Bush On Homosexuality And Same Sex Marriage

[ruggerson]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=193746&page=1

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"I view the definition of marriage difference from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights. And I strongly believe that marriage ought to be defined as between, a union between a man and a woman," Bush said. "Now, having said that, states ought to be able to have the right to pass … laws that enable people to you know, be able to have rights, like others."

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Bush just screwed that one up bigtime. The hardcore Christian rightwing HATE the idea of civil union laws just as much as gay marriage. They call it gay marriage in everything but name. Bush may have just lost a HUGE CHUNK of hardcore evangelicals by trying to play this both ways. (so to speak). :)

[Inland]

1. Absolutelty right, his base defines itself by being anti all gay rights

[Sydnie]

6. truth be told they are just plain anti-gay! n/t

[aquart]

8. This is a moment of great sweetness.

Even his bigotry is hypocritical.

[Liberal Veteran]

2. Here W-cowardtail...Hopping down the campaign trail...

....flippity-floppity, until Election day!

[wtmusic]

3. He's throwing boxes overboard

trying to stay afloat *blub, blub*

[NoodleBoy]

4. one more time...

the FMA had language in it barring civil unions for gays... I think the term was something like "all legal equivalents" to marriage.

[fdr_hst_fan]

5. What's the change?

Bush screws up ALL the time!

[Hokie]

7. Without his earphone Chimpy is pathetic

The war on terror is up in the air and now this. Watch how fast they spin this to say what he really meant was ...

[TwentyFive]

9. Flip-Flopper - he was against them in July!

Internal repug polls must show * losing.

[mom cat]

15. He must be swayed by the polls!

[ignatius 2]

21. Damned right he was against them to the point of wanting to change the

costitution to outlaw gay marriage. This man is an embarrassment to all of humanity.

[natrat]

10. why the fuck should i care if 2 people

want to get married---i dont believe in his religion and he obviously uses it incorectly anyway-what a douche! that guy is like satan and that fat porky pig looking devil rove

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

11. I voted NO on the AR marriage amendment today

because I think marriage is basically a contract between two individuals, period. Doesn't matter to me what sex they are.

[Rockholm]

14. Thank you!

[TwentyFive]

18. Yes - It's bigotry to deny same-sex couples the same rights as every else

[Dulcinea]

41. I did the same yesterday in GA.

I agree with that assessment, plus what about gay/lesbian couples who own property together or have kids? They need some sort of legal protection.

[xxqqqzme]

45. Xactly - that's why

U don't go 2 a minister 2 get a divorce!

[deadparrot]

12. Well, we can trumpet this and laugh about it all we want...

but the media is too busy fawning at *'s altar to mention this little mishap.

[Toucano]

13. That's the same thing he told Larry King

last month.

In fact he said if states want to give rights to same-sex couples, that's "great".

on edit:

exact quote and link

"If states choose to do that, in other words, if they want to provide legal protections for gays, that's great. That's fine."

http://www.thenationaldebate.com/other/LKLBush.htm

[VegasWolf]

16. Chimpy must not have had his backpack on for this one.

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

[mzmolly]

17. AHHH, that's HOWARD DEAN'S POSITION !!!

John Kerry's position!

John Edwards position!

and then some ...

Bush is a leftist looney! :eyes:

[fugue]

19. Check out the new sig!

It happens to be appropriate for this particular thread. ^_^

[Amigust]

20. Laura: people should/want to talk about it.

Right, as long as it provides a social wedge to scare up more bigotry votes.

[queerart]

22. I Wonder..................

If the LCR-ers can feel Bush's wet nose in their ass for that vote?

Never fear.... The "Loggers" will deliver, no matter what Queer Quacking they do in public about not supporting Bush in the election!

[Supersedeas]

23. where is the Media on the flip-flop message???

[olddad56]

24. interesting article that demonstrates a point...

This article in a Sacramento free weekly publication demonstrates a flaw in the argument that same sex marriages violate the sanctity of marriage. The author in the story finds a guy on the street, who just got out of jail, who will marry her if she pays him $5. The state has no problem with it. I found the article amusing,informative, and well written.

http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2004-10-21/essay.asp

[WhereIsMyFreedom]

25. Bush just claimed that equality is up to the states

Bush said. "Now, having said that, states ought to be able to have the right to pass … laws that enable people to you know, be able to have rights, like others."

So Bush believes that it is OK for the Federal Government to pass laws giving some people certain rights, and leave it up to the states to pass laws giving the rest of the people equal rights. Somebody explain to me how this is different than the pro-slavery view? We reword the Bill of Rights to only apply to white folks, and leave it up to the states to grant blacks, Hispanics, etc... those same rights. Why do I think that Bush would actually support that, as well as his "Base".

[PartyPooper]

26. I want to see Hormel debate Ashe!

:evilgrin:

[Bluebear]

27. FLIP FLOP!!!

[sr_pacifica]

28. This won't hurt him.

The operative phrase is, "marriage ought to be defined as between, a union between a man and a woman." Knowing he supports a constitutional amendment to forbid any other definition of marriage, the Christian Right and fundamentalists know in their hearts that he's their man.

[Carolab]

29. "...to have rights, like others."

WHAT rights? DEFINE "rights".

[GRLMGC]

30. Flip-fucking-flop

Bush needs to shut the hell up. He's giving the Kerry campaign so much ammo. On second thought, let him talk!

[Voltaire99]

31. "Difference"?

Have reporters stopped casting the Idiot-In-Chief's mumblings into English for him?

[Supersedeas]

39. "legal definition" is different from "legal arrangement" HOW SO MR. PRES?

When will the MEDIA ask the question?

[Moderator]

32. Kick

:kick:

[DeepModem Mom]

33. NYT article from today, 10/26, "Bush Says His Party Is Wrong...

to Oppose Civil Unions," posted, and locked as duplicate, with discussion --

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics/campaign/26gay.html

[JusticeForAll]

34. The other topic should have been left open

Its headline better defines the actual news involved. :(

[maddezmom]

38. other DU link:Bush Says His Party Is Wrong to Oppose Gay Civil Unions

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=932904&mesg_id=932904

Just so everyone can read the comments posted. :)

[JusticeForAll]

40. looks like someone else agrees.

unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-26-04 03:22 PM
Response to Original message

6. The headline in the NY Times is priceless

Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 03:23 PM by unfrigginreal
I wish a thread with that headline could stay open in LBN because it's much more useful to us than 'Bush On Homosexuality And Same Sex Marriage'.

[JerseygirlCT]

35. "be able to have rights, like others"...

Nice idea. Maybe he ought to try it.

[Moderator]

36. Kick

:kick:

[Neshanic]

37. Look over there! It's a Rockefeller republican..... Assclown.

[wiggs]

42. Bush stance belies losing hand

So far in the last two months of the campaign, WH and RNC comments have all been geared toward energizing and turning out the vote among his base. The center has been ignored.

This comment has to mean that they are realizing the base is not enough. This is clearly a desparate appeal to the center. Hopefully all in the center can see how phony it is and hopefully those to the right will be disappointed at the pandering. I guess Bush can always tell those on the right that the Lord told him that civil unions are OK.

[dansolo]

43. I guess they are giving up on the religious black voters

The premise that Bush was going to gain a lot of black votes this time around was entirely predicated on the belief that many black pastors would encourage people to vote for Bush because of his position on gay marriage. I can't see the evangelicals going for this at all. Bush has just alienated his base.

[Zero Gravitas]

44. DESPERATION

A last minute appeal to moderate voters because he knows they can't get enough fundies and assorted haters to offset the huge pro-Kerry/anti-Bush groundswell.

Get lost George... at least now you can sell your fake ranch as you won't need to pretend to work on it anymore.

[PurityOfEssence]

47. Ah, the smell of fear

It always smells worse from a puffed-out, strutting megamale.

I'd call it pandering, but that would denigrate all the decent panderers out there.

[scarface2004]

46. what about a boy and his box turtle

box turtles have rights too dammit!!!

[Neshanic]

48. Too late to do the "Hokey Pokey" Chimpy. Your dance card is full.

You have to dance wit the ones that brung ya!