scare tactics
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:38 PM
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5. The GOP/media hates it when Kerry tells the truth.
Look for him to be roundly attacked by Bush, CNN and the rest for telling the truth again.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:33 PM
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26. NEW Skills, Medical, Combat Draft info below -- Hang FLYER!


CAN YOU AFFORD TO TRUST BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS ON THE DRAFT?



The most important thing to keep in mind is that the Bush Administration could add several billion dollars to the Defense budget and add two active-duty divisions to the military to save the Volunteer Army. John Kerry is actually proposing just that in his $7 billion plan to add the 2 divisions, and strengthen the military with increased benefits, a doubling of Special Ops and several other programs like his volunteer Civilian Stability Corps (kind of a Peace Corps on steroids).

Yet instead Bush is stretching the Army so thin, they are now calling up the retired Individual Ready Reserve—and they have even sent Company B of the Arlington Color Guard to the Mideast, giving them real bullets instead of the blanks they were firing at military funerals. If they want to preserve the Volunteer Army, as Bush said in the first debate, and not have to reinstate the combat draft, why has the Bush Administration not added the several billion needed to avoid having to call a draft? Out of the $200 billion allocated for Iraq, not one penny was ever allocated to do this.



Timeline of activity on Skills and Medical Drafts

Feb. 11 2003—Top-level meeting between the head of the SSS and Deputy Undersecretary Abell in charge of Personnel and Readiness of the DoD on a new type of draft, the Skills Draft. This is the meeting recorded in the unpublicized Agenda Document, revealed by a Freedom of Information Act request in May 2004, which recommends a Skills Draft and an upgrading of the Medical Draft. The memo proposes the SSS be able to call up any number of several hundred skills the Pentagon and even the Dept. of Homeland Security might be short of. Option 3 of the agenda’s “Next Steps” outlined moving “promptly” to change the mission of the SSS, to actively plan and prepare for the massive datbase needed to track men and women, “virtually every young American” under 35 and their skills (more details below). The SSS goes back to the drawing board after this meeting, encouraged enough to do some more planning.
http://www.blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

Summer 2003—A drive begins to start filling Draft Board vacancies by asking current board members to find new ones. (Salon, "Oiling Up the Draft Machine")

July 25, 2003
– World Net Daily article on plans for the medical draft (HCPDS). System could draft up to 80,000 doctors, nurses and specialists, men and women.
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33754

Fall 2003 - In its July 13th , 2004 article, “Could Your Child Be Drafted?”, Family Circle reported that in the Fall of 2003, “Karl Rove polled Republican members of Congress on how they felt about the draft. They said they'd support the President.” Despite Family Circle’s circulation of 23 million, this charge was never refuted by the White House. http://www.oregonparentsunited.org/articles_could_your_child_be_drafted.htm

Fall 2003—DoD announces critical skills shortages in linguists, computer experts and engineers. SSS Director Brodsky orders the designing of the SKILLS DRAFT procedures, the registration card, and the massive database needed to track every young American under the age of 35 AND their skills (the first step in creating a database is to decide what data fields are needed). The two-year process to gear up SKILLS DRAFT starts a year ago, in Fall 2003, meaning a skills draft could be ready in late 2005 (a new law would have to be passed by the Congress and signed by the President along the lines suggested in “Next Steps” at the end of the Skills Draft Agenda document).

September, 2003 – Acting SSS Director Brodsky, misleads J. E. McNeil, the head of Center on Conscience & War, a Conscientious Objector support and information group, telling her that in February of 2003 the SSS had to “justify their existence” before a hostile committee and that the Skills Draft “planning” was just a way to keep the Selective Service funded for another year. In reality, the SSS and DoD were having the Skills Draft meeting in that same month of February and he himself had just started designing the new draft registration cards and procedures, making it his top priority when the Pentagon announced the critical skills shortages. http://www.nisbco.org/UAA/03152004.html

September 23, 2003 – Draft Board Recruitment ad appears on Defense.Link site. First public ad for Draft Boards in decades. Page scrubbed within a few days of being noticed by some media in early November. Spokesman says there is “no plan” to reinstate draft, that it must be authorized by Congress. Public concern over new draft begins. “If a military draft becomes necessary," the notice explained, "approximately 2,000 Local and Appeal Boards throughout America would decide which young men, who submit a claim, receive deferments, postponements or exemptions from military service, based on Federal guidelines."
http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/draft-boards.htm

November 2003—Draft board ad scrubbed.


Nov. 12, 2003
– “If President Bush is re-elected, it is likely that he will reinstate the draft. The war on terrorism will not end in Iraq, but instead will proceed into countries like Syria and Iran," said Daniel Ellsberg, of Pentagon Papers fame.

Dec. 2003Acting SSS Director Brodsky announces the Skills Draft to be the “top priority” of the SSS in the Winter 2003 newsletter The Register, talking of rapid progress to come on the Skills Draft. As with the health care draftees, no medical deferments are allowed in the Skills Draft except for total disability. Startling inside information is revealed: “SSS officials consulted with DoD planners to learn that medical personnel, computer specialists and linguists are difficult to recruit and hard to retain. There are also fears that lengthy and repetitive activations of Guard and Reserve members will boost Reserve Component attrition rates. So a principal objective of PIP-2003 is to shift the Agency’s focus away from maintaining a high state of readiness to execute a large draft of untrained manpower and toward preparing for a much smaller draft of trained personnel possessing critical skills needed for military service in a national crisis.” This is a direct statement the Selective Service is focused on “preparing” a Skills Draft, that it is not just a planning paper or “food for thought”. In addition, there is the internal Pentagon fear that the Guard and Reserves will not meet re-enlistment rates, despite public statements by DoD spokesmen and Rumsfeld himself that a draft is not needed.
http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/NovDec2003-Register.pdf (go to P. 6)

March 13, 2004—Word of Skills Draft leaks out in a SF Chronicle story—the SSS admits it but tells reporters it’s just a “planning contingency.” In a misleading statement to allay fears, the SSS also says it would take 2 years to gear up and work the kinks out of a Skills Draft and that there is no funding for it. In fact, the SSS admits 6 weeks later that it has been actively designing the procedures and the data fields to be used on the Skills and Medical Registration cards since Fall of 2003 when the Pentagon announced shortages in liguists, computer experts and engineers. And SSS Spokesman Richard Flavahan contradicts spokesman Amon saying: "We want to gear up and make sure we are capable of providing (those types of draftees) since that's the more likely need," Eric Rosenberg, the reporter on the story, finds out about the Feb. 11 meeting agenda document and files a Freedom of Information Act request to get a copy.

May 1, 2004—Eric Rosenberg’s writes an article on the Skills Draft Agenda memo with the memo in hand—but fails to mention several key points: skills conscription would be expanded to fill labor shortages throughout the Dept of Homeland Security, which is 1/3 of the whole government, the Skills Draft can be called without a combat draft, Skills induction will take a mere 90 days of reauthorization, the SSS wanted to “promptly” change the very MISSION of the SSS, and so on. The article does, however, reveal many major points of the sweeping plan. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

May 2, 2004 – Second Rosenberg article with memo in hand. “"These ideas were only being floated for Department of Defense consideration," Amon said. He described the proposal as "food for thought" for contingency planning.” “Nonetheless, Flahavan said, “the agency has begun designing procedures to conduct a targeted registration and draft of people with computer and language skills, in case military officials and Congress authorize it.” In actuality, however, the SSS was right then designing the cards and data fields needed for the entire Skills Draft and upgrading the Medical Draft based on that design work, they were not just working on a draft for computer and language skills. http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/dailystar/20404.php

Summer, Fall, 2004—Mock Combat Draft Lottery held, and sample medical exam report orders issued to sample addresses with mailing list software. Alternative Service is geared up for first time in 31 years. Papers to place Conscientious Objectors with employers as Alternative Service Workers are actually drawn up. With the Alternative Service for the first time geared up in the culmination of a 5-year readiness plan, the SSS is brought up to 95% operational capability. Full Medical Draft capability is set for 2005, and all DRAFT BOARD vacancies are to be filled by Spring 2005, according to column by Ted Rall. The SSS must report to the Director on March 31, 2005, that the entire system could be operational within 75 days. This means that all 1,980 local draft board offices would be open by June 15, 2005. Theoretically, the first draft lottery for Combat for 20 year-olds and older Skills and Medical registrants could then take place. httP://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.HTML

Sept 13, 2004—Agenda memo of key Feb 2003 meeting posted on the Web. The .PDF file reveals the full scope of the Feb.11 agenda and, in the context of the statements by Flavahan and Brodsky, makes clear the SSS was told by the Pentagon a year ago to go ahead with the Skills Draft. What Option 3a and 3b at the end of the memo indicates for the future of “virtually every young American” can now be read by everyone, so each person can decide for themselves what it may mean to them.

Sept 20, 2004 – Howard Dean reports in a column entitled: “Hidden Agenda: A National Draft in the Future?” that two draft board members told him that the Selective Service has informed boards that a draft is coming next year: “Selective Service boards have already been notified that 20-year-olds and medical personnel will be called up first.”
http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_13568.shtml


Sept 27, 2004 – When the Rocky Mtn News noted the Feb. 11 memo itself was circulating on the Internet, SSS Spokesman Amon “said the memo was authentic, but he called it nothing more than a ‘food for thought kind of thing’ that was largely rejected inside the Pentagon.” These were the same exact words he used in early 2004, despite Flavahan’s “gear up” statement, and the revelation that the SSS had been “designing procedures” and data fields for the Skills Draft since Fall of 2003. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/election/article/0,1299,DRMN_36_3212279,00.html

October 7, 2004 – Rock The Vote posts Feb. 11 Agenda memo on their Blog!

http://blog.rockthevote.com



HANG UP THIS FLYER EVERYWHERE!!
Printable pdf: http://somnamblst.tripod.com/draftalert.pdf

More: http://blatanttruth.org/draft.php


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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 09:41 PM
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35. Fantastic Post DWW
I'm sharing a link to your post with everyone I know. Thank you for compiling all this info.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:39 PM
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6. good for him
:D
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:40 PM
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7. "the mother of all cheap political scare tactics.":
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Devil Dog Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 01:57 PM
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18. Oh my God! What an ad!
Dem should run this, it might actually keep people's attention for 2 minutes!

I'll repost it from Jen6's post:
http://homepage.mac.com/noaheichen/iMovieTheater28.html
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:40 PM
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8. CODE PURPLE WITH PINK POLKA DOTS!!!
TERRA TERRA THEY WANNA KILL YOUR KIDS IN SCHOOL!!!!!!!

Now THAT is the "mother of all cheap political scare tactics".
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:42 PM
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9. The draft issue
This admin has restaffed selective service boards, has plans for 30 years of war and has already instituted a back door draft through stop loss. We no longer have an all volunteer military. Fewer and fewer people will join. He will have no choice but to institute a draft. If he wins or steals this election he has nothing to lose if he reinstates the draft. He cannot run for a third term so a second term means he will be even less concerned with what the American people want.

This is a very dangerous and real possibility.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:50 PM
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12. Yes, and this time women will have to register. Crawling
around in the dirt is really rough on the hot chic look!

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional
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Mr E McSquare Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:24 PM
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24. How do you like gun control now??????
I'd like to see them come to my house looking for my wife.
Good luck.
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:49 PM
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11. Can
Kerry say there won't be a draft if he's elected?

What if he can't buy off other governments with Iraq contracts to send soldiers?

What if those leaders listen to their populations who were against the war?

Then what?

If Kerry wants to make sure we finish whatever the hell it is we're doing in Iraq, and he can't get an actual coalition to join in on the fun in Iraq(and whoever it is that's killing soliders and citizens there won't stop because a Democrat is in office), how does he figure to get that extra 40,000 troops he's talked about?

I know it's defensive around here, and I'm voting Kerry because I have to, but I'm just asking.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:01 PM
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19. Mark Shields said something that I think is pretty close to the truth.
He said that whether Bush or Kerry wins this election, we will be drwing down our troops by next year--only neither one of them dares to say so. There are too many people who think we have to stay in Iraq because if we don't it will descend into chaos, not realizing that it already has and that our rpesence is the problem, not the solution.

Kerry is doing with the antiwar base what Republicans usually do with their own base. He's hoping we recognize that he has to say what he has to say to get elected, and that he has to refrain from saying certain other things, as well.

Notice how Bush dodged the Roe v. Wade question? He knows he can't afford to lose swing voters over it, but also he knows his base will count on his doing what they want him to do about appointing anti-Roe judges and helping the fundies pass more and more restrictions on a woman's right to choose. Even his most rabid antiabortion base allows him to avoid squawking too loudly about it in the general campaign, because they want him to win, and they know he won't if he is too blunt.

I actually think Kerry plans to start drawing down troops by next summer. But I also think he knows if he admits that he will lose too many voters in the battleground states.

As for the extra 40,000 troops: The reason we don't have them is that Congress has established a legal limit to the size of our active duty army. Kerry plans to push to raise that limit, and then to recruit new active duty troops. If, as I believe he will, he starts pulling back from Iraq, so that being in the Army isn't damned near a matter of being sentenced to slavery, more people will sign up. The reason they aren't signing up now, despite the crummy economy, is that Iraq scares them. But once we are out of Iraq, the recruitment numbers will go up, because the military really is the only way out of poverty for a lot of kids.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:54 PM
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29. If we get out of Iraq
do we really need the 40,000 extra troops?
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elsiesummers Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:55 PM
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30. Yes - it was after first debate, BUT, Brooks said opposite.
Shields and Brooks bet dinner on this - Brooks said troops, no matter which is elected, will not be drawn down. I think they each are viewing Iraq thru partisan tinted glasses.

Carefully read the transcript of the first debate at www.debates.org. It's all in there.

Kerry said we will internationalize and that we have no long term designs on Iraq and to the US soldiers, "help is on the way."

Kerry also pointed out that the US under Bush is building 14 very permanent looking military bases in Iraq.

Bush said we will not leave until mission accomplished - specifically: (1)Generals on ground say Iraq can defend herself, (2) Stability in Iraq and (3) On path to Democracy. He said troops will leave when the mission (described above) is accomplished.

If you take them at their word (I know it's hard to take Bush at his word), My interpretation is that Kerry will internationalize and Bush will colonize. Bush wants to retain American access to oil, IMO.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:06 PM
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21. Kerry doesn't have plans to invade Iran.....
According to PNAC, the eventual goal of the Bush admin should be regime change in Iran.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:07 PM
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32. A good question, but I figure
if worse comes to worse, we can pay Iraqis to join the army/police force we are trying to get together.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:52 PM
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13. Up front, Kerry is and has always been my choice for President
even before he became the candidate. But I have a serious question about the draft: How is Kerry or for that matter Bush going to get enough people to fight the war in Iraq that Bush in the second debate declared to be "a long, long war", and possibly in other places without reinstating the draft?

I firmly believe that there will be if Bush is elected, but I fear that it might also have to be with our guy as well.

Calm my fears if you will. I would appreciate it. I hate war and want mankind to evolve to a higher plane than we're now occupying in our thinking. At some point in our evolution, shouldn't we be finding means to solve our problems than with killing those with whom we disagree?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 01:25 PM
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16. Telling the truth
For starters, when the country knows we will only go to war to honestly defend this country, the country responds.

On Iraq, when we start dealing honestly with the Iraqi people, the ME, and the world; the world will respond. If the Iraqi people felt the country was really in their hands, and could see the money flowing to them and not Halliburton, they'd have a vested interest to stop the insurgency as well.

Which doesn't solve everything in Iraq or Afghanistan, or the problems with terrorists in general, but it's a huge step in the right direction.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:10 PM
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22. Someone in the German admin already signaled there is a possibility...
that they could contribute troops, but this was later denied, probably because they want to stay on best terms with US just in case Bush gets reelected. The majority of their electorate support Kerry, so naturally they would want to reflect that.
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:47 PM
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28. IMO, the leadership of other nations is waiting for an opening.
Despite all of the stereotyping, the leaders of the world must know that the situation in Iraq has the potential to become much, much worse, and boil over and affect many more nations than just the U.S.

Right now, I think they are perfectly content to let Bush and us stew in our own juices for a while, and think about how we got into this mess in the first place. At the same time, they want to get Iraq under control.

Kerry represents an opportunity - a chance to aid the United States without giving in (in actuality or appearance) to our sinister leaders that created this mess. I think they will be eager to negotiate with him - Kerry would look diplomatic, and they would look responsible.

That's just my theory, but I think it's a good one.
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JuniorPlankton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 01:00 PM
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14. It's no more of a scare tactic
than * saying Kerry will raise taxes even when Kerry explicitly pledging not to.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:26 PM
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25. Or even worse
That a Kerry election will cause terrorist attacks...
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 01:21 PM
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15. Wish someone could substitute an enlistment form
Edited on Fri Oct-15-04 01:22 PM by rmpalmer
in place of the AWOL rally pledge forms.

Or hack the draft computers so all the young repukes get called first.

Be priceless to see the look on their faces as they opened up their "greetings from Uncle Sam" forms.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 01:29 PM
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17. Are people really believing this?
This coming from the same person who lied about WMD's and is still lying about every other third or fourth thing that comes out of his mouth? Shrub is a liar and everyone knows it!
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Pig_Latin_Lover Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:04 PM
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20. A taste of their own medicine
Bush has gone on record in saying that there won't be a draft, and he may mean it, but regardless of his true intentions, it's time the Bush campaign got a taste of their own medicine. Repeat that Bush wants a draft and it will be true.

Of course, the numbers go totally against Bush here anyway. We're running low on numbers and we already have the "backdoor draft" going on as we speak. Unless we turn to our allies or run a massive pullout of Iraq, we're going to need to increase our numbers in the near-future. Whether Bush wants one or not, it may just be true.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 08:57 PM
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34. Draft boards are ready
Edited on Fri Oct-15-04 09:30 PM by GinaMaria
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/03/draft/inde...

Oiling up the draft machine?
The Pentagon is quietly moving to fill draft board vacancies nationwide. While officials say there's no cause to worry, some experts aren't so sure.

I agree with you. There may be no choice. I hope young people are able to vote this year without problems. People away at school sometimes have residency challenges from those working the polls.


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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:57 PM
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23. More proof Bush doesn't understand basic math
just like his budgets.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:42 PM
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27. Here's an old article that made its way around here
Edited on Fri Oct-15-04 03:43 PM by GinaMaria
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/03/draft/index_np.html

Oiling up the draft machine?
The Pentagon is quietly moving to fill draft board vacancies nationwide. While officials say there's no cause to worry, some experts aren't so sure.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:05 PM
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31. Obivous outcome of policy
A draft is an obvious outcome of a policy that promotes global DOMINATION instead of global LEADERSHIP (Brezninski book title). I wish this phrase could have been used more in Kerry campaign, espcially with respect to the draft, uniting allies, and combating terror.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 09:52 PM
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36. Potential great for sunrise tomorrow. n/t

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