US wants The Hague terminated

[bemildred]

WASHINGTON D.C. -- Monday – American President George Bush’s administration warns that the work and existence of The Hague Tribunal threatens regional stability in the Balkans.

According to the Washington Times, the US administration is asking The Tribunal’s Chief Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte to bring all remaining cases at The Hague to an end as soon as possible. The US government recommends that all war crimes trials that relate to crimes perpetrated in the former Yugoslavia, be transferred to regional courts, or the giving of amnesty to the accused.

“The US believes that The Tribunal has become not only an undemocratic institution, but also a direct threat to the development of democracy on the territory of the former Yugoslavia. This change means not only a dramatic change in US politics towards The Tribunal, but also, more importantly, a fatal blow to the power and credibility of Carla Del Ponte." the commentary in the daily states.

The article quotes Deputy US Secretary Weapons Control, John Bolton, as saying that there is a great risk that The Tribunal will not solve problems in the Balkans, but rather create new animosity which will lead to increased future tensions.

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[Mizmoon]

1. If they were serious, they would express their displeasure the Repuke way

with carpet bombing.

[CO Liberal]

2. CO Liberal Wants The Bush Administration Terminated

ASAP.

:kick:

[livinbella]

3. That bastard Bolton is involved, I see

Bolton and evil always seem to walk together.

[bemildred]

19. Yup. Lousy toupee and all. nt

[Sporadicus]

4. Of Course the Neocons Want Dissolution of Hague Tribunals

They don't want to end up in the dock themselves!

[phantom power]

26. Same posse that won't join the international criminal court

Anybody else see a theme here...?

[Laelth]

41. That's it.

This is the best proof I've seen that the R's know they're gonna lose. The Hague Tribunal must be disbanded before the entire world, emboldened by the new Kerry administration, demands retribution against the war-criminal Bush regime.

Oh, the joy of that thought ... :evilgrin:

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--had to fix some BBCode.

[lark]

52. facists protect facists

They are much the same.

[Caution]

5. Bush wants the Hague ended because he's afraid that his first stop in Jan.

after Kerry is inaugurated.

[UpInArms]

18. my first thought too, Caution

and their guilty consciences must be eating them alive.

They know that they stand to be found guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity as soon as they are thrown out of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and the tea leaves are telling them of their doom.

[Benhurst]

6. Yeah, sure. I'm sure Charles Manson would like the California

criminal justice system terminated, too.

[Lerkfish]

13. oops...great minds...

I had tabbed this thread in my browser and missed several subsequent posts...you guys are fast!

kudos to the first person to say what I was thinking.

[ozymandius]

7. Feeling some heat?

If we decide to become good neighbors with the rest of the world, might Bush fear retribution for the horrible things he's done?

and then there's this:
According to the Washington Times, the US administration is asking The Tribunal’s Chief Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte to bring all remaining cases at The Hague to an end as soon as possible. The US government recommends that all war crimes trials that relate to crimes perpetrated in the former Yugoslavia, be transferred to regional courts, or the giving of amnesty to the accused.

Jeez, what an asshole. He's like some one-trick pony. It sounds like he's angling for some international translation of his state's rights stance whenever confronted with uncomfortable subjects.

[xxqqqzme]

8. oh, yea, US administration is

SOOOOOO worried about creating new animosities.

'...means not only a dramatic change in US politics towards The Tribunal...'

The only policy change would B if they supported the tribunal

[displacedtexan]

9. I smell BushCo fear.

Why else would the US seek an end to an organization whose sole mission is to protect and defend against war crimes?

History of the Hague Tribunal


1919

Article 227 Treaty of Versailles proposes Commission on the Responsibility of the Authors of the War and on Enforcement of Penalties.

1920

Assembly of League of Nations rejects idea of High Court of International Justice as "premature".

1937

League of Nations signed Convention for International Criminal Court to try terrorist offences. Never became law.

1945

Nuremberg Tribunal.

1946

Tokyo Tribunal.

1948

UN asks International Law Commission to study a Criminal Chamber of the International Court of Justice.

1989

UN asks the ILC to again study idea of International Criminal Court.

1993

ILC begins work.

June 1991

Croatia and Slovenia secede from Yugoslavia. War begins.

April 1992

Bosnian war starts following referendum on independence. 100,000 to 200,000 killed in 4 years.

October 1992

UN Resolution 780 proposes creation of tribunal.

February 1993

UN Resolution 808 creates the tribunal.

May 1993

International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia set up.

April 1994

Genocide in Rwanda kills 500,000 to 1 million Tutsis killed.

November 1995

Dayton Peace Agreement ends Bosnia and Croatia wars.

May 1997

First ICTY conviction: Dusan Tadic, Serb former detention camp guard.

July 1997

NATO commandos launch first arrest raid against Tribunal indictee.

November 1997

First sighting of guerrillas of Kosovo Liberation Army.

March 1998

68 Ethnic Albanians die at Prekaz, Kosovo, in attack by Serbian security forces. Guerrilla war spreads across province.

March 1999

NATO begins bombing Serbia. 860,000 Ethnic Albanians removed from Kosovo by Serbian security forces.

May 27 1999

ICTY indicts Slobodan Milosevic for Crimes Against Humanity.

October 2000

Milosevic loses Yugoslav presidential election.

June 2001

Milosevic arrested by Serbian police. Handed over to NATO and flown to ICTY.

February 2002

Milosevic trial begins.

[Gman]

20. March 2003

The Unites States launches an unprovoked attack on Iraq killing thousands of innocent civilians.

[Bluebear]

10. Gettin' a little hot for ya, Georgie?

[Zerex71]

11. They're just worried they'll be (rightly) charged with war crimes.

[Lerkfish]

12. hmmmm...in other news, the James Gang moves to remove Marshalls...

and Manson Family asks for prosecutors and police to be disbanded.

[KoKo]

14. Wanna bet they have plans to withdraw US from United Nations if they

win? It's always been their plan...Repugs have salivated over it for years. And, that will be the next step...IF they win.

[A Simple Game]

44. I hadn't thought of that.

Yes I would bet that is their plan.

No more black helicopters going over my house each night?

[Zorra]

15. Don't worry neocons - "Nuremberg II: The Sequel" - is coming to theaters

near you in 2006, and it will be all about your trials and imprisonment for war crimes.
:toast:

[undergroundpanther]

21. Tyrant!

Bush is a friggin tyrant!
A criminal a bully a menace to humanity.
IMHO Bush needs to be frogmarched into the Hague along with all his corporate neocon henchmen and associates. If that is most of the military industrial complex of America I say Good riddance to bad people than. Maybe when all these rich sociopath manipulating,corrupt bastard criminals are exposed to public scrutiny of their secret deals and deeds we the people who are not abusers of power and wealth can achieve some real equality in this country and move the world twords a change of heart,twords peace..It can happen with the profit mongering staussian sociopaths kept away from power.
I think the Hague needs to maybe issue a warrant? I dunno if they can do that.
How does call up a powerful criminal to face charges for war crimes happen? Kissinger is a wanted war Criminal who finds his haven in OUR government. I think Bush has got some 'splainin' to do.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

24. Brussels Tribunal

www.brusselstribunal.org

www.votetoimpeach.org

Frogmarched in chains, I would pay big dollars to be there.

Many war criminals and former (present?) felons are in our government, especially right now. Check out Poindexter... of Iran Contra fame... who was/is in charge of the Total Information Awareness System... must sort of makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/chap_03.htm
Poindexter, Lt. Col. Oliver North and McFarlane were the three individuals Attorney General Edwin Meese III identified on November 25, 1986, as knowledgeable of the diversion. Poindexter's supervision of North and his own participation in the Iran and contra operations were early focuses of Independent Counsel's investigation.

As in the case against North, criminal evidence against Poindexter had to be gathered quickly before he was compelled to testify on Capitol Hill in the summer of 1987 under a grant of limited immunity. Otherwise, the prosecution of Poindexter was likely to be challenged on the grounds that it was derived from or in some way influenced by his immunized congressional testimony.

[sweetheart]

57. imprisonment? I vote for the gallows.

I'm not totally against the death penalty for war crimes and
high crimes against the constitution.

Bush should hang along with the rest of that lot for conspiracy
to wage aggressive war, just like hitler's gang was sent to the
noose.

Yes indeed, i'll toast when they hang.

:toast:

[smirkymonkey]

16. Hah! That's as good as a confession in my book!

Bastard's goin' down!

How obvious can he be?

[MasonJar]

17. And their tribunals?

[IChing]

22. UN is a terrorist organization

I heard this this morning on cnn fn
on money talk said the un is a terrorist organization
agaist investors........so the hague and the un.
who is the real terrorist?

[kskiska]

23. The Hague never seemed to be a problem to the U.S.

until the squatter and his cohorts moved into the White House.

[Demeter]

25. We're Going To Need Dozens Of Hagues

so that each hard-working member of the Bushco gets his and her right to a speedy trial satisfied.

[Chicago Democrat]

28. Hard labor... plus restitution...

Sell off the "ranch" and make Bush a large Fat Gang Leader's bitch.

[hyphenate]

27. Excuse my language, but

why can't this administration stay the fuck out of the business of other countries?

[TexasChick]

49. I too second that question..it's not like we are hated enough! n/t

[PROGRESSIVE1]

29. Again we see Bushler trying to be a World Dictator. You know....

Dictators do not like Courts of Law because they can be tried and convicted in them!

[Eugene]

30. The original Moonie Times article is mostly triumphalist ranting

about the failures of globalism.

http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20041023-105636-4172r.htm

This would be a big, unilateral shift in policy.
I would believe this more readily if one of those
senior State Dept. officials went on the record.

[genius]

31. Bush is afraid they'll get him next. Bush & Millosevic, two of a kind

[Minstrel Boy]

32. Like Fallujah?

Unchecked, one day the hubris of these lunatics will bring about one terrible fall for America.

[AndyTiedye]

33. It Gives Bush and the PNAC Gang Nightmares

a prison that even a pResidential pardon can't get them out of

[scottxyz]

34. Bush is afraid of the Hague because it threatens to put him in jail...

...for his war crimes (violation of the Geneva Convention, for example).

[IconoclastIlene]

51. damn straight!!!

with Cheney and Rummy and Condie at his side.

[MisterP]

35. one Repub is arguing that Milosevic's actions are justified

because Bosnians are dirty Muslimturrsts

[Judi Lynn]

36. Wonder if this also means they seriously fear they are losing the election

and that this may be their last shot at saving themselves before President Kerry is sworn in.

If you can read "panic" here, and as long as no one takes them seriously, this could be interesting!

[vs the introvore]

37. so why are we sending schwarzenegger after alex haig?

Terminator IV- chronolocked.

[PatGund]

38. More than likely...

More than likely they're just worried that they may find themselves in the dock there after Jan. 2005....

[demgrrrll]

39. Bush blurted something out about war crimes during the debate.

The comment was discussed on this board or another board as usual I can't remember but I do remember that he made a comment about war crimes. The comment was out of context and seemed out of place. I would venture to guess that he has had at least a passing thought about the prospect of being tried. I say The Hague, In Chains, Tout de Suite! A grrrl can dream can't she?

[tom_paine]

40. If I didn't see it with my own eyes I wouldn't believe it!

We are now OFFICIALLY on the side of Milosevic...and Hitler.

[AntiFascist]

46. I'm genuinely afraid for what will happen to this country if....

Bush gets reelected. I have the feeling that the rest of the world is holding back, waiting for us to come to the right decision.

[Dem2theMax]

42. Hahahahahaha. And I see most people here thought the

exact same thing I did upon seeing the thread title.

Of COURSE * wants the Hague to go bye-bye. Oh, this is just too perfect. Why in the world would he want this other than the fact that he doesn't want his own trial to be there? LMAO!

[nodehopper]

56. kick

[CBHagman]

43. Just the usual MORAL TIN EAR in the GOP

The same people who brought you coup fomenting, dictator-coddling and playing both sides of the Iran-Iraq war now bring you...playing God with massacres and mass rapes!

Bush has the cheek to stand up at podiums and intone piously about how badly the Taliban treated women and how there were rape rooms in Saddam's Iraq. Then this (very bad word) moral midget's administration wants an abrupt end to war crimes tribunals? Have they no shame?

Yet another proof that this administration has zero credibility when it comes to human rights.

[leftofthedial]

45. and fast!

Before Nov 2!

[ydya]

47. I can't wait for the Big Dog to become UN Secy Genl and

go kenstarr on Bushco's asses. Only this time the inquisition will be justified. Payback's a bitch, aint it?

[struggle4progress]

48. kick for Bushistas supporting genocide

:kick:

[nonconformist]

50. Uh, why isn't this getting any attention?

If it is I'm not hearing about it, anyway.

We want to terminate The Hague. This is huge.

[xdk999]

53. Carla del Ponte is one tough girl...

...when she was sent to the Hague, quite a few people in switzerland were more than happy about it - delPonte sure prosecuted everybody (mafia, US administration, lebanese-connection, the swiss government, agents of all colors) in a huge scandal dating about 15 years back, when she started her career.

done that, she went on to disturb the mafia a little more, regardless of obvious personal risks. She is heavely bodyguarded since literaly ever.
The mafia (along with many other 'mafias') always had a save heaven in switzerland for classic cigarette smuggling long ago, then money laundering, drugs, (but mostly money laundering, i guess, after all its swiss banks lol) until delPonte came along. it escalated quite a bit and when they killed judge Falcone, THE italian mafia prosecuter, with a bomb, it was communicated that she might be next.

the point is - if there is a tough judge to be afraid of, it is carla delPonte!!!

imo b* being in the hague will never happen, but it's good to know that IF it ever happens, there is good old carla delPonte right there waiting for his sorry a*. she wont miss him, lol!!! they had scetches on tv a few years back, showing delPonte as a domina in black leather etc, small lips, whip, trashing politicians. or delPonte having the pope arrested and stuff like that:)

i am sure delPonte delivered a straight cheney-u in reply to this silly request.

besides, 'The Tribunal has become not only an undemocratic institution', imo, a court has not that much to do with democracy, looking at separation of powers principle. the same goes for 'but also a direct threat to the development of democracy'.

and yes...kick!!!

cheers folks, good luck!

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lol no sigline yet folks

[coreystone]

54. I Believe that Powell admitted using "Ambien".....

for "sleep disorder" problems. What sort of "meds" does anyone think are being passed around for the "around the clock" coverage???


:dem:

[allalone]

55. because they are afraid

they will be tried there.