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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:49 PM
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Independent Review Finds Bush Records National Guard Officials Misse
Independent Review Finds Bush Records Texas National Guard Officials Missed


Weeks after Texas National Guard officials signed an oath swearing they had turned over all of President Bush's military records, independent examiners found more than two dozen pages of previously unreleased documents about Bush.

The two retired Army lawyers went through Texas files under an agreement between the Texas Guard and The Associated Press, which sued to gain access to the files. The 31 pages of documents turned over to AP Thursday night include orders for high-altitude training in 1972, less than three months before Bush abruptly quit flying as a fighter pilot.

The discovery is the latest in a series of embarrassments for Pentagon and Texas National Guard officials who have repeatedly said they found and released all of Bush's Vietnam-era military files, only to belatedly discover more records. Those discoveries - nearly 100 pages, including Bush's pay records and flight logs - have been the result of freedom of information lawsuits filed in federal and Texas courts by AP.

A Texas National Guard spokesman defended the continuing discoveries, saying Guard officials didn't find all of Bush's records because they are disorganized and in poor shape.


http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB80O0VC0E.html
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:54 PM
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1. and once again these documents
"Shed no new light" on the story. Friday, must be.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:55 PM
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2. Quick! Call the WAAAAAAAAAmbulance!
Repuke values: When you can't lie anymore, whine!

A Texas National Guard spokesman defended the continuing discoveries, saying Guard officials didn't find all of Bush's records because they are disorganized and in poor shape.

"These boxes are full of dirt and rat (excrement) and dead bugs. They have never been sitting in an uncontrolled climate," said Lt. Col. John Stanford. "It's a tough task to go through archives that were not set up in a way that you could easily go through them."

Two Texas officials had signed sworn affidavits insisting they had reviewed the files in those boxes and released copies of all that related to Bush's 1968-1973 Guard service, however.
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sherilocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:00 PM
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3. I hope this has legs. I went to the website
listed at the bottom of the AP story and this is the message that I got.

"We're sorry! The file you requested is not available at this location."

It was the Department of Defense website. This is the link listed by AP,

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/bush-records/index.html
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dogtag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:01 PM
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4. None of this crap means anything now...
unless they find the certificate showing that Shrub won the 'Miss Lackland Airforce Base' beauty contest title.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:02 PM
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5. The discovery is the latest in a series of embarrassments for Pentagon and


isn't this really an embarrasment for the WH?
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:03 PM
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6. Review Finds More Bush Military Records in Yahoo News rate it up
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:07 PM
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7. Up it went, thank
you!
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 10:22 AM
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24. Got it!
You have given the news article Review Finds More Bush Military Records a rating of 5.
Its current average rating is 3.76 with 699 vote(s).
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:15 PM
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8. Here's the Link to the New records
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:16 PM
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9. They didn't find all of Bush's records because they are disorganized
What they really mean is, all the records were destroyed by Bush, and now they are finding stuff that was misfiled or crossreferenced because everything else has been shredded.

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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:21 PM
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10. I think this is one of the new records realease
Edited on Fri Oct-15-04 05:22 PM by Geek_Girl
Look on Page 3 all of the above officers have orders of some sort but George W. I'm reading this right?

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/bush_records/oct14bush.pdf
Please read
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:28 PM
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11. It doesn't matter now...if that's all they found. CBS 60 Minutes killed
the important Niger/Uranium story because of these TANG documents.

Who cares...he got off and the story is dead...:-(
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:38 PM
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12. What a surprise...it's Friday
How many people will hear of this?

Lots, I hope.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:16 PM
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13. I'm semi-computer illiterate, so I can't copy the images
But on pages 16, 17, and 18 they're talking about Bush being on a non-fly status. It says on April 23, 1973 Bush's status was ordered changed from PLT-ON-FLY to NON-FLY.

On the last page is the order transferring him to Denver, and "HOR: Harvard Business School." I don't know what that stands for. But the transfer and honorable discharge were based on verbal orders as "Exigencies of the service having been such as to exclude issuance of competent written orders in advance."

And, in capitals at the bottom it says, "BY ORDER OF THE GOVERNOR."

I don't know if any of this is significant, but thought I'd share since it's the Friday dump and maybe some won't bother to look at all.

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:20 PM
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14. "These boxes are full of dirt and rat (excrement)."
Are you sure that's not bull(excrement)?
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:36 PM
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15. kick
:kick:
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 07:07 PM
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16. It's Clinton's fault and Kerry is a "flip flopper"....
I tell y'a, nobody's going to ever get this thing right. Food=Starvation, Water=thirst, "I don't know" is on First, "Who's" on Third, "What's" on Second, and, I really can't figure out how we let everything get so out of hand!
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Zak Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 08:46 AM
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22. Out of hand?
You let it get out of hand by not raising a fuss about the 2000 election. Gore won, yet the American people let *Bush steal it away from him....the rest, shall we say, is history.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 07:44 PM
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17. the court order must have said
turn over whatever you feel like whenever.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 07:47 PM
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18. Always on a Friday
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 08:40 PM
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19. Hmm...good excuse
"tough task"...that's almost like "it's hard work"

snip>
"...They have never been sitting in an uncontrolled climate," said Lt. Col. John Stanford. "It's a tough task to go through archives that were not set up in a way that you could easily go through them."

Friday night already? This week flew by.

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 08:11 AM
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20. Deep in the rat shit....it's hard work (Yahoo)
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 08:19 AM by JoFerret
<<A Texas National Guard spokesman defended the continuing discoveries, saying Guard officials didn't find all of Bush's records because they are disorganized and in poor shape.


"These boxes are full of dirt and rat (excrement) and dead bugs. They have never been sitting in an uncontrolled climate," said Lt.-Col. John Stanford.


"It's a tough task to go through archives that were not set up in a way that you could easily go through them."


Two Texas officials had signed sworn affidavits insisting they had reviewed the files in those boxes and released copies of all that related to Bush's 1968-1973 Guard service. >>

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1856&e=6&u=/cpress/bush_guard_records
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BlueNomad Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 08:16 AM
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21. CNN...
actually aired this story early this morning which is what really woke me up...going to check the Wash Post also...
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 09:18 AM
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23. I just heard this on MSNBC 15 minutes ago
ironic since some idiot called into C-Span saying that * served his country well and VOLUNTEERD!
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liberalcanuck Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 10:56 AM
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25. Kick!
:kick:
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