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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 06:53 PM
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Babies with thre parents ahead
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 06:54 PM by JoFerret
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1329371,00.html

Scientists are seeking permission to carry out experiments that would result in children being born with three biological parents. UK medical authorities say they will almost certainly approve the application in the next few weeks.
The aim of the technique is to prevent mothers passing on degenerative genetic diseases to their children. But campaigners say it could lead to significant increases in elderly women having children. They also claim it represents an unacceptable step towards the creation of designer babies.

'By creating a child with three genetic parents, these scientists are taking the first step towards genetic engineering of human beings. That is not a direction in which we should be going,' said Dr David King, director of Human Genetics Alert.

The technology - which is being developed by a team at Newcastle University - will involve the implanting of the nucleus of an embryo from an affected mother into an egg taken from a donor that has been stripped of its nucleus.

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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 06:55 PM
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1. Burn the witch!!!
nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 08:26 PM
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9. Stop The Science Divorced From Ethics!
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 08:27 PM by cryingshame
and wed to Corporate Profits!
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 06:56 PM
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2. Can you imagine the custody battles that will result from this? n/t
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 06:58 PM
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3. We already have babies
with 3 parents. This is kinda dated.
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 07:59 PM
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4. Biologically or otherwise?
I think that as far as the law is concerned, the issue of whose genetic material is used is fairly important.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 08:21 PM
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7. It's never been important before
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1312708.stm

Friday, 4 May, 2001, 15:26 GMT 16:26 UK
Genetically altered babies born

Mitochondria contain genes outside the cell's nucleus

By BBC News Online science editor Dr David Whitehouse

Scientists have confirmed that the first genetically altered humans have been born and are healthy.

Up to 30 such children have been born - 15 of them as a result of one experimental programme at a US laboratory.

An "unwelcome" development say scientists

But the technique has been criticised as unethical by some scientists and would be illegal in many countries, including the United Kingdom.

Genetic fingerprint tests on two one-year-old children confirm that they contain a small quantity of additional genes not inherited from either parent.

The additional genes were taken from a healthy donor and used to overcome the infertility problems of the mother.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 08:16 PM
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5. Just because we can
doesn't mean we should.

We don't need any more ways to reproduce. THere are enough of us already. :crazy:

MzPip
:dem:
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 08:18 PM
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6. World is not overpopulated
You could put everybody in Texas in fact and still have plenty of room.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 08:30 PM
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10. It's not about room
I suppose physically we don't take up that much space, but our stuff does and we do manage to do an awful lot of damage raping and pillaging the environment.

MzPip
:dem:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 09:37 PM
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11. it is so overpopulated when you go beyond sq. in.
arable land, fresh water resources,food distribution, wild life destruction education.There is more to life than breeding, I hope.
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 09:42 PM
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12. Room, yes. Food, clean air, clean water, enough medicine, etc, etc.,
The world (or more precisely, the people in it) can't provide what the population needs NOW -- let alone MORE people.
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StupidFOX Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 08:25 PM
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8. I dunno... I kinda like it...
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 08:26 PM by StupidFOX
Here's the impression that I got. It could lead to a scenerio like this:

Mother has genetic defect...
Father is fine...
Donor is fine...

Doctors take out defective mother genes, replace with fine donor genes, and poof, mother has perfectly healthy baby.

But if you get into issues where the doctors go "I KNOW! Let's attach super missle systems to babies' arms!!" that's bad science. I don't think this is approaching that.
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RaRa Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 09:47 PM
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13. Not that I've drawn a clear line in the sand
about when it's ok to fuck with mother nature and when it's not, but this seems to me to fall under "not". She will bite us back 3fold. We're already seeing problems with babies born through artificial insemination. I don't blame folks for trying it, but don't expect nature to respond kindly to things that maybe weren't meant to be.
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