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Dickie Flatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:34 PM
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Bin Laden's exact location is known, says 9-11 panelist
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 06:39 PM by Dickie Flatt
Surprise!

The Pentagon knows exactly where Osama bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan, it just can't get to him, John Lehman, a member of the 9-11 commission, said Thursday.

Lehman's remarks echoed those made Tuesday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who asserted that the al-Qaida leader was alive and operating in the western part of Pakistan.

Bin Laden is living in South Waziristan in the Baluchistan Mountains of the Baluchistan region, Lehman told The San Bernardino Sun after delivering a keynote speech on terrorism at Pitzer College in Claremont.

In the exclusive interview, Lehman noted, "There is an American presence in the area, but we can't just send in troops. If we did, we could have another Vietnam, and the United States cannot afford that right now."
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:36 PM
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1. maybe they can send a boy scout with a sling shot after him
that's about all we have available isn't it?
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:46 PM
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15. Maybe we can outsource the job to halliburton. They must know some
US bounty hunters who need work.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:56 PM
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17. Don't be silly. Outsource it to India.
I hear they're great friends with Pakistan.

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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:07 PM
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32. India was the first country in the world to offer military support to the
US to wage war on Afghanistan, right after 9/11. But Bush chose to go with Pakistan - an Islamic dictatorship thats the #1 source of nuclear weapons proliferation in the world. So much for supporting democracies around the world
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:36 PM
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2. Oh, give me a break. n/t
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:36 PM
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3. BOMB that motherfucker!
and the assholes supporting him! What the fuck!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:34 PM
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40. Of course, we should actually find out if he was involved with 9-11,
don't you think? We have no idea who did 9-11. It has never been investigated. I'm leaning toward Cheney and pals.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:37 PM
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4. What does he mean "could have"? We DO have.
The only thing that he's really right about is the fact that we can't afford it.
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wrate Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:37 PM
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5. Is this from the same sources that knew where Iraq's WMD were? n/t
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:37 PM
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6. So they haven't thought of
sending some SEAL units in there? Rove's desparate enough to do anything.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:15 AM
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54. Baluchistan facts
Baluchistan
Pronunciation Key

Baluchistan , region and province (1998 pop. 6,511,358), c.134,000 sq mi (347,000 sq km), Pakistan. It is bounded by Iran on the west, by Afghanistan on the north, and by the Makran coast of the Arabian Sea on the south. Quetta is the capital; it is connected by railway to the main Indus plains corridor of Pakistan. Lying outside the monsoon zone and with few rivers usable for irrigation, Baluchistan is largely desert basins with inarable hills and mountains. Pastoral nomads who speak languages related to Persian constitute most of the sparse population. Some cotton is raised and processed, and natural gas is exploited. On the coast there is trade in fish and salt. It was incorporated into the province of West Pakistan in 1955, but returned to full provincial status in 1970. In 1976 the Pakistani central government revoked the authority of local chiefs to administer their own peoples, touching off a popular revolt against the government. Guerrilla fighting between native leaders and government forces continued into the 1980s.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:38 PM
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7. Another reason going into Iraq was such bad leadership
and the Bush crew should be fired because of this.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:38 PM
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8. Hmm Sunday, perchance Monday
October SURPRISE
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:40 PM
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9. on schedule
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:40 PM
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10. he's with Jenna and Babs
partying in Georgetown

knew it
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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:40 PM
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11. But I thought "yew kin run but yew cain't haaayde"
And anyways isn't this the sort of information one shouldn't publicly brag about if it's true?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:44 PM
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12. Bin laden is in Pakistani custody and is being held in a remote area on
the Sino-Paki border somewhere around K2.

Isn't he supposed to be "captured" on Monday?
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:44 PM
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13. "If we did, we could have another Vietnam, and the United States
cannot afford that right now."

hilarious statement.
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:44 PM
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14. Do they know what "another Vietnam" means?
They seem to be suggesting that great loss of life is "Vietnam". "Vietnam" is a long conflict sith lies at it's roots, no justification, not a last resort, languishing without movement, etc. Hello,... Iraq. Now, WWII was also a war where many died, but the invasion of Europe had a purpose. To push back the nazi's. The war was overt when we got Hitler (I know, no body found). If we go into Pakistan to get the man who attacked us, then that would be just, no matter the loss (small loss better). Getting Osama = WWII. Iraq = Vietnam.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:29 PM
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28. Yes, if we could trust that the official,9-11 story was true..
then we would be justified in doing whatever we had to to get OBL. It does not seem like this is the case however.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:47 PM
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16. They knew where he was before and then backed down and let the locals
play. We all know how that turned out. So even if they manage to grab him now (or tidy up the freezer burns on him) they still have to explain what the hell took the extra years!
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:05 PM
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18. Saudi America won't let us get him-nothing more to it
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:10 PM
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19. PAKISTAN
Pakistan, they neglected to tell us, is a CODE WORD to designate Cheney's secret bunker!
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:11 PM
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20. Lehman is out of date, we'd have another Iraq.
Vietnam is no longer the reference point for strategic stupidity, we have a newer one.
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joemamabush com Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:41 PM
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50. iraq
President Bush will not be re-elected. And the reason
is Iraq!
The fact is, we have lost it! Democracy will not happen
there. In addition, we will soon be talking an "exit strategy" as
Iraq plunges into civil war! Unfortunately, all this will be clear to
voters by election day as more and more bombings, deaths, kidnappings and beheadings fill our daily headlines and TV screens!
Look at these headlines: "Insurgents infiltrate Green Zone, kill 4 Americans...Iraqi judge assassinated...Allawi says January elections may have to be postponed! Why listen to me? For intelligence, you can take to the bank! November of 2001 I knew that Iraq was next me and some of my more pundit of friends discussed
"Bush means business and will invade Iraq" -- 16
months later, he did!

Bush's "mission accomplished" speech was that the "U.S. will be bogged down in a guerrilla war in Iraq for years." Today, we are bogged down in a guerrilla war! Chaos and violence will continue in Iraq
With President Bush surging in the polls right after the Republican Convention, and with Kerry seemingly losing ground in many swing states, most of us figured the President would easily coast to re-election. But not so fast...Before the debates, Bush had a clear lead. Now the polls show the race tied, or with Kerry slightly ahead. What caused the shift? It was not Bush's performance, as the pundits would have you believe. He did just fine. It is that most Americans are uneasy with the President's foreign and domestic policies and are taking a second look at Kerry. The proof is in these polling stats...
1.
Fully 57% believe that invading Iraq was a mistake!
2.
Only 45% of voters (just 11% of undecided) believe
Bush deserves a second term!
3.
55% of voters believe Bush is taking the country in
the "wrong direction" and are uneasy about his ability
to handle a "foreign crisis."

Pre-election al-Qaeda attack likely
My Middle Eastern intelligence sources tell me Al - Qaeda is planning an attack against the U.S. shortly before election day, but not here in America.Instead, they'll launch a tea party offensive-style attack in Iraq that overwhelmingly proves we're losing there(last thursday's daring attack in the Green Zone may be the start). And that will be devastating to the President.



President Bush's own CIA intelligence assessment gave him a grim review: under the best case scenario, the violence and chaos in Iraq won't improve any time soon. Under the worst case scenario, the country will plunge into civil war. And this report was given in July, when things were not nearly as bad as they are today! When this intelligence report leaked out, the president tried to put a positive spin on it, saying,"The CIA was only guessing." But that was the wrong thing to say to voters who had just learned that two American citizens were beheaded by Iraqi insurgents. My Washington intelligence sources tell me that today,the argument is no longer between those who predict failure and those who predict success. The argument is between those who predict failure and those who predict catastrophic failure! First, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was determined to fight the war on the cheap with a small number of troops and a lot of high-tech weaponry. He
got his way, but do you remember when General Shinseki said we would need up to 300,000 troops to do the job and Rumsfeld scoffed at that? Well, Shinseki was right and Rumsfeld was wrong. Then, without enough troops to provide security,looters had a field day. Insurgents committed murder and violence with impunity. Water and power and other
basic services became difficult to supply. The oil fields and pipelines were continually blown up. Jobs and reconstruction were delayed. And all this continues today, only worse! Second, before the invasion, President Bush put Condi Rice and Doug Feith (from Paul Wolfowitz's office at the Pentagon) in charge of post-war Iraq planning.
Wrong people for the job. Colin Powell and State should've done it. You see, Condi and Doug may be big thinkers, but they're lousy administrators. And of course, they didn't know Iraq. The fact is, they
botched it. And their man in field, Paul Bremer,failed too, though he now claims he didn't have enough troops to succeed.The third reason is the unfortunate Abu Ghraib prison-abuse scandal, which caused a dramatic increase in anti-American sentiment. The result is that the
percentage of Iraqis who call us "occupiers" rather than "liberators" is 98%. And the percentage of Iraqis who are willing to cooperate with the insurgents to get us out of Iraq is now a majority of the
population.

Beheadings horrify Americans

By any objective assessment, Iraq is a violent and chaotic mess, with unemployment at 70%, essential services far worse than under Saddam, and physical security practically non-existent in most areas.



You may be surprised to learn that the most successful new Iraqi business today is not one building new homes, schools, and hospitals, but one building "concrete barriers" to separate the Americans from the
Iraqi people! Today, Iraqis see Americans as liars, occupiers, and oil-stealers, so it's easy to understand how the insurgency, which started out with only 1,000 - 3,000 fighters and supporters, has grown to a majority of the Iraqi population. And that's why horrifying kidnappings and
beheadings will increase in the weeks to come. Already, voters are asking, "Why do we have to stay in Iraq when we didn't find W. M. D. s? Why should we spend $120 billion per year there, when we have $450 billion
deficits at home? And why should our young men and women die there -- now up to 1,107, an increase of 39 in just 10 days -- when the Iraqis are unwilling to provide for their own defense. Well, there is a
reason...
The main reason we went to Iraqand why Bush won't leave. President Bush can't talk about this in public -- it's too sensitive. But the main reason for invading Iraq was not eliminating WMD, fighting terrorism, or the feel good reason,” freeing the Iraqi people." It was to secure for America the second-largest oil reserves in the world. Look at how much Bush increased the strategic oil reserves No, I'm not expressing a cynical point of view. And
I'm not being critical of the President's policies. The fact is, we absolutely must have that oil to preserve and extend our economic and military power! With China, India, and other former developing countries rapidly industrializing, the global demand for oil will accelerate to double today's consumption in just the next 10 years. Meanwhile, no large oil fields have been found since 1976 (Mexico), the North Sea is almost out of oil, and total worldwide oil production is no greater today than it was in 1979! Less oil in the Middle East than reported. My Middle East sources tell me OPEC has been lying about their reserves. Several oil geologists have suspected this for years and have refuted Iran's, Iraq's, and Saudi Arabia's stated high reserves, claims they say were mere ego-posturing to maintain
their dominant OPEC positions. Now, these same oil experts predict that as early as 2014 we'll see severe world shortages, and by 2029 all
the world's current known oil will be used up, including Saudi Arabia's hyped reserves, unless we find more...Some of our oil executives believe more oil will be found in Iraq. And no question America desperately needs a BIG new source of crude oil. U.S. long-range
planners know this. And President Bush knows it.



That's why he made the difficult call to go into Iraq, install a U.S.-friendly government, and ensure U.S. access to Iraq's oil, which is vital to our economy and way of life. Obviously, we weren't going to get any favors from Saddam Hussein (not after bombing him for 10 years), although France, Germany, and China were. And that's why they opposed us at the U.N. You see, Bush's advisors knew all too well that our "policy of containment," started by Bush 41 and continued by Clinton, was successful. They also knew that Saddam Hussein despised us and would never cooperate with our oil companies once the sanctions
were lifted. Window of opportunity on Iraqi oil was fast closing
Thus, without overthrowing Saddam, we would've been frozen out of the oil contracts, not to mention other business with Iraq. And then there was the problem with the dollar...In November of 2000, Saddam switched the trading of Iraqi oil from the dollar to the Euro. That didn't mean much during the Food-for-Oil Program, but it was going to be huge once the sanctions were lifted. And global pressure was mounting to lift the sanctions. Trading the world's 2nd largest oil reserves on the Euro would have undercut confidence in the dollar. Remember, we carry a lot of debt. Our economy is highly leveraged. We need to maintain confidence in our currency and financial markets, and we need oil...lots of it. That's why taking down Saddam was a top priority for President Bush from the first days of his administration. And, after ousting Saddam, the President wisely restored Iraqi oil trading back to the dollar (May'03). And, of course, Halliburton took control of the oil fields to put us first in line for the oil. Unfortunately, it has not worked out as planned...Iraq has 7,000 miles of oil pipelines and 260 oil facilities. We cannot possibly protect all of that. And
the insurgents have been very successful at bombing them. Today, in spite of our state-of the art technology and best restoration efforts, Iraq is pumping 150,000 barrels per day less than it pumped under Saddam, at a loss of $2 billion per year. That's hurt Iraq's economy, and our image, and it's even contributed to crude topping $50 a barrel!
To fight the insurgents...or not to fight! Earlier this year, President Bush ordered a low-profile for our troops, in order to avoid U.S.
casualties in the run up to the election. Probably a mistake. That just let Moqtada al-Sadr and his fighters walk away with their arms intact, and also allowed the Fallujah insurgents to grow bigger and stronger. Also, our attempt to get the Iraqis to do the fighting have failed, just as it did in Viet Nam. Attacks on Americans and Iraqi collaborators now run to the hundreds every day. But our military has only cautiously engaged the enemy, knocking out 125 insurgents in Samarra while mostly avoiding Fallujah. Unfortunately, like some hydra-headed monster, another 500 insurgents pop up for every 100 we kill. And that's because most Iraqis are against us!



The Iraqis despise the U.S.-backed Allawi government in Iraq, and they hate us. So, in the weeks leading up to our presidential election, terror, violence, death, and destruction will only worsen in Iraq. And that means an increasing number of voters will see Kerry as a way out, or at least as a faster way out! And here's another big problem for the president.
President Bush vulnerable on the economy
KEY POINT: This year, only 8% of the voting public is undecided. And when the majority thinks the country is on the wrong course, this undecided group historically breaks to the challenger, provided the challenger is a reasonable alternative. And Kerry, for all his
negatives, passes that test. That means 7 of 10 of these votes will go to Kerry.
KEY POINT: While investors believe the economy is rapidly improving, that corporate profits are good, and Bush's economic policies are creating thousands of new jobs, the average Joe believes his job is at risk of being shipped overseas, that his pay and benefits are being reduced to increase corporate profits, while his costs of living are skyrocketing. That means the Reagan Democrats will vote for Kerry.
KEY POINT: Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and West Virginia are must-win swing states with 64 electoral votes. And all of them are still in recession, today, two and a half years after the U.S. recession officially ended.
By November 2nd they'll go for Kerry, who says he'll penalize companies that outsource jobs and reward those who hire American workers.
Another interesting point about Michigan -- they have a large Muslim population there, who in 2000 overwhelmingly supported Bush. Not this year. They're voting for Kerry, believing he'll do more to protect
their civil rights. Real wages are down this year
KEY POINT: Labor Dept. stats show that the new jobs added in the last 3 years are paying, on average, 30% less than the old ones lost, and with reduced benefits. In fact, there's a $280 billion gap between what workers have today and what they had at this point in the previous six economic recoveries. And take-home pay, as a percentage of the economy, is at its lowest level since 1929.
None of this is good news for the President. And even if you figure that most Americans don't know about these stats (and they don't), they do know what's happening in their lives, and they're feeling the
pinch!
BOTTOM LINE: Swing states that are struggling economically...that have seen good-paying jobs replaced with low-paying ones...and whose workers
either can't find a job or can't make ends meet...will go to Kerry!



Finally, consider that Bush's approval rating is hovering around 47%, and historically voters match that number on election day. I'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction: Kerry 55%, Bush 43%, and
Nader 1% (1% for others).
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:11 PM
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21. He's hanging out a the ranch in Crawford! Bin Laden Saudi connections.

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:14 PM
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22. I Personally Don't Believe A Word of It
These people can't keep their lies straight, and dealing in truth is totally against their code of dishonor.

Show me the money (and I'll show you the crooks and the truth).
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 03:05 AM
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56. Neither do I
The fellow - Lehman - had previously made some patently political statements in regards to 9/11 that I find his credibility wanting - to say the least.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:15 PM
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23. well i'm usama, and i'm back from the dead..
chillin' on the beach
down at club med
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:26 PM
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24. More BS!
Capturing or assasinating Osama bin Laden will not lessen any actions from al Q.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:33 PM
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25. you mean the same colin powell
that gave such definitive and shocking evidence of the where abouts of weapons of mass destruction to the u.n.?
that colin powell?
why is lehman opening his fuckin yap about this?
they are not afraid of starting another viet nam -- if you couldn't tell by iraq.
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:12 PM
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26. Well, Chimpy did say,
and I'm not exaggerating, that he's not too concerned about him.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:30 PM
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46. 'Tis more interested in Poland

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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:17 PM
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27. priceless quote
"we can't just send in troops. If we did, we could have another Vietnam, and the United States cannot afford that right now."

No we can't have 2 modern day Vietnams at the same time can we?

my head is getting ready to explode...I feel some heavy drinking comming on..
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:31 PM
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47. Who's gonna do the heavy drinking, you or junior?
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:46 PM
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29. DANG. If only Pakistan had a US backed militaristic dictator!
Um...
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:48 PM
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30. Dubya and his Colon Pal will never find him...
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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:00 PM
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31. Are we being prepared for the imminent announcement of Osama's capture ?
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 09:08 PM by nine30
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:16 PM
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35. You know the Chimp must be angling for that; short of that or another
stolen election, he hasn't a prayer.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:13 PM
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33. They'd pinned him down to Tora Bora in Dec 2001,
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 09:13 PM by Minstrel Boy
but stood down the special forces, for the supposed reason they didn't want to risk taking casualties in the heavy snow.

As troops watched, helicopters from Pakistan flew in, loaded up bin Laden and flew out.

Here's the eyewitness report:

http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story-archive.php?Template=terrorism&Story=37935

They don't want him. Never did.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:41 PM
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42. 9/11 was a godsend to the Bush admin
It gave them the public support to wage wars they had wanted to engage in for years but couldn't. Pinning this on Bin Laden enabled them to invade Afghanistan and install a friendlier government there, a neccessary step in establishing control over Middle Eastern oilfields.

Well before that invasion ever took place however the second stage of the oil wars was being planned. It involved an invasion of Iraq and they knew this was the more controversial step. They were prepared to accept some disapproval of this plan but they still needed all the support at home they could get. Capturing or killing Bin Laden would have eroded that support; a little at first and then increasing as more and more people came to believe that the "war on terror" was little more than an excuse for a power grab in the Middle East, which is of course exactly what it is.

I personally believe that Bin Laden is likely dead. It isn't to anyone's advantage to admit this though, so it's likely that he will simply continue to be a legendary boogieman somewhere out there in the mountains, planning all the while for the next massive slaughter of America's babies.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:33 PM
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34. If the boogeyman is captured, then who will scare the little children?
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:18 PM
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36. Maybe, we should just bomb Iraq instead?
Or, did somebody think of that already?
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:23 PM
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37. Baluchistan? Waziristan? Oh come on.
That's ridiculous. Those HAVE to be made-up names.

Sure I've done Google searches and the names appear to be legit, but come on people, there's just no way there's more "istan" places. Haven't we bombed them all already?
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:30 PM
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38. Oh, this is GOOD.
I'm laughing my head off. They can't find him after how many YEARS of looking, so they come up with "We know where he is -- we just can't get to him."

And I take it this means we are supposed to vote for * because he is doing such a wonderful job. :puke:

The freepers will be out of their minds with * worship. :puke:

Hell, if it works for *...

I know where Jimmy Hoffa is. I just can't get to him right now.
Someone come and pay me big bucks to tell my story! :) :crazy:

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:32 PM
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39. Did they not just yesterday say the trail had gone cold??
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:15 AM
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53. Yep, here's the thread. Guess that one didn't play so well. Now they
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dqueue Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:41 PM
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41. Rovian distraction
I surmise it's a Rovian distraction. Disinformation campaign to focus attention elsewhere... so, to wheedle down and find the untarget that we're supposed to ignore...
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:46 PM
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43. "HEY EVERYBODY!! GUESS WHERE BIN LADEN IS???"
Three days later:

"It was the strangest thing. We coulda SWORN we had the guy...hell, we were so sure that we went and told everybody about it...but then, when we finally got there, he was gone. Go figure."
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:49 PM
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44. I smell a book in that subject line!
:)
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cubsfan forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:40 PM
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49. Didn't they try the same sort of stunt a few months ago
when they said one of OBL's "top lieutenant's capture was imminent?" and then casually mentioned a few days later that he "got away?" How very original...

Professor 2
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:52 PM
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45. Bangladesh.
I mentioned that in another thread - an Indian friend, very well-
connected socially and politically, says that "everybody knows"
in her circles that Osama left Pakistan months ago and is in
Bangladesh.

It does make some sense - if he helps out financially, as he did in
Sudan, with roads, or a hospital, or a school, they'd welcome him.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:35 PM
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48. he's probably crashing in the Lincoln bedroom
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:01 AM
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51. Send in the college Republicans, they're fearless....
:eyes:
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:09 AM
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52. Lehman Is A Puling, Ignorant Pup
The idea Bin Laden is in Waziristan, or any other portion of the "Tribal Areas" is carefully nurtured by Musharref because it gains him material U.S. assistance in prosecuting a decades long objective of the Pakistani state, namely extending its authority effectively into those tribal areas that have for generations successfully resisted its central rule.

Bin Laden's haunt is somewhere north and east of Malakand in the Upper Swat valley, on the border between Pakistan and the portion of Kashmir it occuppies. This is the original heartland of anti-Western jihad in the region during the nineteenth century. The principal business of Al Queda in Afghanistan was training militants for the Kashmiri struggle, and in that area, these continue to operate and dominate the scene, with the assistance and cover of the dominant elements of the Pakistani "special servive" bureau. It is a particularly congenial terrain for Bin Laden, and it here he resides....



"Who or why, or which, or what,
"Is the Akond of Swat?
"Is the tall or short, or dark or fair?
"Does he sit on a stool or a sofa or chair, or squat,
The Akond of Swat?"

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:26 AM
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55. Send * & Co. over on January 21 for job retraining
They can practice what they preach and learn new skills for the demanding jobs of today.
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