Pat Robertson: Bush said, "WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY CASUALITIES"

[Divine Discontent]

UNBELIEVABLE ARROGANCE! This needs made into a commercial and played for the next 13 days. I am certain this will not play well, as I am a moderate and am sickened by this revelation.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/index.html

NEW YORK (CNN) -- The founder of the U.S. Christian Coalition said Tuesday he told President George W. Bush before the invasion of Iraq that he should prepare Americans for the likelihood of casualties, but the president told him, "We're not going to have any casualties."

Pat Robertson, an ardent Bush supporter, said he had that conversation with the president in Nashville, Tennessee, before the March 2003 invasion. He described Bush in the meeting as "the most self-assured man I've ever met in my life."

"You remember Mark Twain said, 'He looks like a contented Christian with four aces.' I mean he was just sitting there like, 'I'm on top of the world,' " Robertson said on the CNN show, "Paula Zahn Now."

<snip>

[A-Schwarzenegger]

1. He meant no casualties in the Bush family.

Or maybe he doesn't know what "casualty" means.

[Philostopher]

6. "We're not going to have any casualties, Pat.

We're going to have seriousualties! This is a war, dammit -- we can't be casual about it!"

</Spinal Tap>

[Born Free]

59. The man is a nut case

It's the only way to describe the bush coward, his years of drugs and booze have fried his brain and all he is now is a talking puppet, I would not be surprised if he committed suicide in front of the cameras in order to prove he is immortal. He needs to be locked up to be kept safe from hurting himself and certainly should not be operating anything that could harm others, the man is a nut case.

[dhinojosa]

122. Both men need to be put away.

Both men (Pat and George) are nut cases. When Kerry wins I am writing a letter to Pat Robertson and let him know that I don't think he talks to God like he thinks he does. Pat needs to look behind that curtain in his head and find out who he is really talking to.

[saigon68]

131. The CHIMPANZEE'S mommie did say no BODY BAGS

or some other such Nonsense--- Maybe the Jr. Chimp misunderstood her.

[Anakin Skywalker]

156. The Rich are So Far Removed from Reality

Sure. No body bags. Just bury them right where they die, right Mommy Bush?

[Thor_MN]

161. Watching my tennant's cats, they bury things right away in the litterbox

* is a pussy and has turned Iraq into a giant litterbox, so why wouldn't he look to bury stuff as it happens?

[MisterP]

165. she said there shouldn't be body bags or casualty lists on TV

because "Why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's, it's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

[jdj]

184. Draft Jenna and her namesake, NOW

thanks Mr. P for reposting this quote. I hope theres an iron maiden in hell with her name on it.

[davg]

201. .

"The Rich are So Far Removed from Reality"


what do you consider the democratic candidate?

[SammyWinstonJack]

218. Remind me again which candidate actually fought in a war?

Here's a clue, it wasn't the repub. But then you already knew that, didn't you?

[Tight_rope]

186. Bush* is talking puppet that reads what Rove tells him to say!

The man doesn't have a brain. If so, it's "OUT OF ORDER"! And not repairable!

[uhhuh]

14. That's probably it

He probably thought that Robertson was saying casual tees, like t-shirts.

The chimp was insisting that they would still wear suits and other professional work apparel.

On the other hand, he was probably delusional enough to believe that the hand of God would come from heaven and slap the bullets and explosions away from each soldier because he personally willed it.

Could be either.

[truthpusher]

79. LOL

[smirkymonkey]

98. Or, more likely, he doesn't care.

So to him, they aren't "casualties".

[Laelth]

He meant no casualties amongst ...

True Believers.

That means himself, Robertson, and anyone else who believe that the rapture is immanent.

I'm not joking, and neither is Bush. He seems to honestly believe that he is an agent of God who's actively trying to bring about the end-times (armageddon). Read up on this before you laugh. It's not a laughing matter.

Take a look at this thread. In particular, read the essays in that thread entitled "According to Tim LaHaye, the Apocalypse is now," and "Rise of the Righteous Army," and "With God on His Side ...".

Bush is the president of a righteous army of true believers. They mean it. He means it. And they are both deadly serious.

:scared:

-Laelth

[Girlieman]

197. Why is this "late breaking news?"

I watched Farenheit 911 last night and I could swear this same quote was in the movie.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[mcg]

216. In Fahrenheit 911? Please someone find out.

[Gloria]

2. Bush is God! Doesn't Pat Robertson believe that??

eom

[daleo]

3. Hubris

Bush is like a bad character in Sophocles, but stupider.

[DuctapeFatwa]

4. Well, they have managed to keep most of them hushed up

at least in the Us.

[PBR me]

5. gwb is the poster boy for naivety

naivety

n : lack of sophistication or worldliness

[indie_voter]

7. Then there is this quote

"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," Robertson said. "I warned him about casualties."


:crazy:

[HereSince1628]

72. Does any have archive tape from CBN? To check that?

Not the part about the "Lord" speaking to Pat, I think everyone accepts that he is delusional enough to believe he is the prophet of the latter-days, but the part about saying out-loud and in public anything that sounded cautionary.

I generally don't watch it, but I did a number of times during the lead up to the war because I thought the Christian Coalition had a hand in the enterprise.

My recollection is imperfect to be sure but I have no memory of Robertson suggesting anything but that this would be a war against a dictator and the followers of a religious culture founded on violence.
Nonetheless he could have "flip-flopped" so that later on he could have video evidence that he had received the 20-20 insight of his lord.

[chelaque liberal]

82. So the Lord told Robertson one thing and Bush another?

That lying %#*$@!.

It's all the Lord's fault!

[RaulGroom]

94. I think we can see He is a flip-flopper

n/t

[dhinojosa]

123. I can't picture Jesus pointing to his index finger and saying "A"

Jesus is up on the lingo. I had no idea we was so modern, so urban.

[wishlist]

8. Wow- Damning article- Bush has to be mentally deranged

What a screwed up 'President' and followers we have. These people are close to cult mentality, literally ready to all drink the Kool-Aid they are so brainwashed

[radfringe]

58. if you want damning and scary -- read this:

Without a Doubt
By RON SUSKIND
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?oref=login
Published: October 17, 2004

----snip---- page 9 --- http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?pagewanted=9&oref=login

The life of the nation and the life of Bush effortlessly merge -- his fortitude, even in the face of doubters, is that of the nation; his ordinariness, like theirs, is heroic; his resolve, to whatever end, will turn the wheel of history.

Remember, this is consent, informed by the heart and by the spirit. In the end, Bush doesn't have to say he's ordained by God. After a day of speeches by Hardy Billington and others, it goes without saying.

''To me, I just believe God controls everything, and God uses the president to keep evil down, to see the darkness and protect this nation,'' Billington told me, voicing an idea shared by millions of Bush supporters. ''Other people will not protect us. God gives people choices to make. God gave us this president to be the man to protect the nation at this time.''

But when the moment came in the V.I.P. tent to shake Bush's hand, Billington remembered being reserved. '''I really thank God that you're the president' was all I told him.'' Bush, he recalled, said, ''Thank you.''

''He knew what I meant,'' Billington said. ''I believe he's an instrument of God, but I have to be careful about what I say, you know, in public.''

===============================


---snip-- page 10 -- http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?pagewanted=10&oref=login
But as the hour passed, Bush kept coming back to the thing most on his mind: his second term.

''I'm going to come out strong after my swearing in,'' Bush said, ''with fundamental tax reform, tort reform, privatizing of Social Security.'' The victories he expects in November, he said, will give us ''two years, at least, until the next midterm. We have to move quickly, because after that I'll be quacking like a duck.''

---snip---

Talk of the faith-based initiative, Gildenhorn said, makes him ''a little uneasy.'' Many conservative evangelicals ''feel they have a direct line from God,'' he said, and feel Bush is divinely chosen.

''I think he's religious, I think he's a born-again, I don't think, though, that he feels that he's been ordained by God to serve the country.'' Gildenhorn paused, then said, ''But you know, I really haven't discussed it with him.''

[Anakin Skywalker]

157. They All Are! Him and his base.

Close? I dare say they already have the cult mentality! They have been having it for years since the Moonies revived the Religious Right in this country!

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2941moonies.html

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2942moonie_targt.html

[Tight_rope]

191. 5^ to tthat....you are sooo right!....Bush followers drink the poison

kool-aid that Rove and the gang are shoving down their thoughts!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Amazing that Robertson would reveal this.

He's a such a major fundie bushbot, so it's damn strange that he would say something publicly that would make El Arbusto Stupido look like the arrogant, dumb dick we know him to be. Shrubby needs to have his nose rubbed in this.

[krkaufman]

41. Maybe Robertson's starting to feel the Bush policies hit his pocketbook...

... and is looking to put some dings in Bush's reselection facade.

[truthpusher]

80. He finaly figured out that Bush is the Anti-Christ?

[belle]

85. Um, yeah! Did he actually think that would *help* him? Weird.

[JVS]

121. Surprisingly Robertson has been an opponent of Faith-based initiatiatives

He doesn't want the state interfering with his church anymore than we want his church interfering with our state.

[kiahzero]

213. That's why he accepted one, right?

The proof, in fact, is ready to hand. Pat Robertson's Operation Blessing--despite having recently been investigated by the State of Virginia for misusing relief funds to haul equipment for Robertson's for-profit diamond mining firm--was one of the first organizations to receive a faith-based grant. Robertson scored $500,000, renewable for three years, for a total of $1.5 million. The money pays for Operation Blessing to offer technical assistance to smaller faith-based outfits so they can compete for federal dollars of their own--and given that Robertson has disparaged several religious faiths as "aberrant" and insisted they not be considered for federal support, he'll likely use the $1.5 million to leverage grants for like-minded evangelicals. Chuck Colson--who had legal troubles of his own stemming from Watergate--was another significant beneficiary, through his evangelical organization Prison Fellowship Ministries, which was chosen by the faith-based office as one of only four national partners for a $22.5 million workplace re-entry program for ex-offenders. No direct funding from the faith-based office has gone to a single non-Christian religious organization, whether Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or Sikh.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041101&c=3&s=kaplan

[JVS]

214. Looks like Robertson flip-flopped. I had not heard of that.

Of course I had never expected Robertson to be consistent. I was basing my statement off of this
http://www.communitiesbychoice.org/printme.cfm?ID=32&print=1

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. Robertson is spreading code talk to the believers

Bush is a humble man of god..really he is...it's those darn democrats who won't forgive him if he makes a mistake

[MatrixEscape]

11. Robertson is ...

a gremlin, hate monger, power monger, nutwad who has no rightful place in American politics at all.

He should be committed to an institution rather than interviewed seriously. His wealth and rise to power is impressive, but his meddling and treasonous statements are dangerous and very troubling. He is a nefarious shepherd that would lead his flock into slaughter if it would make him a few more bucks.

[Eye and Monkey]

12. So which was wrong - God or the Gut?

Which was Chimpie listening to - God or his Gut?

[Dogmudgeon]

13. Pat Robertson is more sane than Bush. This is bad.

Bush has gone entirely Jesus-simple. He may have provoked WWIII with the Islamic world as a result of his religiomanic hallucinations.

This is no longer a matter of who you'd want to have a beer with. If Bush really is religiously delusional, even to a small degree, every conflict, no matter how small, becomes an extremely dangerous situation.

--bkl

[grytpype]

33. Everything is devoted to covering Bush's ass.

Even Robertson knows Bush fucked up, but HIS ASS MUST BE COVERED.

[RaleighNCDUer]

103. Let's not forget whose finger is on the button.

I think * would happily nuke Tehran if he had half a reason to -- and that is calibrated by his reasoning. If an ayatollah says 'boo' to Israel, watch out.

[grytpype]

15. What a complete fuckwit.

NO CASUALTIES. GOD TOLD ME. HE WILL PROTECT OUR HOLY TROOPS.

[Gloria]

16. Al Gore talked about Bush's religiosity yesterday--he should add this

to his speech!

You're right, Bush is DERANGED....what the hell are we going to do??????????

[DemFromMem]

17. When Robertson is the one in touch with reality...

you know we're screwed.

[Fridays Child]

21. Shit, that's a scary and accurate observation.

:scared:

[juliagoolia]

28. AND the KERRY CAMP will be on this

like a fly on honey

[The Icon Painter]

75. I Hope

From your mouth to Mary Beth Cahill's ears.

[Amigust]

47. Robertson is NOT in touch with reality.

Like AWOL, he says God talks to him.

His statements are definitely code to true believers: Bush is anointed by God regardless of what he does, and don't forget that on Nov. 2. And lest you overlook it, you should keep sending me your dollars because God gives ME the real lowdown even as I have Bush's ear.

Televangelism - a $5.5 trillion business
.

[shockingelk]

18. god is sending mixed messages

"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," Robertson said. "I warned him about casualties."

So why did He tell Pat one thing and Bush another? Was God asking Bush to pull His finger?

[HereSince1628]

74. Other godly possibilities...

1) Both may have heard from god. The pantheists might have been right all along...there may be more than one god.

2) God enjoys war stories and was tired of the Dale Brown, Tom Clancey stuff... after noting the success of reality tv, S-He thought titles like Green & Black Storm rising, Xeric Predator, and the George-ian Knot would be entertaining.

3) God is passive aggressive, always setting up circumstances that lead people to rise or fall and leaving Him-er with plausible deniability.

[VegasWolf]

136. Exactly! This means either one of them has faulty connections,

or god is confused, or god is playing funny games!
My guess is that there both fucked up and there is no god!

[Divine Discontent]

181. I disagree with you......

like I said to start this thread, I am a moderate, and I think this will hurt them if all the news stations report on it, I've emailed every major news .com asking where the story is at, since, only FoxNews, and CBS have joined CNN, I'm awaiting MSNBC, ABC and yahoo to show the link, maybe they have.

But I disagree with you, there is a God, but your initial comment is right, Bush & Robertson are screwballs, God is the good guy, they just LOVEEEEEEEEEEE to say they are in direct verbal communication with Him... How nutty.


KERRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY in an electoral landslide!!!

[VegasWolf]

192. You're welcome to disagree, I'll stick with Nietze and Sarte

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

[hedda_foil]

19. So that's why there was no plan for after the war.

He really believed there weren't going to be any casualties. That no one would die and the happy natives would drape the troops in lush garlands of tropical Iraqi flowers, hoist the heroic liberators on their shoulders and dance in the streets for joy. He really fucking believed it.

The fucker is totally and completely delusional.

[WildClarySage]

71. What's worse is,

he believes this is pretty much what happened (give or take a couple of minor insurgencies)

[RaleighNCDUer]

106. or perhaps there was no plan for after the war

because he saw this as the opening battle of armageddon, and how do you plan for 'after-armageddon'?

[Zorra]

20. Bu$h is crazy, and so is everyone that supports him. Robertson proves

to be a splendid example of the archetypical insane Bu$h supporter in that article.

"Duh, I told him there wuz gonna be casualties but he just said their wuzn't gonna be no casualties, but there wuz, so I'm gonna vote for him because he is a great leader guided by the Lord."
:crazy:
Every last Bu$h supporter is as crazy as a shithouse rat.

[The_Casual_Observer]

22. It might be that * was utterly convinced that God was on his side

And the Iraqis were just waiting to be liberated. * is dumb enough to actually believe whatever the PNAC told him.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

23. How could Bush's illness/madness NOT be an open issue

in this campaign? I wish some Dem would slip the word
"unstable" or "troubled" or "deluded" into the
media with respect to *. Then, the next day, * gets
on the stump: "I ARE NOT UNSTABILEDITY!"

[Thurston Howell IV]

34. It is an open issue

The religious fanatics don't see it; they're down with it. The rich don't care, as long as Bush keeps the tax breaks coming and the deregulation flowing. And the media are sacks of shit -- I think that's an accurate analysis of the media -- I don't think I'm being too harsh here. They are corporate pawns. They abdicated their responsibility regarding their role in a functioning democracy long ago.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

40. It'll be an open issue when * is forced to deny he's insane.

"The American people deserve to know
if their President is a madman.
I am not a madman."

[moggie]

64. "There will be no white coats

in the White House."

[juliagoolia]

65. I really think he needs to tell us if he is or not

I mean these things that are being reported about him make him sound like he needs a very long sleeved white jacket with buckles in the back, and a long quiet stay in a "special" hospital.

[Divine Discontent]

44. "I am not unstabiledity!"

is way funny! and probably not too far from what he would say.


"too many ob gyns aren't able to practice their.... their LOVE with women all across this country!"

[aquart]

24. And Pat Robertson thinks this is a GOOD thing?????

[daleo]

25. Bush - WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY CAUSALITIES

Nobody will ever figure out why we invaded Iraq.

[neomonkey]

26. Not exactly Patton, is he?

[Hard Attack]

27. Unbelievable - eom.

[Thurston Howell IV]

29. I don't get it -- God talked to Robertson but not Bush?

What the fuck's up with that? A bad connection? Am I missing something here? Should I be concerned that God is cutting Bush out of the loop?

[JolietDem]

54. Lots of heavenly communication to Bush folk

Apparently God told prisoner-abusing Satan-in-the-Smoke images whacko General Boykin about his appointment of Bush too...Boykin and Robertson should have a New England campout to celebrate God "changing his mind" on November 2nd...I'm sure they'll have much to talk about.

[atommom]

83. If Robertson's IN the loop, I think we should all be concerned! nt

[LibDemAlways]

30. Goes to show that the chimp

is clueless as to what happens in a war. No wonder he's never attended a single soldier's funeral. He's in denial that they're dead. He is one sick bastard.

[grasswire]

31. so Pat's God is more truthful than W's God?

Or what?

Dueling dieties! That's the ticket!

[Bundbuster]

32. AWOL has become Robertson on steroids

[daleo]

37. Scary pictures

Reminiscent of the faces that launched the religious wars of the middle ages.

[camero]

35. "Contented Christian with four aces"

But I thought Christians can't gamble?

[Oak2004]

46. If they're public moralists they can gamble

especially if they've written books about how everybody else needs to follow Christian values. Just ask Bill Bennett.

[camero]

142. True

More rethuglican hypocracy.

[necso]

55. "Contented Christian with four aces".

I think that the image is one of a person assured of both material and spiritual success (wealth and salvation).

There is some argument over whether wealth is an insurmountable obstacle or just an impediment (something that gets in the way of, but does not block the path) to salvation. (Indeed, some even go so far as to argue that wealth is a sign of God's favor.)

If I may be excused a Biblical reference.

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matthew 19:24).

I would interpret this statement as referring to the "Eye of a Needle" (or the "Eye of the Needle", perhaps) a known (and familiar) landmark on a particularly difficult caravan route.

So we may draw the image of a difficult passage with many falling along the way... but not all.

And in line with this image, we can interpret the meaning of the quote to be that the rich may enter the kingdom of heaven -- but that the journey will be a difficult one, fraught with perils, and many ("easier" could make us think "almost all") will perish along the way. And there is other guidance in the Gospels that would sway one from the course of seeking riches.

And, of course, this is just my interpretation.

[ze_dscherman]

57. The eye of a needle

IIRC, "eye of the needle" was the name for a small door next to a big city gate where latecomers (not hindered by heavy goods such as a camel would transport) could sneak in after the gate was closed.

Makes the metaphor much clearer.

[necso]

62. I could go with that one too.

But I still prefer the caravan metaphor. And there is at least one "Eye of the Needle" on a historical (difficult) caravan route. Trade by caravan is ancient and the people of Jesus's time would have been familiar with it.

These people may have also called a small door (as opposed to the main gate) by that name. But I can easily see Jesus saying something that causes his "followers" to have to think about it and consider alternative meanings.

And the caravan landmark reference would probably be the ultimate (satisfactory) reference of the three (more or less) obvious ones. Historically the (sewing) needle might predate the caravan, but the image of the camel and a (sewing) needle just doesn't satisfy (me). And the caravan (through some "Eye of the Needle") probably predates the "eye of the needle" door, so it is a more historically meaningful reference (I believe).

Moreover, the imagery of the (lengthy) caravan journey is that of the journey of life. And passing a door just does not give the same image of the passing of time. On these grounds alone, I would prefer the caravan reference. And while the ultimate step to the journey of life might be entering the door to Heaven (or not), there are many steps that take one there.

But I think that one must look elsewhere in the Gospels for guidance (or at least confirmation) to answer the insurmountable-obstacle versus just-an-impediment question. Various interpretations of this quote cannot be ruled out, I think, of itself alone.

And, in the end, I think that it comes down to one's opinion. Of course, I am an Atheist, and a believer might feel otherwise. Materialism, however, is no pursuit of mine. My image is that you carry everything that you own on your back... at all times.

Oh and the more heavily that you lade your camels, the less likely you are to make the difficult caravan journey. -- I like that part of the image too.

[lazarus]

113. it's more basic than that

the word originally translated as "camel" actually means "rope". So he was saying that it's easier for a rope to pass through the eye of a needle, which makes sense.

[Lisa]

171. so basically, the rope would have to become much thinner in order to fit

Works for me!

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

180. It sounds like Bill Bennett's back in Las Vegas

Christian or not, he'd love to be a man holding four aces. Wasn't he the one who wrote "The Bookie of Virtues"?

[necso]

188. The interesting thing about poker

is that the rules have changed.

"The first mention of draw poker appeared in the 1867 edition of Hoyles (Dick and Fitzgerald, New York). Also, that edition was the first book to mention an ante, a straight (which beat two pair, but not trips), and the straight flush (which beat four of a kind). The 1875 edition of Hoyles (Dick and Fitzgerald, New York) mentioned jackpot poker and the joker used as a wild card."

It would be interesting to know whether 4 Aces was really the best hand (not a straight flush -- we can ignore 5 of a kind, I think, because Twain has probably speaking of the game without wild cards) when Twain made the comment.

And I don't know if "wrote" is the best word. And I remember a comment about the book that I rather enjoyed, to the effect that the book said nothing about business ethics.

The kind of "ethics" that these guys preach are meant for the "masses", not themselves.

But it has always been that way with elitist hypocrites.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

70. Mark Twain said it

It was meant to be a joke. The gambling and christianity are part of his sense of humor, which wasn't all that kind to church goers.

[Whoa_Nelly]

36. WTF does this quote from Robertson mean?

"Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him," Robertson said.

Pity? Pat is a better Christian than Bush? Bush is a lost cause? Just let stumbling sheep of the lord be put to pasture?

WTF can be intuited from Pat's remark? Will it have any effect on the X-tian ideologues who are faithful to Pat and his ilk?
:wtf:

[VegasWolf]

204. My guess is that Robertson is used to god stumbling and bumbling!

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

[MnFats]

38. Bush thought the Persian Gulf would part, then come crashing down...

...
on all our enemies while our soldiers' boots remained dry.
Just like Moses when got helped him out on the banks of the Red Sea.

[juliagoolia]

39. The free ticket he is given is sick.

"Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him," Robertson said.


I guess God's blessing missed the poor dead soldier, their families, the wounded and thier families, the nation, thousands of dead iraqi citizen, and the rest of the world that he set fire to.

[Divine Discontent]

43. julia goolia does it again!

great comment julia! as a christian, I am all out of pity for this fool in the white house trying to speak for christians. he is a completely stupid individual who needs to be doing a respectable, but simple job at a farmer's market, or ranch, not running the United States of America!

God help us soon, we've been patient with this ninny.

[donheld]

42. BUT BUT BUT

I thought God told Pat Robertson the Bush was gonna win this election in a blow out. Why didn't this God tell Pat the there would be casualties. Why didn't God tell Pat Bushie was a liar. How these men can mistake there wives gas, or maybe their dogs gas, for the voice of god i just don't understand.

[Senator Lamb]

45. ....

a poor man's xexeres. if you read "the Persians" you know what im talking about

[VegasWolf]

141. I thought god told Jerry Falwell that, hard to keep track of lunatics!

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

[erniesam]

48. the ship of state is sinking

and the rats are turning on each other--pox on all their houses.

[cosmicone]

49. There ARE no casualties!

It is all liberal propaganda!!

</sarcasm>

[TexasChick]

138. Nevermind those body parts you see flying up in the air behind us....

Nevermind those pictures of Iraqi children with no limbs and our soldiers with no limbs. Nevermind those pictures you see of blood stained roads in Iraq! It's all a conspiracy with the liberal media! It's just propoganda! Look away Americans, there's nothing to see here! </sarcasm>



Jennifer

[cosmicone]

203. Welcome to DU Jennifer n/t

[TexasChick]

207. Thanks!!!!

:hi:



Jennifer

[NegSpin]

172. As for Me

I know I haven't personally seen any dead come back from Iraq. So as far as I know, there haven't been any casualties.

Of course I've never seen any dead come back from any war in history, so maybe war isn't so bad afterall.

;)

[Stocat]

50. Anyone catch the "ponderous debater" quote?

As for Bush's Democratic rival, Sen. John Kerry, Robertson said, "I don't think he's a leader. He's a ponderous debater, a good senator probably."

Thats really wierd. What the hell does he mean? If he had said panderous maybe that statement would make sense (from a repuke.) But Poderous? Excuse me while I go ponder this quote.

[Brundle_Fly]

53. Stocat

let us know when you are done ponderosa-ing.

[progressivebydesign]

125. Ponderous means to Robertson...

.. that Kerry actually THINKS about what he says. Unlike the rambling, incoherent rants of Bush. I guess the inability to connect a sentence is now seen as strength.

[Charles19]

221. That is not the meaning of ponderous but may be what he meant

Ponderous is not one who ponders but (from dictionary.com):

ponderous
adj.

1. Having great weight.
2. Unwieldy from weight or bulk.
3. Lacking grace or fluency; labored and dull: a ponderous speech. See Synonyms at heavy.

I actually looked it up after I read Robertson use it because I wanted to know what he meant too. I don't think this really clears up what he meant though *shrug*.

[juliagoolia]

51. Even the Freepers are weepin over this one

They are over there saying STFU PAT LOL

[Anakin Skywalker]

159. The Reason is.......

They are just upset because this revelation makes Bush looks bad, that's all. Nobody is supposed to make Bush look foolish, see? Now when Bush does it to himself, that is another matter and it is time for freepers to be creative and make excuses.

[xxqqqzme]

52. "...and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes...'

oh, ho, ho, much more than his share sparky. In the real world that's known as incompetence.

[ze_dscherman]

56. Dangerously delusional

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1328195,00.html

[Divine Discontent]

60. when I posted this story I knew it would not be ignored, thank you!

This is very shocking news to me. I speak as a Christian, not for Christians, but for me, I think this shows extremism and religious fanaticism on the part of the President. He actually believed there would be no casualities?????????????????????????????????????????

This is a killer-comment, in my opinion, and needs to be mocked and sadly, brought in reference to the thousands dead, over a lie.


God bless you all.

ps - Kerry drew 5,000 to a park in central Orlando 2 days ago. That's a lot of people!

[juliagoolia]

61. This is no casualties you fool!!!!!

This pic should be here, and I dont know if it will show up

[juliagoolia]

66. This one goes with the caskets Idiot.. He is insane folks

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041020/wl_nm/iraq_family_dc&cid=574&ncid=1473

entire family.. damn!

[Aidoneus]

63. Pat Robertson quoting Mark Twain?!

I think you're all missing the real story here:--I mean, what the fuck?!

[Bullshot]

67. "The most self-assured man?"

I would say he's the most delusional, or most detatched person I've ever seen.

[0007]

68. Oh No!!

"Robertson, the televangelist who sought the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, said he wishes Bush would admit to mistakes made.

"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," Robertson said. "I warned him about casualties."

Now play this five minute video:

http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html

[teryang]

69. God's blessing is upon the least of us

...but does that mean that a monomaniacal fraud completely out of touch with reality should be *resident?

Refusing to attend funerals of the fallen and censorship of their coffins by the media are attendant to the *residents delusions about there being no casualties.

[Bread and Circus]

73. That Bush has private conversations with that nut is the most scary

thing of all...

[unfrigginreal]

76. A Congressman should send a letter to the WH demanding an explanation

Every Democratic talking head should be talking about it. If this quote doesn't warrant outrage then nothing Bush says or does ever will.

[RaleighNCDUer]

109. He'll never own up to it.

'That must be one of his...ex-agger-a-shuns'!

[mom cat]

77. Thanks for this post Dallan, and welcome to DU.

:yourock:

[Divine Discontent]

183. I'm all warm and gooey like a chocolate chip cookie!

Thanks for the welcome. It was a story for 2 hrs. and usually people post before me, so I had to get this on here asap, to effect as many people as we can. :) you rock, too!

by the way, those of you who have looked at the news story in the past several hours, it has changed, it originally was all about Robertson, but now it's the WH response as the headline, I hate that, the news story is what Robertson said, not the Bush SPIN.

God bless

[truthpusher]

78. All of the troops need to hear this.

[morcatknits]

84. Wonder what...

God might have said something to the bishops of the United Methodist Church -- Bush's own church. He refused to confer with them, however, during the lead-up to Iraq. Guess he didn't want to know about that, either.
morcatknits

[wishlist]

81. CNN has been covering this story repeatedly today, with the video clip

With Carol Costello on CNN, along with the Robertson clip, they even showed the number of casualties over 1100 killed plus the 8000 wounded and mentioned the huge number of casualties since Bush declared 'Mission Accomplished'

This is begging for a response from President Bush. How will he weasel out of it, at the least he still has to admit he was consulting with Pat Robertson but then he has to discredit Pat Robertson or will Pat Robertson issue some kind of retraction when he realizes the seriousness of his revelation?

[sisenor]

135. Maybe they'll do charachter assassination on Robertson

Just like they are going after Ron Suskind (NYT article).
That seems to be their favorite trick.

[robbedvoter]

86. A bit of extortion going on - in 2000 he promissed to keep low profile

and pretty much did it (right after the coronation - vocally asked for his due)

[robbedvoter]

150. Randi agrees with meI I am sooo very proud! yessss!

[BrewerJohn]

87. So he knew there were no WMD then?

I know, matters of cause and effect don't matter much to him, but as one of the reality-based community, I thought of this immediately.

[GOPNotForMe]

I don't know how to feel about this.

I mean, yay, take Bush down - ANYONE. But Pat Robertson? Uh... I'll get back to you later.

[Tsiyu]

175. Pat Robertson is another Repuke-loving thug

I heard him call a missile a "peacemaker" years ago. It was due to be aimed at Russia ( this was early-mid 80's) and Robertson was almost orgasmic in his praise of this mighty weapon of death. "A peacemaker, " he said.

Right then and there, I discounted him as an AntiChrister. Even with our limited knowledge of the Soviet Union, I knew many Christians made their homes in that region. How could any godly man advocate the terror such a missile would unleash? On fellow Christians?

Truly moral, intelligent people decline the oppurtunities to take advantage of others, even if milking the weaker folks can be done easily and with impunity. Low intelligence combined with rigid parenting combined with a sense of being "above it all" never fail to bring out the criminal. And Robertson is as much the criminal as Bush.

Robertson has his hands in some nasty, nasty pies. Including blood diamond money, Charles Taylor, bilking old people, running a for-profit network only posing as a "religious" entity.

If there's a hell, Robertson will burn. This latest revelation of his should be suspect, yet I have no clue why...

[oldlady]

88. prophecy coming after the fact?

yeah...Robertson has delayed-feed from on high *sheesh*

[Walt Starr]

89. This is no longer a question of just incompetency.

This man is INSANE!!!!

[Skinner]

90. That is insane.

One of the most disturbing things I have ever heard about Bush.

[ruggerson]

91. This could win us the election

[SheepyMcSheepster]

92. how could bush seriously believe that?

like previous posters have said, this just goes to show that bush has no grasp of reality.

[robbedvoter]

93. His "gut" - aka God - told him so

[independentpiney]

95. Why isn't CNN reporting this?

They break what should be a HUGE story, and no mention of it yet this morning. Time for some emails.

[durablend]

105. Something dispariging the KING?

Surely you jest!

[cubsfan forever]

133. See post #81

CNN is actually covering this, and that is a real shocker, but(for once) a good one! Your suggestion for e-mails is terrific! I have sent a few myself.

Professor 2

[smirkymonkey]

96. It's called Megalomania...

megalomania \meg-uh-lo-MAY-nee-ah; -nyuh\, noun:
1. A mania for grandiose or extravagant things or actions.
2. A mental disorder characterized by delusions of grandeur.

Most of the extreme cases belong in mental institutions. Except, of course, for the pResident. He should run the world.

Why can't people see his insanity? Is it because most Americans (the Republican half) are mentally ill themselves?

[Ladyhawk]

145. Speaking as a former fundy, I can tell you that fundies are nuts.

I used to believe I had a direct line to God. I spoke in tongues and prophesied. I told my boyfriend that if he didn't disown his gay father, he would be dragged to hell as well. I did a lot of crazy things that I am not proud of today. In fact, I'm quite embarrassed and ashamed when I think back on those times when I thought God was speaking directly through me.

I was majorly fucked up and didn't even know it. I "felt" the presence of God and I interpreted any good feeling or gut feeling as a revelation from God. Sigh.

It's nearly impossible to cure this kind of delusional thinking. The framework for thinking about the world is this fundamentalist world view and anything that does not fit is pushed aside. I think it's way too late for Pat Robertson, Bush and people like my mother, but some can be reached. The only way to reach them is to forcibly expose them to the ideas of others. Bit by bit, the house of cards starts to come apart. Sometimes there's a "straw that breaks the camel's back" event. Sometimes it happens slowly over time.

Losing one's worldview can be excruciating, even if it means you're no longer delusional. I think this is why fundies hang on so hard. They want to go to heaven when they die. They want to feel like they have a friend who will never leave them. They want to feel like they are part of some great cosmic scheme. Of course they do. They want to believe.

Beware most of that which you want to believe, my friends, for your judgment will be clouded by desire.

[Cocoa]

97. Bush believed the neocons

the ones that talked about cakewalks, etc.

[The Icon Painter]

99. Notice the picture

Have y'all noticed the photo that accompanies the article on the CNN page about the Robertson interview? The one of Zippy in front of the flag? Now, I want the DUer who Photoshopped that picture to confess and claim bragging rights. Lord knows I despise the little Napoleon, but I don't think he looks this stupid! MoPaul, did you do it? Whoever is responsible, good job and congratulations!

[Gregorian]

112. OK, I'll admit it. Here's the original picture.

First I would like to say that Dimson's never had any casualties. And being braindead, he just assumed that starting a war called Shock & Awe would just be one bright flash, and then falling flowers.



PS- I'm cold and naked. So I'm forgiven for the lousy ps.

[Divine Discontent]

185. I can't stop laughing.....

this so friggin funny... thanks for the laugh.. he does look HORRIBLE in that photo doesn't he? like another friend of DU wrote earlier, "no patton is he?"


ROTFLMAO


God bless John Kerry!!!!!!!

[gulfcoastliberal]

100. * sure has some issues

Hopefully his government healthcare program will ensure adequate treatment for his mental illness once he is removed from office.

[RaleighNCDUer]

101. I think some people are missing the point here.

The article finishes with Robertson saying he supports the president -- he's the right man at the right time.

He's trying to rally the base of the (not necessarily oxymoronic) intelligent fundies who see that * is an incompetent moran and are worried. He's saying that it's all OK, he's God's moran -- trust him.

He thinks he can fool us by telling the truth for a change.

[The_Urge]

102. Pat is a loon

This guy is certifiable, why would I listen to this guy. He once said that there would be hurricanes in Florida (imagine that) because theer are so many gays there. Although this seems like a tasty morsel the chef sucks!

[progressivebydesign]

127. No.. he's crazy like a fox!

Robertson is in it for Robertson. He has such immense financial dealings with countries and regimes that make Iraq look like New Zealand! Robertson, like pretty much ALL tv preachers, is in it for the dough. He's supporting Bush, because Bush is good for HIS bottom line. If God has so much free time on his hands, to endorse the likes of Bush, then he isn't working hard enough.. cuz I know of some people in Sudan that could use some help!

[Bassguy]

104. Robertson heals Bush

Why didn't Pat heal him on the spot from the demon that had obviously taken him over? He does it all the
time on his show. He receives messages from god (word of knowledge) and promptly announces that some nebulous
person watching is now being healed. Was God holding out on Ol' Pat? The interview should have began something like...
"Rev. Robertson, you're a well documented nut case. You've made multi-millions conning the old, poor and ignorant.
You're Benny Hinn in better packaging." "Please explain why any serious journalist would interview you NOT in the context of
an expose of you're elaborate con game and kooky ministry?"
" Why Would the President of the United States meet with a nut like you in the first place?"
"Oh wait, silly me. I said serious journalist."

[NJmaverick]

107. We need to get the main steam media to pick up this story

This story should be picked up by AP and Rueters

[Lizzie Borden]

189. It was picked up

be the CBS Evening news.

[sunnybrook]

108. has bush responded to this... will they deny

will they try to make Robertson look like he's "flipped his lid" or that he misunderstood what Bush said? What is their angle? How can this be spinnable?

[aden_nak]

110. When Pat Robertson thinks you're arrogant, you have a PROBLEM.

[Catherine Vincent]

111. No matter how Bush screws up (which he has), he'll claim he's on a mission

from God. That's why this guy is invoking God in everything he decides. That's why the lemmings continue to support that idiot and thinks he's so godly.

[vogonity]

114. What is Pat's motivation here?

Other than beeing crazier than a shithouse rat, what is Pat's reason for saying this? Pat can pretend to not understand "the politics game" all he wants, but he is nationally known, and HAS to know that what he told a REPORTER would be well, reported.

What's his game?

[progressivebydesign]

128. MONEY!!!

Robertson is a multi-millionaire. He is no different than any other corporate whore, he's in this to fatten his wallet.

[Norquist Nemesis]

115. No casualties. Just saved souls sent to Heaven

compliments of the Bush administration.

[stevietheman]

116. Mexed Missages

In another forum, somebody questioned God's infallibility with regards to giving Bush bad intel.

My response was: "God not infallible? No way!"

What is fallible, of course, is what happens as Bush interprets God's message as it emits from his earpiece.

God to Bush, pre-war: "Bush, my son, there is no CAUSALITY"

--

Steve
"Yeah, Kerry isn't perfect, but at least he's sane."

[classof56]

118. Welcome to DU, Steve

Glad to have you with us. As more and more evidence of Bush's mental instability and megalomania surface, perhaps more and more voters will fully understand what a dangerous and frightening man he is and decide to vote for "less than perfect but sane" (good way to put it, thank you)Kerry and we won't be dealing with the disastrous consequences of Bush's "election".

Let us keep the faith!

[stevietheman]

120. Glad to be here.

I'm an Independent for SANITY in a President.

Heck, I'd take old Bob Dole or dead Ronald Reagan over our current freakish leader.

Steve

[Divine Discontent]

187. welcome to DU

you're a part of the nuthouse, you can't leave now! :)
I've been posting for a month, nearly everyone is awesome on here.

God bless

[young_at_heart]

117. How will the parents and loves ones of those killed react?

Even if they are ardent supporters surely they will be disturbed by such a crazy statement from our "commander in chief"!

[wryter2000]

119. Wish I could find a link

About this time last year, * declared that he didn't want to see any more troop deaths after March. They'd hurt his campaign. The man is truly out of touch with reality.

[diamond14]

124. PHOTO (caution: graphic)....American Soldier #1100

"We're not going to have any casualties". (bush*, March 2003)

[EndElectoral]

126. We need a kerry ad with this, the Bin Laden quote, can't win war on terror

[The Night Owl]

129. George W. Bush: The Un Tzu

Smirk is essentially the opposite of Sun Tzu.

[BUSHOUT]

130. Thankyou Pat Robertson.

[ProfessorGAC]

132. Kerry's Not A Leader, But Bush Is, Pat?

So a good senator, and a 'ponderous' debater with a command of the facts, is not a good leader, but a guy who has made "mistakes" & "gaffes" who won't admit them, and is so oblivious that he expected a war without casualties, is a leader.

No wonder Pat is a man of faith. Logic has obviously eluded him completely.
The Professor

[sisenor]

134. Robertson and Bush talking to two different GODS

"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," Robertson said. "I warned him about casualties."

That's not what God told Bush, though.

[joytomme]

137. Bush Arrogance about No casualties

All the latest conjecture about Bush's health raises the issue of his medications. It's very likely he's on mood-elevators or anti-depressants. If that's true, he would be highly likely to have an out-of-reality sense of well-being and confidence.

Have you ever seen a nasty relative or friend who has been put on Prozac or Elavil? Myohmy! Are they full of bonhomie and happy-talk or what?

In another age, another era, another time, it would be said the President is high as a kite.

[w4rma]

139. It wasn't God who told Bush there would be no casualties. It was the other

guy, down below.

[Citizen Carl]

140. Lost touch with reality.

I work a major national poll for my college and it is painstakingly hard to listen to people claim how great Bush is after I read articles like these. Bush has lost any sense of reality to claim that there would have been no casualties. I really do hope people in the future try to look at history and do a psycho-analysis of him...cause he should be committed already.

[Laelth]

147. Bush's Personality

I've compiled a good list of articles on Bush and his personality HERE. There's a psychological profile in there too--says he's an authoritarian personality, prone to fascism (no surprize there).

:scared:

-Laelth

[Raster]

143. Keep in mind Gawd also told Pat that $hrub would win in a landslide.

I bet Gawd is getting his polling data from Galllup. What do you think?

[Goathead]

144. The Jesus Landing Pad

Anybody who has not read this article, it is a real eyeopener! Bush & Co. are complete nut jobs and they will do anything to fulfill their 'rapture' prophecy.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0420/perlstein.php

[sunnybrook]

146. has anyone seen the Kerry response? McCurry issued statement...

saying that Bush should be given "benefit of doubt" (?) but asked for a response to the question "Was Pat Robertson lying or telling the truth?" They will just probably say that Robertson "misunderstood what the president said" or some similar bullshit. I don't understand why this is not the top story everywhere. I looked on Yahoo news and Google news and top stories are about Bush saying Kerry is liberal! What the hell is wrong with our media?

[Bassguy]

149. Bush is the Anti-Christ website

this is a fun site. It can be a bit scary if you allow yourself to be compelled.
http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

[RaleighNCDUer]

163. As an atheist, I don't believe a word of it --

but, yeah, that's scary.

[Anakin Skywalker]

164. Re: "The Jesus Landing Pad"

Mahalo Nui Loa for the link, Kahuku. The article is informative.

[Dr Fate]

148. Bush is so "certain", even when he is wrong.

The true mark of a great leader. Not.

[zaron]

151. CBS has the story on their web site...

I called the NYT newline and asked them to cover this. This should be a bigger story then mentioning Mary Cheney but we'll see. I also e-mailed CBS to thank them for actually covering the news and CNN to say how I wanted to hear much more about this and think it should be explored much further.

[gristy]

194. Well, good job, zaron.

And welcome to DU! :hi:

[Mistahkleeen]

152. Why is this race so close

I don't understand why this race is close. Bush is a moron, why would anyone with HALF a BRAIN CELL, vote for this loser.

[RaleighNCDUer]

166. Check out freerepublic.com

You'll meet a lot of people with half a brain cell, and see their reasons.

Welcome to DU, Mistahkleeen

[realcountrymusic]

153. Why should he bother his

beautiful mind about that, anyway (or his mother's)?

Now it is time to return to the issue of why he has never attended the funeral of a fallen US soldier. I guess for him there have not really been any casualties.

RCM

[davidinalameda]

154. why would he say something like this

is he setting Bush up

[trespam]

155. Here's the Yahoo link: rate it

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041020/ap_on_el_pr/bush_robertson_1

[lakeguy]

178. done!

4.25 right now...

[Lizzie Borden]

179. It's down to 3.8

It needs help.

[Divine Discontent]

190. here's another yahoo story, same thing, rate it!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=ap/bush_robertson


God bless John Kerry...


I'm gonna be sick if Bush gets in again, we must get out the vote, I'm volunteering to drive, hopefully I'll get a car load full, ya never know...

[maumcc1]

158. But why? What is the purpose?

[no1bodyspecial]

195. Me too...

Bush is so concerned with the poles, it is obvious...
He pays attention to public opinion...
When we went along with invading Iraq he had backing...
We wanted it because we were scared...

Fear is the tool DICTATORS use for control...

[kostya]

160. I'm not seeing this getting picked up by other media outlets

If Kerry had said this there would be banner headlines. Again, Bush is teflonized. - K
:grr:

[juliagoolia]

169. google-news and official white house statement

coming out.

Search google news
"pat robertson" sort by date

note all the local papers picked it up

Have been playing it all day on CNN. White house is coming out with a statement????? Must be something to it.

[sisenor]

176. Seen it on CNN non-stop

And MSNBC.

[PresidentErnestTBass]

162. The Biblical test of true prophets

A real prophet of God has to be accurate 100% of the time. Pat Robertson already fails this so he's not a real prophet. If George W. Bush said this then he's not a real prophet either.

The penalty for false prophets who acted in the name of God was to be taken outside the city and stoned to death.

[RaleighNCDUer]

167. Oooh! Can I watch?

[peterh]

168. Karen Hughes in damage control…..

Ohhhhh no…my bushy would never say something like that…..my ass!




DJ Adviser: Bush Unlikely To Have Made Casualties Claim -CNN

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--A key campaign adviser to George W. Bush said it is
unlikely the president claimed the U.S. would suffer no casualties in Iraq and
suggests television evangelist Pat Robertson may have misunderstood Bush.
"Perhaps he (Robertson) misunderstood," campaign strategist Karen Hughes told
Cable News Network in an interview. "I've never heard the president say any such
thing and I cannot imagine that he ever would," she said.
Robertson, in an interview with CNN that aired Tuesday night, said God had
told him that the war would be messy and a disaster.
When he met with the president in Nashville before the war, Robertson said
Bush responded: "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."
Robertson said Bush did not listen to his advice and believed Saddam Hussein
was an evil tyrant who needed to be removed.
Hughes, on CNN, said she "cannot imagine that that conversation would ever
take place." At the time the conversation between Robertson and Bush is said to
have taken place, the U.S. had already suffered casualties in Afghanistan,
Hughes pointed out, so the president would've been aware that an invasion of
Iraq was likely to involve U.S. casualties.
"Of course, he knows that wars result, unfortunately, in the loss of lives,"
Hughes also said.

(END) Dow Jones Newswires
10-20-04 1653ET(AP-DJ-10-20-04 2053GMT)

[grumpy old fart]

177. Bush calls Robertson a Liar!

This headline should get the "Base" a little perplexed...lol

[Lisa]

170. this sounds eerily like those stories from W Africa and SE Asia ...

... where child-prophets assure guerilla armies that they can cast magic spells to deflect bullets!


http://www.insightnewstv.com/c59/

"It all began when nine-year old Luther announced that he had had a vision - his calm self-assurance convincing all who listened that God was speaking through him. Suddenly at a time of devastating defeats for the Karen, here was a supernatural source of hope - though perhaps blind faith in a child prophet is a measure of how desperate things had become.

But now his visions inspire their tactics, and they believe his presence on the battlefield protects them from harm. When Luther is there, the soldiers tell us, landmines fail to explode and bullets fall aside."



http://www.expotimes.net/pastissues/issue000607/afeat.htm

"Their orders, whether sane or insane, and most times insane, and roasted in religious imagery, are final. Their nation bristles with intolerant clarities of doctrine-and with high-caliber weapons juju-charms and drugs. Uganda's Holy Spirit Movement, which existed from 1985 to 1996, was a violent Christian sect. Its members often died in suicidal attacks convinced that magic oil would protect them from the bullets of government troops.

NPFL and RUF child soldiers act in the same way haven't been hypnotized to believe that the juju-charms they wear would prevent any bullet from killing them. But almost always members of such rebel groups, sealed into paranoia succumbs to the influence of a sort of hypnotist like Foday Sankoh or Jonas Savimbi or Charles Taylor or Alice Lekwena or Joseph Kony, and die from government or ECOMOG or U. N bullets. Their so-called juju-charms or magic oil supposed to protect them flying away with them into powder."

[othermeans]

173. Well well talk about an October Surprise!!!

[MisterP]

174. which one's the Lamb, and which one's the False Prophet or Beast?

or maybe they all take turns, with Moon as Antichrist Pro Tempore.

[mountainvue]

182. Rut Roh.

Is the base beginning to doubt the chimperor?

[tobybear]

193. Maybe he said "we aren't going to have many casualties"

and Robertson misheard him. I can't imagine that even monkey boy would be so dumb as to say they're weren't going to be any casualties but he is arrogant enough to say there weren't going to be many casualties.

[kostya]

196. Yeah that might fly EXCEPT that Robertson didn't back off his story

this afternoon:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/index.html

[tobybear]

219. I guess it's not a matter of stupidity as much as delusional thinking by *

[VegasWolf]

198. When he said no casulties, he meant Blair of England, Howard of

Australia, etc, .

Hey, I got the 200th post, where's my toaster.

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

[sister moon]

199. :shrug:

I hve a slightly used 8-cup mr.coffee you can have. not programmable, sorry

where's my bloody emoticon?

[Spiffarino]

205. Your :shrug: won't show in the subject

...just in the body of the message, like so ... :evilgrin::bounce::shrug:

[ArnoldLayne]

200. Does anybody know if Fox News

has reported it Hannity,Hume. I noticed CBS and CNN showed clips of the interview.:dem:

[Robbie67]

202. Robertson deserves no respect

I mean, look how he complimented Bush in the same chat!!

If Robertson was talking to Bush about casualties, it was only in service to Bush to remind him of the political fallout his plans might cause.

[juliagoolia]

206. ROBERTSON SAID IT BEFORE IN HARDBALL

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1125016

see the above thread.. dont want to lose this info.

[juliagoolia]

210. PAT HAS been consistent CNN February 27, 2003 Connie Chung

He also told Connie Chung he warned Bush..

CHUNG: Because I'm wondering if you believe the United States should invade Iraq without U.N. backing.

ROBERTSON: Connie, I have, over the last year or so, been quite concerned about entering into this war. We should have gone in after him in the Gulf War I.

This thing is fraught with danger. And I think we need to understand that. I told the president that just recently, that we have got to prepare the American people for civilian casualties, for possibly our casualties, for gassing, for various chemical weapons against them.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0302/27/cct.00.html

[obiwan]

208. Remember, W has a name for U.S. casualties...

... they are referred to as "OFU's" (one fodder unit).

[Pithy Cherub]

209. So - if two fundies disagree,

which broke the commandment about lying...

[Sven77]

211. what a nutcase

is this the same guy i saw on tv saying that 2 iranian operatives saw bin laden eye-to-eye in iran. bush and robertson are quite a couple. separation of church and state my ass.

[Divine Discontent]

212. what you really mean is....

separation of brain from the body!


these two are both oddsville in my book. I despise Robertson for his hateful remarks, and the Pres. humiliates us around the globe!


Bush will meet with Robertson, the kooky-not-so-Christian religious man, about the war, but he refused to meet with the United Methodist Church leaders about it, to whom which he is a member!

God help us...

[moosedog]

215. They say what they want to believe...

People that are too comfortable in their lives, don't seem to think that they need to be realistic. If you want it to be a certain way, then you just make it that way in your mind and the rest of the people will conform to it. They serve no one but themselves. Mrs. Moose

[prairie populist]

217. little mention on cable new - that's scary

Bush claiming that there would be no American deaths is scary.

Robertson claiming that God speaks directly to him and that Bush has God's personal endorsement is scary.

Bush's denial that he said this, basically calling Robertson a liar is interesting.

But the most frightening development of all is the lack of attention given this exchange by the cable news networks.

They have gone on at length about such inconsequential things as Kerry dropping the "L" bomb - oh yeah, that involved sex - and about what Teresa may or may not have meant in her comments on Laura Bush - oh yeah, cat fight - but have turned a blind eye to this truly disturbing revelation about Bush's warped mindset.

And this information is coming from one of his biggest boosters.
Does someone have to take out a series of ads on this ala the swifties before they will address this?

[Free2BMe]

220. PR also believes the blessing of heaven is upon GB...that

cannot be dealing with reality...why does the creator get such a bum rap in this garbage...?