F911 shown in library. Freepers upset! Poll being Freeped!

[VegasWolf]

'Fahrenheit 9/11' To Be Shown At Polling Site

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/3824085/detail.html

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A hot-button film believed by some to be anti-Bush is getting multiple viewings at a local polling place the week before the election, NewsChannel5 reported.

Some say the West River branch library should not be playing politics.

Library user Jim Pengov is seeing red.

"Initially, I was floored," said Pengov, an Elyria resident.

The library is a polling place on Nov. 2 and the controversial movie critical of President George W. Bush is set to air three times the weekend before the election.

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The poll needs help!


New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

[Shoeempress]

1. What poll, it is no included in your post

[truthisfreedom]

2. it's part of the article... there's a box with yes/no and submit

click on the story.

[Clinton Crusader]

46. I dont see a poll

there's a link for email and print the story. Dont see a poll.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/3824085/detail.html
:kick:

[Kire]

49. I saw a poll with the word "sponsor" on it, then

I opened it again and it was a different ad

[Seabiscuit]

3. Click on the site. It's there.

And it *is* being freeped - 85% don't want the film shown at a library that's also going to be used as a polling place.

[skippythwndrdog]

6. It's partway down the page in the article column

[Worst Username Ever]

4. eh... i can kind of see their point

If fahrenhype was being shown at my local polling station, I would be pissed and probably citing every election law I could find. Fahrenheit 9/11 should be shown somewhere close, but not in polling place itself.

[flowomo]

7. well.... unless the polling area is somewhere away from the holdings...

I mean, do they have to take Moore's books off the shelves, too?

[Southpaw Bookworm]

8. It's a library

At the moment, it's not a polling place. If they were showing it on election day, that would be another matter. By your theory, they should also be preventing anyone from checking out any materials from their PoliSci collection as well, and hiding the copies of U.S. News and World Report.

[mitchtv]

9. it is only a polling place once or twice a year

the rest of the time it is a library, emminently appropriate. Fercrissakes. they are already under attack

[sandnsea]

15. They're showing both

"The library posted an announcement that "Farenhype 9/11" will be aired as well. Officials are hoping that this will provide political balance for airing "Fahrenheit 9/11."

[Worst Username Ever]

20. AH. Didn't see that part.

Then, if they are giving equal time, what the fuck are the freeps angry about. Jesus.

[sandnsea]

26. Sinclair? I just emailed

I don't know if they're a Sinclair affiliate or not, but I asked. And criticized the headline. Who's being political?

[CAcyclist]

35. That's insane

It's not going to be shown the day of the election, for crying out loud. Being a polling place doesn't make something a shrine! It's a library!

[Worst Username Ever]

44. Insane! HAHAHAAHA!

[Lorien]

53. It's still owned by the public, like the airwaves

Sinclair has broken the public trust by planning to show "Stolen honor" without balancing it with anti-Bush* programming.I'm all for free, public showings of F 9/11, but it would be best to do so on private property. I've even contacted my local library and asked them if they'll accept a donation of an F 9/11 DVD (they said they might, but it may not be put into circulation for some months. I chose to donate my DVD to the Kerry headquarters instead).I simply don't think it's wise to use taxpayer owned venues like a public library for activities that can be construed as partisan. Libraries have enough trouble with government funding; let's not give them (the very partisan government) any more reasons to cut them off. If your local library WILL accept a donation of an F 9/11 DVD, please give them one! They still can't censor what you have access to, after all (at least for the time being...)

[mitchtv]

5. done 85 to 15 bad

:(

[antonialee839]

14. They should check with David Smith

to see if F911 falls in the "news" category.

[skippythwndrdog]

10. Hate to say it, but

I can see the point. Polling places should be completely neutral.

We have to ask ourselves what we would say if an esentially anti-Kerry film were being shown at a polling place a week before the election?

After Florida in 2000, I don't want to see smudges on any election.

[GinaMaria]

17. What about church's used as polling places?

Should they be forbidden from any of their normal activities before an election? This is crazy.

[skippythwndrdog]

24. As I stated earlier, it's different.

Once aagain, I know far more chruchgoing Dems than repugs. But then, I don't feel that chruches should be in the political business either.

Falwell, Robertson, et al. are not churches. They're pandering fools out to drain other's pocketbooks.

[GinaMaria]

48. I responded to you below n/t

[nolabels]

28. We have already seen, in just this election, way too many

The whores that call them selves NEWS shouldn't even show them selves on the street. I remember everyone giving them a free pass back in the L.A riots(during Bush one) this, the most egregious example before the selection in 2000. This noted, I say if and when it does happen again, and all hell breaks out, I can easily remember who I will blame first.

We really never did have news in the true sense of the word, we just had varying degrees of propaganda

[scarletwoman]

29. It's a LIBRARY! It's only a "polling place" on election day!

The only "point" to this is that rightwingers will use ANYTHING to throw a fit over.

This "polling place" nonsense is a red herring. All kinds of public buildings are used as polling places, that doesn't mean that they can't serve their normal functions for the other 364 days of the year.

The normal function of a library is to make informational, educational, and entertainment materials publicly available. What happens in the building on an election day has NOTHING to do with the day-to-day mission of the library itself.

sw

[Book Lover]

33. The library is showing both F-hype and F-heit

That is balanced.

However, I have to ask you about places of worship that are used as polliing places. If I have to go into an RC church to vote, a strong argument can be made to ID that church as an anti-Kerry environment. Is that true, or even feasible?

[skippythwndrdog]

42. It's balanced only if both are shown an equal number of times

fair is fair. Regardless of what the opposition has done, will do and is doing, we don't need to climb down into the muck with them.

[CAcyclist]

36. So all the polling places in people's backyards -

they aren't allowed their freedom of speech to post political flyers in the days before the election as long as they take them down the day of the election?

It's only a polling place the day of the election - all the other days its NOT a polling place

How far does this restriction go in your mind?

Does the library have to remove all its political books, too?

[skippythwndrdog]

41. I just love a good dogpile.

Let's just agree to disagree on the appropriateness of showing either film that close to election day.

It's this simple, leftys will go see F 9/11 and go away happy that their tax dollars support their views. Neocons will do the same with hype.

It's a complex and slippery slope that doesn't allow full discussion in a blog such as this.

Give me a week or two for research and we can tackle it again. I'm trying to think instead of feel my way through this one.

[GinaMaria]

43. As a city girl, and poll watcher I can answer that for my city

campaign materials must be 50 feet from the polls (not the polling place, but the actual voting booth). This takes into account people who have signs in their yards and live next to or across from a polling place. Buildings can be really close together in the city, so this is how they've managed it. It also means that people campaigning, handing out flyers have to be 50ft. from the polls.

Hope this helps.

[George_S]

39. If shown on voting day, yes n/t

[sandnsea]

11. All's fair this year, apparently

If Sinclair is fair, this is fair. Fuck 'em.

[lebkuchen]

12. AAFES has stocked its shelves with F 9-11, in the PX and bookstore

Today I asked the PX clerk if they were selling many of the DVDs. She said, "Oh, yes, a lot. My mother said I should watch it, and I did, last week. It's great."

[GinaMaria]

13. should church's used as polling places

not be allowed to do their normal activities?

[skippythwndrdog]

18. It's a little different.

Besides, I know far more churchgoing Dems than Repugs.

[GinaMaria]

32. How is it different?

And What difference does the political philosophy of the congregation make? Am I supposed to change my opinion because you know more democratic churchgoers than republican?

Do you want to try to stop a preacher from doing something he or she would normally do in the church because it's a polling place. People of the community might go there to vote and hear the preacher's words ringing in their ears on election day. So what. Preachers preach politics all the time.

The library has a function. The community that supports the library is asking to borrow the DVD. The library is doing the right thing for it's patrons. One mass showing so all the people who keep asking for it can see it.


We seem to be going crazy with censorship. Let the preacher preach in his church. Let the library do it's library thing.

On edit: Wonder if we could donate enough copies to the library that they could satisfy demand?

[sandnsea]

21. Or hand out Bush garbage n/t

[slutticus]

16. done

[gratuitous]

19. One question

How did a Freeper find a library?

[MARALE]

22. You can click on more than once

And when you do, the other side goes up about 20 no's to your one yes. This poll is rigged, pay no attention to it.

[slutticus]

25. I noticed that to.

I have more important things to do than to click a poll several hundred times.

[CAcyclist]

38. I just called and complained

I just called to complain that the survey is rigged. They said they would look into it. I also complained about the wording of the question: if you just read the headline and the question without reading the story you wouldn't know that the film is going to be shown on a different day than the election.

[goodboy]

23. would they be upset if "stolen honor" were shown....nt

[Lorien]

27. Public airwaves and public libraries shouldn't be

used to advance a partisan agendas. The group should have found another place to show the film, IMHO.

[scarletwoman]

31. Did you read the article?

The library is NOT "advancing a partisan agenda"!

For one thing, they've scheduled a showing of "FarenHYPE 9/11" as well, for "balance": The library posted an announcement that "Farenhype 9/11" will be aired as well. Officials are hoping that this will provide political balance for airing "Fahrenheit 9/11."

And for another thing, the library's REASON for showing "Fahrenheit 9/11" is perfectly rational -- quote: Kressa said the move came in and she just wanted to accommodate all the people on a waiting list to sign the movie out, so she thought it would be a good idea to show the film in the library's movie room.

Why SHOULDN'T a library, which makes ALL kinds of material available to the public, make a good faith effort to meet the high demand for a particular item? Especially when they are accomodating the other side of the argument by showing the other film?

Is that not responsible civic action?

sw

[w4rma]

34. The library is showing both F911 and Fhype911. Let them be. (nt)

[Lorien]

52. If there's equal time then I've got no problem with it

(although fehrenhype is PURE propaganda without a factual basis, unlike F 9/11).

[Bridget Burke]

37. Then go down to your public library & purge the shelves.

I'm sure some of the books contain opinions. Be sure to check the magazines, as well.

[CAcyclist]

40. Oh come on!

Don't buy into the Republican propaganda that says that everything that disagrees with them is necessarily biased.

[Cerridwen]

30. 85-15 - No.....

[Swamp Rat]

45. I couldn't find the poll you mentioned.

There's another poll about naked people in front of your house.

Jim Pengov is a Nazi.

[VegasWolf]

47. The poll has been removed from the web page -- good work

guys for exposing hypocriscy!!!


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[1monster]

50. No, it is still there. I just checked.

They may have taken it down for a short while to draw DU attention away from it, but it is back up as of at least ten minutes ago.

[yardwork]

51. My polling place is a fundamentalist church

We have to vote in the church itself, right in front of the alter. We have to walk past all kinds of posters, wall hangings, pamphlets, books - you name it - that represent a fundamentalist Christian point of view.

How come it's ok to require people to vote in churches, but not ok to show a movie in a library that will be used as a polling place weeks later?

[Unforgiven]

54. Just voted

but poll heavily freeped.

[VegasWolf]

55. Poll still apparently corrupted 84 - 16 against. looks like

they are using the old "LIKELY VOTER" algorithm;

if vote == "yes"
then add 1 to yes_counter & add 3 to no_counter
else
add 1 to no_counter

[Eric J in MN]

56. Only 16% yes to to showing it (nt0

nt

[sangh0]

57. Done

.

[Zerex71]

58. Aww...we have to sit through their Sinclair crap but

they can't handle F9/11? Cry me a river, babies!

Mike