BREAKING Bin Laden Speaking NOW CNN , Thread II

[maveric]

[hadrianswall]

1. very bad news for kerry

This is extremely unfortunate news for kerry. people rally round Bush when threat level is raised or the attention turns again to iraq.

yes, the "logical analysis" would suggest it is bad for bush... people will put 2 and 2 together and question why OBL is still alive, etc. but that type of logical analysis is not what most people are going to do. that connect-the-dots thinking isn't what americans are famous for, after all. rather, they will simply see this as a terrorist and we want our daddy, bushy boy, to protect us.

[Corgigal]

2. OH yeah

Like Bush did ONE damn thing right the 1st time. Fuck that.

[grasswire]

3. yo daddy, pal

Not mine. Never in a million years can I conceive of Bush as a father image. Petulant, spoiled, incompetent. No way.

I think it will remind people that Bush failed to nail Osama when he had the chance to do so.

[kayell]

4. Oh yeah, right *huge eye roll* Remember *s own words on Osama

"I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him." Press Conference, 3/13/02

[DS1]

56. I made one just for these situations *grin*

[kayell]

63. Oooooh, I like it. That's just about the right size.

[NotSoSure]

5. Dick Morris said it would be like this. He said Kerry would win if

people felt safe at the polls on Nov.2.

[maddezmom]

who gives a hoot, what DICK Morris has to say

:shrug:

[NotSoSure]

30. don't get me wrong...Morris said that Hillary would never be Sen.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

17. So, why would more GOPers and less Dems go to the polls under....

....Morris' "theory"?

Come on...tell me the truth...is Morris sucking toes for political inspiration now?

[goodhue]

8. don't think so

The political battle is now being fought on security and Bush is loosing. Last few days have been a decided turn against Bush.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. Sorry, but OBL thumbing his nose at El Chimpo the Magnifico...

...is NOT bad for Kerry.

Where do you guys get this stuff? Is there a Rove-Mart in your neighborhood?

[maddezmom]

21. MLD

lots of pre-election unmasking going on today, huh? :)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. I'll say! Where's my can of Raid?

[maddezmom]

26. I suppose an early Halloween present

from freeperland. ;)

[txindy]

45. I know! Unable to control themselves, just like their Master.

;)

[DS1]

10. try not to get pushed down while standing in front of the koolaid stand

:eyes:

[cubsfan forever]

43. LOL! n/t

[Carolab]

11. The only way this is bad for Kerry

is if you ignore the logic of what the tape is saying:

That Bush lied to us and is still lying to us, failed to protect us, is trying to rob us of our freedom (like Khomeini in Iran), and that our security is up to US--by demanding as citizens a shift in our foreign policy, which any logical person would see is NOT possible under Bush. He is also saying that they want to be free, that they want their country back, which is what we want as well.

[Greyhawk]

18. Only one problem...

The American people are going to look at the man who admits on tape that he arrange 9/11 and believe him?

There's a natural "oh yeah MF?" attitude that a lot of people who might have voted in OH based on economic issues, who will say "I'm supposed to believe OBL?" These people don't know what we know about *... They're not gonna like the top terrorist in the world slamming our president, no matter how bad we think he is...

[txindy]

52. Ah, you obviously didn't see the tape.

You'll see. Junior is toast. Burnt toast. People will rush to the polls to vote to remove OBL's object of ridicule NOT rally around him.

[Greyhawk]

71. I've heard Kerry's response

Postscript: (after his comments) I think Kerry has responded well to the OBL issue. I don't think it can hurt Kerry after all. He came across as very strong on terrorism and specifically that he would kill OBL and that OBL was a barbarian who needed to be killed.

[sunnybrook]

94. if you ignore the logic

American voters easily ignore logic, unfortunately.

[ilovenicepeople]

108. I like to call that Flawgic

[BUSHOUT]

12. BU###IT!! Bush has been a miserable failure in the fight against

Al Qaeda.

This isn't 9/11 anymore, sorry pal. Americans can now see for themselves how badly Bush has F'd things up.

Kerry has been telling you ALL ALONG Bush took his eye off the ball, and this proves he was right.

If you don't think after all the times Kerry has told America that he would have gotten Bin Laden when he was trapped won't resonate...but will instead be a complicated "logical analysis" that most people won't do, you've been sniffing cave fumes too long!

Let me connect the one dot for you: Bush has FAILED.

I wonder if Bin Laden got his hands on any of that HMX......ya think?
:evilfrown: :mad:

[NoBorders]

14. or they will realize daddy failed...

bad wolf still out there and daddy didn't protect us

[Misunderestimator]

25. Oh Please.... Please go away!

[hangloose]

32. negative, don't think so

When you evaluate the current situation, how can anyone feel safer knowing Bush is at the helm? After all he didn’t protect us the first time. He was the CEO of a corporation they would have booted his ass three years ago. Unfortunately our system is a bit slower. So I say so what UBL (if that’s who he is) sent us a message, screw’em. Vote Kerry in a give him a chance they no way in hell he could do any worse. Comment?

[ima_sinnic]

104. welcome to DU, hangloose!

yes, my sentiments exactly.

[cubsfan forever]

33. Yes, lot's and lot's of unmasking going

on here at DU today.

Professor 2

[The Minus World]

35. This will change very little.

Bush supporters: "*grunt* Bush tough *grunt* on terror, kick bin Laden in ass now, not Kerry. Vote Bush to kick ass. *grunt*"

Kerry supporters: "Isn't this evidence that bin Laden is still at large? How does this exemplify anything but Bush's incompetence in this misguided 'War on Terror'."

Undecideds: "WTF? This is a political ploy, and it's obvious that politicians are behind the timing."

[cubsfan forever]

77. You hit the nail on the head!

I posted a similar response somewhere else, but it wasn't nearly as succinct and powerful as yours. Thank you!

Professor 2

[txindy]

44. HA! Did you see the same tape I saw? Didn't think so.

I watched every moment and I agree (never thought I'd say this) with Fox News -- OBL endorsed B*sh. Right after slamming him through the Earth's crust.

[cubsfan forever]

Did someone at Faux really say that? Wow. n/t

Professor 2

[Rebellious Republican]

48. Playing devils advocate are we hadrian? N/T

[kori]

50. Not so sure about that

Bin Laden looked real winded from all that running and hiding from Bush. Looked like that was a pretty clean cave with a really nice podium. Of course, we also know what Tommy Franks told Senator Graham:
ON 2/19/02 Senator Graham met with General Franks at MacDill in Tampa. General Franks told Senator Graham "Senator we are not engaged in a war in Afghanistan. Military and Intelligence personnel are being redeployed to prepare for an action in Iraq." The Predators are being relocated. What we are doing is a manhunt." Intelligence Matters, page 125.

SO you really think the American people are real happy how Bush has hunted Osama?

[RetroLounge]

58. Bullshit 7 post newbie

:wtf:

RL

[Name removed]

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[DS1]

68. Fuck off. You had 7 posts at one point

Jump on people for content, not a miserable little number.

[AntiFascist]

79. The timing of this happening together with the Kerry eagle....

commercial may be fortuitous.

[Jackpine Radical]

89. Do yo0u mean fortunate?

Fortuitous just means coincidental.

[AntiFascist]

96. I was trying to stress that it was not planned or foreseen....

to come out at the time of OBL's tape, but it certainly is relevant!

[goforit]

97. I guess Repuglicans like you want to live w/ this schmuck a long time, eh?

[goforit]

98. Trick or treat...HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!..........DREAM ON *

[Tight_rope]

109. The way I see it...is it's bad news for Bush* for not get OBL!

[maddezmom]

6. chimp going to comment on OBL shortly

wonder if he'll tell us not to worry about that guy... :shrug:

[GiovanniC]

27. Chimpy Talking About bin Laden?

So soon after the video is released?

That can only mean one of two things... he will not have had an adequate amount of preparation time, and he will blow this big time.

OR

They've known this tape was coming out for a while now and have been preparing Bushie for days or even weeks.

[maddezmom]

40. either way, he'll fuck up

[Jack The Tab]

7. Nice try.

Yes, Bush has done such a good job protecting us from terrorists. We've only lost over 1,000 soldiers to terrorists in Iraq. That's what I call success!!!!

[Syxx]

20. If I was the DNC

I would just put a still from the video, and roll in the backround the tape of him and "There's a sign in the Old West" spiel.

I don't think this is bad for Kerry, either. All it does is remind America of Bush's failure to do anything about Bin Laden.

[prolesunited]

13. First I've heard of it

Did he urge the everyone to vote for Kerry?

[LisaL]

16. Nope. Osama didn't endorse neither Bush nor Kerry.

[hangloose]

15. Binney looking well that KBR food seems to be agreeing with him

This is all soooo fatiguing, why don’t the Bushies give it a rest, terror, terror, terror it kinda reminds me of the 1950’s WWII movie Tora Tora Tora. I yes it simple if I was to believe Binney did it then that would let Georgie off the hook and I just can’t see doing that.

[Cyrix]

19. To the right wing "they hate our way of life" argument

Although "our way of life" may be rejected (possibly violently) WITHIN the middle east the flaw of this right wing argument is that MORE THAN LIKELY if we left them alone they would NOT desire to harm us for "our way of life".

Unfortunately bin laden is right on one point - this issue isn't going to be resolved by bush or kerry, but our overall foreign policy. Neither bush nor kerry will be able to stop all terrorist acts here or abroad. Neither of them are gods.

In order to stop terrorism we will need to make reforms that NEVER get talked about in the media. One thing that needs to be done is eliminate our need for oil as much as possible. That involves a whole list of things to do by its self.

We also need to adopt a foreign policy that doesn't revolve around the idea of bringing democracy at the point of a gun. We should also assist civilian populations. For example, instead of us having iraq "pay us back" with oil funds we should make sure they get those funds AND we should provide far more assistance than we have been. Iraq can not get back on its feet on the right wing BS of "paying us back".

It's like putting a 10 million dollar debt on a homeless person who has not a penny. Then, everytime he gets a job, taking his first minimum wage paycheck before (for example) he can invest it in something that will actually allow him to get back on his feet. He'll be at zero dollars for the rest of his life, and he won't ever get near the level of "paying you back". It just doesn't work.

[Zhade]

87. Excellent post. Welcome to DU. Your reasoning skills are appreciated.

NT!

[NastyDiaper]

22. News of UBL demise must be one of those "eggzagerations"

The good news is in Iraq they can issue an APB with an updated description of UBL. Wait. All the troops are in Iraq? :shock:.

[The Minus World]

23. La la la, Connect the Dots

It seems we are being taken for a ride. I am skeptical about not only the timing, but the way in which the story is being presented on CNN, interspersed with the "missing explosives" story and constant references to a "pre-election terrorist attack."

The tape is being analyzed as a potential trigger-inducer for an upcoming terror attack; apparently, OBL's body language may be subtly engineered to convey a message to "sleeper cells" within the U.S.

CNN is focusing less on the political angle, and more on the possibility that this is a wink and nod to terrorists.

My question is: if there is even a slight possibility that the OBL tape may contain gestures giving the green-light for the next big attack, WHY THE HELL is this video being PLASTERED INDISCRIMINATELY all over the NEWS?

Reality is stage-managed, and the producer is heavy-handed indeed.

[zippy890]

28. EXACTLY!!! OCTOBER SUPRISE PER RIGHT WING

[goforit]

99. PROOF the Bin Ladin works for Bush!!!!......Wag the dog repugs!!!

[pdurod1]

103. yep and next the terror level goes up: orange or red??

[txindy]

65. There is NOTHING in the tape about an attack.

OBL says B*sh is incompetent and lazy. He also said, "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al Qaida. Your security is in your own hands. Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked. ..... It never occurred to us that he, the commander in chief of the country, would leave 50,000 citizens in the two towers to face those horrors alone, because he thought listening to a child discussing her goats was more important." http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/international/29WIRE-TRANS.html?oref=login&oref=login

Checkmate, Mr. B*sh.

[Catherine Vincent]

29. Damn! Sure a lot of newbies on here today!

I take it some of you registered a week before the election just to get your foot in the door?

[maddezmom]

37. Welcome to the Masquerade Party!!

Happy Halloween early.... :eyes:

[hangloose]

47. newbie responding

Well you can thank Bush for by newbie-ness. He kicked me right in the ass and now, I’m in the radical center trying to make some small contribution both on line and off line.

[zippy890]

55. This is just what they need

to raise the terror alert, election day becomes chaos because of right wing media hysteria over the OBL tape
election post poned? could happen, the anxious state of the country right now anyway
People freak out and don't vote
Both sides rhetoric escalates,
Rumours, sightings (staged?) of possible terrorists (Azzam the American in the country already--hokey as that is, people believe that shit)
American democratic process next week--I hesitate to speculate further but fear the worse

The saddest thing to me is that I am more afraid of my own government than the terrorists.
This government is capable of anything.

[hangloose]

64. good assessment

All my kidding aside your absolutely right, be afraid of the government, I say "the" versus "our" since "it" doesn’t seem to be within the American fabric any longer. If there is an (un) expected event that will postpone the election. We should all find our way to Washington and meet and the capital building.

[txindy]

74. NOTHING in the tape about an attack.

Any terra alert change would be an obvious political ploy and backfire tremendously.

[steve2470]

31. what I worry about, is that we "intelligent ones" can figure out that

OBL's appearance is BAD for Bush and his total incompetence. I understand that extremely well, and hell, I already voted for President Kerry. However, too many people in this country listen to the Repugs and Karl Rove and buy their crap. I am very sure the Repugs will spin this as "Osama wants John Kerry". Makes no sense, but hell, 99% of what they say makes no sense. And guess what ? X% of the populace will buy it, lock stock and barrel. I pray that percentage does not extend beyond the deluded, intelligence-challenged base that Bush will have even if he molests some little girl on national TV.

[Ediacara]

34. Kerry needs to say just a few things

Osama bin Laden is mocking the United States (he is).

Osama bin Laden is still a free man aparently with plenty of food, medical attention, and laundry facilities (he is).

George W Bush has had three years to catch Osama bin Laden and has utterly failed.

I can't see how this can work in Bush's favor.

I realize that the talking heads may be trying to stear it in Bush's favor in the first 30 minutes, but his statement isn't an endorsement of Bush or Kerry by any means, and with the right message from the DNC, Bush cannot recover from this.

[young_at_heart]

36. Did CNN clear this tape with the FBI or CIA? Motive for them?

A lot of questions here.....and what is CNN's involvement? They are mostly staunch Republican advocates, so what's the story with them?

[wordout]

84. cia@cnn

http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blacktown/20000324cockbsjmus.htm

[coreystone]

38. This lady is looking at the sky blaming it on Michael Moore and..

Kerry!


:crazy:


And, her body language indicated a very concerned (worried ???) spokesperson for Bush!

Still ...... :crazy:

[Tesibria]

42. CNN -- Bush Foreign Policy Advisor (i.e., "this lady")

... saying

"Michael Moore giving aid and comfort to the enemy."


Of course -- that was in response to Wolf's statement re: "sounds like he saw Michael Moore's movie"

[d_b]

39. Bin Laden mentioned the pet Goat

and now a Bush advisor on Blitzer said something to the effect of "It's good to see Michael Moore abetting the enemy". Yes, it's Moore's fault that Bush sat there like a deer in headlights.


What a crock of shit.

[AzDar]

59. I would, however, call handing them 380 tons of high-tier explosives...

aiding and abetting the enemy.

[d_b]

66. Indeed.

[The Minus World]

41. More Paint is Chipping Off the Facade.

Wolf Blitzer is interviewing a lady from the Bush campaign.

She is incredibly defensive, and her face is twisted with contempt. She hasn't been intravenously fed her talking-points yet, so she's personally struggling against the weight of reality pressing down on her.

[steve2470]

46. Transcript Excerpts of OBL, per the New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/international/29WIRE-TRANS.html?oref=login

[coreystone]

49. Any knowledge as to WHEN this tape was "initially" taped?? n/t

[Cyrix]

51. SOB

Bush is going to talk about it soon according to CNN. If this isn't rovian I don't know what is. Looks like rove's october surprise arrived.

[cubsfan forever]

114. Yes, the October Surprise has arrived and

it's going to bury Bunnypants. CNN is the station of choice for those who aren't QUITE as stupid as Faux viewers. Close, though. GOTV.

Professor 2

[guinness4strength]

53. Bin Laden misunderstands the American mind

Bin Laden uses arguments from Moore's F-911 to exemplify that Bush is incompetent(not interrupting the school girl after he heard news of Twin Towers in flames). He critisizes Bush more than Kerry, AS IF THIS WOULD HELP KERRY. What he doesn't realize is the American mind is smart enough to go against whatever an extremist mass-murderer would advocate. He is helping re-elect his nemesis.

[Cyrix]

57. He's helping elect bush

but not because he's his "nemesis". More like his pal.

[roseBudd]

100. OBL is crazy like a fox

[txindy]

62. And they call OBL a lunatic

:eyes: He is, but he's not the only one.

[enigma-e]

111. I do not believe that OBL misunderstands...

... the American mind at all.

The contrary is true. It is his decided will that Bu$h should be re- elected. Another Bush presidency makes it much more easier to instill hatred against America into the Arabic world due to the pseudo- religious and semi- crusade attitude of Dubya.

[steve2470]

54. Al Jazeera Airs Videotape Said to Be of Osama bin Laden

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/international/30osamaCND.html?hp&ex=1099108800&en=3f5c0481d09ad2e3&ei=5094&partner=homepage


Osama bin Laden said for the first time that he ordered the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to a videotape made public today, and he accused President Bush of "misleading the American people'' about the attacks.

He also said that "the reasons to repeat what happened" on 9/11 remain, according to the Web site of the Al Jazeera satellite news network, which obtained the tape.

The videotape is the first featuring the Al Qaeda leader to surface in more than a year, and it comes just four days before the American presidential elections.

In Washington, F.B.I. officials said they believed that the tape was genuine, but that they would not comment on it further until they had conducted further analysis.
<snip>

[txindy]

60. I thought this part was rather important:

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al Qaida. Your security is in your own hands. Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked."

Know anybody who has attacked any countries in the Middle East, lately?

[sattahipdeep]

112. AMERICANS KILL ... not their Presidents.

It is the American people ... who are the killers.

It makes no difference about your political parties, American hero.

Is that the way it works?

[coreystone]

61. Sure! Cut Kerry off when he was saying that he would have taken ...

care of Bin Laden in Tora Bora, rather than...........?????????????????????????????



:argh:

[Algorem]

69. is there a full transcript anywhere?Or aren't we allowed?

[steve2470]

70. MORE transcripts of OBL, per CBS News

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/29/terror/main652373.shtml

<snip>


OSAMA EXCERPTS
Excerpts from the video tape by Osama bin Laden that was broadcast on Al-Jazeera Friday:

"You, the American people, my message to you is about the best way to avoid a new Manhattan, about the war, its reasons and results. I tell you: security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security. If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the hijackers of Sept. 11.

"We fought you because we are free people who want to regain the freedom of our nation. As you undermine our security, we undermine yours."
Bin Laden said the relationship between Bush and his father, the former president, reminded him of many Middle Eastern regimes.

"We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration because it is similar to regimes in our countries in that half of them are ruled by the military and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents. We have a long experience with them ....

<snip>

[Algorem]

why excerpts?where's the whole thing at?

[Mike Niendorff]

72. This IS an attack on our democracy, folks.

This guy HAS to know that ANYTHING he says WILL be taken as an "attempt to influence the election". Given the timing, that CLEARLY is the purpose here. The only question, then, is "what is the anticipated result of this broadcast?".

To answer that question directly : this might as well have been pre-approved by Karl Rove's office, it plays so directly into Bush's campaign strategy. Whether it will work or not, I'm not so sure, but it clearly is Bush's strategy regardless.

Now, ask yourselves : why would bin Laden want to "influence the election" by playing into Bush's campaign strategy?

Short answer: from bin Laden's perspective, Bush is the gift that keeps on giving. He's demolishing our economy, running us into financial ruin, allowing the robber barons to rape and pillage at will, overextending the military and flat-out *handing* bin Laden and his ilk the regional war they're literally *dying* to start.

Make no mistake: this is an attack on our electoral processes, and it is designed to benefit bin Laden's cause -- *hurting the United States*. In this case, the instrument of that harm is intended to be a miserable and incompenent little man by the name of George W. Bush.


MDN

[hangloose]

85. So how should Kerry respond?

[Q]

73. Important paragraph:

"We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration because it is similar to regimes in our countries in that half of them are ruled by the military and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents. We have a long experience with them ....

[txindy]

76. It was aired today by AlJazeera. Apparently, the CIA authenticated it.

Our news channels carried the AlJazeera broadcast.

[steve2470]

75. News article on OBL from Al Jazeera

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/23DAA5DE-7073-4F7A-9109-8C153B41A716.htm

Usama bin Ladin has appeared on Aljazeera television on Friday, threatening new attacks on the United States.

Gesturing at the camera with a finger to stress points, bin Ladin once again took responsibility for the September 11 attacks and said reasons to attack the United States remain.

He also accused US President George Bush of deceiving the American people.

"Despite the fact that we are into the fourth year after September 11, President Bush is still misleading you and hiding the real reason from you, which means that the reasons to repeat what happened remain," bin Ladin said.
<snip>

[steve2470]

78. more Al Jazeera excerpts...

<snip>
In his address just four days ahead of the US presidential election, bin Ladin also said the US administration resembled "corrupt" Arab governments.

Looking healthy

Apparently sitting or standing at a table against a neutral brown background, bin Ladin wore a white head covering and white tunic under a light brown cloak.

Reading from a sheet of paper, his voice was strong and he appeared in fair health.

He accused Bush of reacting slowly to the September 11 attacks, saying: "I never thought that the supreme leader would leave 50,000 of his people in the two towers to face the terrifying events alone at the time they were in need for him."

<snip>

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/23DAA5DE-7073-4F7A-9109-8C153B41A716.htm

[steve2470]

82. more al jazeera......

<snip>

"We decided to destroy towers in America," because "we want to regain the freedom of our nation," bin Ladin said.

Bin Ladin also said the United States considers "killing innocent people including children in Iraq" a legitimate act.

He said the United States has dropped millions of tonnes of bombs on Iraqi children, just for the sake of replacing an old agent with a new one to plunder Iraqi oil wealth.

Bin Ladin said the September 11 attacks was in response to the injustices by the United States.

End of Article.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/23DAA5DE-7073-4F7A-9109-8C153B41A716.htm

[steve2470]

86. key part of OBL, from Reuters

<snip>

I am surprised by you. Despite entering the fourth year after Sept. 11, Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still there to repeat what happened.

"God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers but after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed -- when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. Sixth Fleet.

"In those difficult moments many emotions came over me which are hard to describe, but which produced an overwhelming feeling to reject injustice and a strong determination to punish the unjust.

"As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way (and) to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women.
<snip>

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6664664

[steve2470]

88. OBL bashes Bush here....

<snip>

"He (Bush) adopted despotism and the crushing of freedoms from Arab rulers and called it the Patriot Act under the guise of combating terrorism.....

<snip>

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6664664

[many a good man]

80. Sure it ain't Rove with a fake beard?

Wearin' w's fake Jesus robe? Is it psychology or reverse psychology?

[mbee]

81. The smart American People, excluding the followers of

can't do hard work shrub, can't wait to get Kerry in there. Only an idiot would vote for * at this point and I know there are lots of them out there, but not enough to elect (select - yes, elect - BIG FAT NOOOOO).

[Lone_Star_Dem]

83. Digesting what OBL video means

It was politically motivated due to the date of release. What he was trying to accomplish on the surface appears to be to cause Americans to actually think. I am not sure how this will be taken by Americans since (at least where I live) R's don't think very deeply and D's tend to over analyze. It will play to *'s base and Kerry's also. It will also play to the young college students who are voting for a first time. They will lean more to Kerry after this. I don't think this will push one more redneck, sorry, I mean unenlightened, voter out to the polls then were already planning to. Their votes were already in *'s pocket.

The spin will go both ways. The video was worded as to appear apolitical. This will lesson some of the R's spin in a few areas.

Wow, I don't know what to think.

[tjwash]

92. What's to overanalyze?

Reminding people of Bush's biggest failure won't help him one bit. Spin as they might, the fascist trolls are going down.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

95. Good point

I should have just said analyze.

[maddezmom]

90. did Andrea Koppel on CNN say the Qatar govt tried to stop Al Jazeera

from airing the tape?? Anyone think chimpy knew the contents before anyone knew it was going to hit the air????

[VegasWolf]

91. Here it is! The October surprise! Wasn't Rove supposed to pull

bin laden out of a hat just before the election.
What a bunch of incompetents this admin is!
They are unparalleled for stupidity!!!!

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

[w4rma]

93. It looks like that freak is definitely still alive. Not a priority to Bush

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

[hippiechick]

101. Is this in addition to the one from this afternoon ?

:shrug: I'm so confused !!! :shrug:


:hippie:

[Catherine Vincent]

106. Yes, it's the same.

They had to start a new thread because the first one is almost 200 posts.

[iam]

102. This is good for JFK

It's like the one-armed bandit(obl) giving the finger to David Janssen(the US). It just reminds Americans that bush* failed to get obl. I think the reaction will bring anger, not fear. Anger at dumbya AND obl.

[Lostnote03]

105. WHERE's The Mood Music???

.......

[cosmicone]

107. IMHO this helps Kerry

because Kerry already pointed out in the debates that Bush let Osama go free because of his obsession with Saddam.

If JK was President, OBL would be behind bars and 1100+ soldiers and 100,000+ Iraqis would be alive today.

There would be no "colossal mess" in Iraq and the US would be a respected country around the world.

Period.

[truthisfreedom]

110. FUCK bin laden. he's an asshole. he can't screw us out of our election.

KERRY ALL THE WAY!

[goclark]

113. OBL and the Pet Goat

That is the part I like.

OBL is a dangerous man and he will stop at nothing.

Bush is a dangerous man and the people that pull his strings are dangerous men.

Kerry is a brilliant leader. He is the man for this season in our history.

Kerry must win!