Bush stumbles on military draft

[cal04]

US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) surprised his listeners at a campaign rally by seeming to oppose, then favor, then oppose replacing the all-volunteer US military with a draft. Aides had alerted reporters to expect "new language" in Bush's routine rejection of Democratic rival John Kerry (news - web sites)'s warnings that the Iraq (news - web sites) war has so strained the US armed forces that compulsory military service may be around the corner.

"Our all-volunteer army will remain an all-volunteer army," Bush began, to cheers from supporters here in Florida, the richest prize among the dozen or so states up for grabs in the November 2 election.

"My opponent seems to be willing to say almost anything he thinks will benefit him politically," he said. "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain we will not have an all-volunteer army." "And yet this week..." he continued, before suddenly realizing the gaffe and shouting: "We will have an all-volunteer army."

"Let me restate that: We will not have a draft. No matter what my opponent tries to tell people and scare them, we will have an all-volunteer army," promised the president, who is known for frequent verbal stumbles. "The only person talking about a draft is my opponent. The only politicians that supported a draft are democrats, and the best way to avoid a draft is to vote for me," he said.


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[bluestateguy]

1. I see an ad....

Where are the ad boys?

[Zorra]

62. Bu$h: "....I made it very plain we will not have an all-volunteer army."

Yes, he did.

[goddess40]

68. they will be economically coerced

Push people into poverty by destroying the economy so they have little choice but to join the military or starve.

[budkin]

2. Kerry must pounce on this Freudian FLIP-FLOP!!!

Bush just blew his cover!

[factcheck]

6. Because of a slip of the tongue?

No, John Kerry has far too much integrity to "pounce" on something like this.

At least I hope....

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. Slip of the tongue?

:eyes: The chimp does that a lot!

[fishnfla]

11. the "new language" is English apparantly nt

[budkin]

16. Oh, and we've seen how far integrity has gotten us...

I say go for the throat! We need to close Bush out now!

[MO_Dem]

23. I say pounce on it!

The way they take Kerry's statements and votes out of context and use them, they deserve the same treatment.

Besides that, the sheer stupidity of the little Bush boy should be a very, very valid reason to send him back to TX (or wherever else he might want to go after he's out of office). To paraphrase Carville in 2000, "it's the stupidity (of Bush), stupid"!

[CatWoman]

26. the only way I would fault Kerry

is if he used part of the quote -- like Bush does.

People misspeak all the time -- Bush does it more than the average person.

Fuck him.

[Rev_Karl]

49. Somebody outta pounce on it

Why not? They take Kerry's stuff out of context all the time. So Bush misspoke, he does that all the time, that's a problem too. Why not exploit it - Rove would.

[louis-t]

58. The chimp always 'mis-speaks'

now he is trying to use his butchery of the language to his benefit. The other day he said "Laura speaks better than I do, I mangle the language." Aw, isn't that folksie. I don't want a president who mangles the language. I want a president who can communicate to others above a third grade level. I want a president who's hopefully smarter than I am.

[JusticeForAll]

63. Wow, someone who has such a clear message to deliver

and fails to deliver?

Yes, American people this is our President. The one who confuses South Korea with North Korea, the one who connected links of 9/11 to Saddam Hussein when none can be found, the one who has all but forgotten Osama bin Laden, the one who paraded Mission Accomplished, yet thousands more were to die....

This mixed-message from our President should be pounced on over and over again.

Sink their ship.

[obiwan]

66. What? Another "mexed missage?"

It's way beyond butchering the language. It's first degree murder.

I hear Freud in his grave yelling, "Let me out! Let me out!"

[brhodes]

69. And from the NYTimes Magazine yesterday... confuses Sweden

with Switzerland.

[dmr]

7. Think so ... think of it this way

How many 2000 campaign promises did he break?

Quite a few. There is no reason to trust this one, in fact, the way he brings freedom to the world, we'll be in more wars before we know it. With his administration in office I'm scared to death for my teenage son.

[polmaven]

64. Yes! The Senator needs to make

a Flip-Flop Flap!

[aquart]

3. Hard to know what he REALLY means.

Not because of the gaffes. Because of the lies.

[Nancy Waterman]

43. That is the point - the lies

It doesn't matter what Bush promises. He goes back on most of them or rewrites them and never looks back. A promise not to bring back the draft means nothing from this administration.

[deadparrot]

4. Can you say "Freudian slip"?

[neomonkey]

5. Oh boy is there a video

Shrub's verbal constipations are always a joy to read, but oh so much more entertaining to watch and listen.

[speedoo]

12. Yes, just saw it on CNN.

Stupid chimp.

[MatrixEscape]

8. The flop flips and flops all the time now!

The furious flop flipper has flopped again with a flip of the lip.

The only draft I feel right now is the waft of hot air that emerges from the vacuous cavern of the Emperor's mind.

I know he has trouble with effective and clear statements, but:
"The only person talking about a draft is my opponent."

I just had to point that one out. Mr. pResident, you are talking about the Draft right now. Your spin on it is different though.

To me, any support of PNAC's outline, (originally the Wolfowitz Doctrine) will necessitate a draft. The Bush Doctrine essentially follows that line. Cheney and Rummy just have to go, or we are on a path of World Domination.

I don't see four more years of the same in a second Bush term, as some say. I see four more years of the same with a multiplication factor that can range from x2 to powers of ten.

[louis-t]

59. The thing that scares me is

what is this nutcase going to have to do/ to have an excuse/ to start a draft. They needed a 'Pearl Harbor' to get Americans to back a war against Iraq.

[fishnfla]

10. rove thru the sqwuack-box on his back

BOY, I SAY,BOY!!!! you done it again. Back up son, and try again!

[AFSCME girl]

27. I love it!!

Somewhere in the White House there's a room where Rove is constantly banging his head against the wall every time * opens his mouth :hi:

[Libby2]

35. LMSAO !!

The visual of that cracked me up!

[ismnotwasm]

13. No draft, huh?

Just stretch the troops out to their outer limits in an misbegotten side show war in Iraq, and pretend that it's all going to be OK. All will be paid for, we have as many troop as necessary to maintain peace and prosperity in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's all good? Is that what he's trying to say? The man is absolutely delusional.

[bucknaked]

14. Yeah, we want this guy with his hand on the metaphorical "red button"

ugh!!!

[fearnobush]

15. Bush's words prove he wants a draft.

"after the debates, I made it very plain we will not have an all-volunteer army."

[Old and In the Way]

17. He'll institute a draft only if there's another 9/11-type of attack,

another war in the ME, or if Iraq needs more Democracy. Can you say Tri-fecta?

[Minstrel Boy]

19. Right. That will "change everything."

We know how that works.

[FormerOstrich]

20. Exactly...

then he'll look all solemn as he address the nation that the unforeseen need for this upcoming offense strike has tipped the balance and must instate the draft.

Or....as the economy continues to go in the crapper and jobs continue to decline in both numbers and value then the military may be a more attractive option for many as they struggle to feed their families.


Or...both...

[The Doctor.]

45. As I've said before...

If the BFEE stays in, we can expect a one meg nuke to pop in a mediocre American city. It's the only way they will acquire more support to invade other countries ala PNAC.

I'm thinking Detroit or Buffalo.

[PassingFair]

18. Ruh ro...

We were out canvassing today, and my husband ran into a woman whose main concern was the draft, he thought he had a live one, and then she said, "So, I'm voting for Bush".

They are drinking the koolaid down in great gulps...

[nedbal]

21. I say go for the throat!

budkin (37 posts) Sat Oct-16-04 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #6

16. Oh, and we've seen how far integrity has gotten us...


I say go for the throat! We need to close Bush out now!

[MichiganVote]

25. Get real. This is Bush talking, er..rather...trying to learn to talk

telling the truth? that's another matter.

[mcg]

30. I think he forgot to lie.

[trueblew]

22. Bush's plan for the military...

get more illegal aliens to enlist.

[cornermouse]

24. Bush's credibility problem.

1. A public record of serial lying to the American people.

2. The existence and if I remember correctly, resurrection of, the draft board.

[bluestateguy]

28. There won't be a draft. He'll just call it "national service"

Just like the "healthy forests" and "clear skies" initiatives.

[Eye and Monkey]

40. "National Service" - with an option for the wealthy to avoid -

with an option for the wealthy to avoid the military. Furiously being cobbled together and focus-grouped.

[Zorra]

29. Bu$h Volunteer Army, 2 choices: Either volunteer or you will be shot

at sunrise.

Ve haff vays uff making you volunteer.

[sofa king]

31. President has "no plans on his desk" for a draft.

[Oak2004]

41. Yeah -- they're on the credenza to the side of his desk...

in a big fat file marked "Immediately After The Election"

[GinaMaria]

54. the plans are on Cheney's desk n/t

[polmaven]

65. Or Rumsfeld's!

n/t

[FighttheFuture]

32. I believe Bush that there will be NO Draft...

I suspect more and more functions of the Army will be sub-contracted out thereby avoiding the draft. This means only the suckers who join the army will be doing the actual fighting and the bulk of the dying.

Go Bushler!! Bush 2004: Fascism made easy!

[dezenbunny]

33. Was it a stumble?

I get the feeling he was going to say "And yet this week...my opponent still says the same thing" (or something similar)

Does anyone here even know what is entailed in getting the draft started? I'd heard that a super-majority is needed. And even with a simple majority - it could be filibustered quite easily (look at the confirmation hearings).

And Kerry himself has said he would keep the option open.

my two cents

[Thor_MN]

56. Rules? * doan need no stenkin rules.

George W. Bush has, according to the big blue dress herself, when faced with losing by the rules, simply changed them. Being the oldest of cousins, he would change the game when the youger ones were winning. That tactic is imbedded in his psyche.

If Congress won't give him his "National Service", he will simply Executive Order it. He circumvented the legislation that Congress passed after the Repug's Watergate debacle to release Presidential papers after 12 years. Reagan's presidency was about to be laid bare to the glare of public scrutiny, so what does * do? He lifts his pen and reverses the law - and Ronnie's transgressions are hidden for at least an additional 4 years, plenty of time to name a few thousand more things after him.

[Eurobabe]

34. that's the mangler in chief!

[Generator]

36. Lying sack of shit

[Pithy Cherub]

39. Bumble bush lives...

* can't even command the English language properly. I understand - he's drafting an English teacher...NCLB - him.

[Pharlo]

37. Stumbles, misspeaks, mangles....

Let's face it --- That man has initaited his own dialect of English. So far from the main, that some conservatives have ceased calling for an amendment to the US Constitution calling for English as the Official American Language.

It wouldn't do to insult the President of the United States and insist he learn English - a recognizable version.

The history of George W. Bush, 43rd President of the US, will have an entire anthropological subcategory consisting of theories of what language he thought he was speaking, and the roots of the dialect he employed.

[MADem]

38. OH MY STARS!!!

They just played the goof on CNN!!!! Bwahahahaha!

[Silvermint]

46. Request:

Can anyone find a clip of it and post a link in this thread?

[muchacho]

42. moran!

[The Doctor.]

44. Can you imagine if Rove worked with a VIABLE candidate?

The possibilities are staggering if you consider the fact that Rove keeps this guy out of the single digits in the polls!

[fishnfla]

50. Holy shit! Now i cant sleep tonight

OMFG never thought about that

[Thor_MN]

57. A viable candidate wouldn't associate with the slime called Rove

Anyone with two cents worth of integrity would check the soles of their shoes after merely walking within a mile of KKKarl to see what the hell it was they just stepped in. I think that "to Rove" will become a phrase describing insidious treachery to overtake an organization.

[tmooses]

47. It Seems They're Holding This Guy Together With Baling Wire....

Between the 3 GWB's that showed up at the debates, his more frequent mental gaffes, his bizarre physical appearance and the bulge you got to wonder if they are pumping Bush up with meds to keep him going or what.
If we didn't have a state owned press we would have some reporters asking these questions.

[glennont]

48. Draft

What Bush says can be true. All that would be required is a mandatory national service. There would be plenty of alternatives to choose from, and plenty of incentives to join the military, thus, all volunteer military.

[Flammable Materials]

51. Fastest Flip Flopper In The World! n/t

[obiwan]

52. Explanation: Pre-Senile Dementia.

[GinaMaria]

53. And people believe him, why?

He already has a back door draft. Selective Service Boards have been restaffed, positions filled and he has plans to keep us at war for the next 30 years.

[drdtroit]

55. "I'm a uniter, not a divider"

"no child left behind"
"I will exhaust all diplomatic means to remove Saddam"

I belive the pattern has been established for the pathological lying from this POS.

[young_at_heart]

60. And this makes "Stumble #____?

When doesn't Bush stumble? Bigger question: Why doesn't this bother his loyal supporters?

[robbedvoter]

61. "Aides alerted reporters to expect new language" - hard work for Chimp

to muster all that "new language". Kinda like Homer Simpson whose brain tells him: "Must not tell Marge where I am going" as the mouth already yelled: "To Moe's"

[nodehopper]

67. you know how freudian hysterics tell the truth by lying?

It's like when he said "the enemy never stops thinking of way to hurt the US...and neither do we."

[havocmom]

70. Army is non-volunteer NOW!

Repeated call ups of reservists & guard members + stop loss prevention of people mustering out when their enlistment is over = a bunch of non-volunteers already serving! THAT is the point to pound home.

Follow that up with the fact that Selective Service Boards already in the making and the make the lying murder choke down some big servings of crow along with his own damned words.

The neocon war juggernaut has pretty well assured at least 2 generations of people with some legitimate axes to grind with the US. That sure as hell has not made us or the rest of the world any safer. Only thing rendered secure by the Yee Haw Shock & Awe foreign policy is the profits of corporations making and selling (to all sides of conflict) the implements of war. The vampires engaging in war profiteering by covering land in the blood of innocents are very safe now.

Question for the neocon criminals in charge: It is pretty well accepted that the USSR fell because too much of the national resource went into arms production/maintenance. So, are you money grabbing weasels slow learners or is it actually your aim to send the US down the same spillway to disaster as your ol arch enemy?

[topgun77]

71. He'll spin it someway

He'll find a way to provide support for a draft if he has to. I don't trust this administration at all.

[chromotone]

72. "New language"

Stick with English, George. It's easier...

[aDJinMILW]

73. I NEED THIS VIDEO CLIP!!!!!! ASAP

I would love to make a 60 second spot on my site www.ChangeForUS.com with this Bush-ism in it.. If anyone knows where I can get that clip (I saw it on Jay Leno 10-18-04) please, please, please email me at [e-mail] or IM me on yahoo (screen name a25mmilw)

Thanks! :)