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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:27 PM
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Contractor From Georgia Killed in Iraq
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041030/ap_on_re_us/iraq_contractor_killed&cid=519&ncid=1473

COLUMBUS, Ga. - A former sheriff's deputy who friends said quit his job to join a security consulting firm so he could help out in Iraq (news - web sites) was killed in a car bomb attack, reports said.



Travis Schnoor, 39, a former Army Ranger at Fort Benning, died Wednesday after the vehicle in which he was riding flipped over after hitting an improvised explosive device near Abu Ghraib, about 20 miles west of Baghdad, the Columbus Ledger-Enquirer reported.


Schnoor's wife, Alyce, and 9-year-old son, Tristan, were notified by Muscogee County sheriff's deputies, the newspaper said. Schnoor was a former bomb technician with the department.


In a telephone interview with The Monroe (Wis.) Times, Schnoor's friend John Clements said he had wanted to help out in Iraq, but was too old to go back into the Army. So Schnoor resigned from the sheriff's department and joined Custer Battle of Rhode Island, a security consulting firm, Clements said.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:44 PM
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:05 PM
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4. See, even if you really believe that,
perhaps this isn't the best venue to express it. I for one, totally disown, disavow, and disagree with that.

There are plenty of people who disagree with the war without having dead relatives, and there are plenty who agree with the war, even after relatives have been killed. Killing Americans is not the way to win this argument.

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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:13 PM
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5. NO ONE should DIE, damnit!
What an idiotic comment!
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nine30 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 01:39 AM
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8. Well...
..OK, I didn't mean that literally. I got really pissed when that trucker from Georgia Thomas Hamill, who was very fortunate to have escaped while his buddies got beheaded, came back home and went on FOX News with Rita Cosby and voiced full support for the Presidnet and the War. Thats what made me mad. When would he learn ? After his head rolled off his body ??

Just yesterday I read in the news of a mother who had lost her son in Iraq , who is now even more rabidly anti Kerry than ever,and has a couple of 'johns' in her garden with a sign that reads "Flush the Johns in '04". ?#$%@ . WTF does that mean ?

OK lady I sympathize with you for having lost your son, and I know you are trying to find someone to blame or vent your anger at. But are you soooooooo.. f***ing stupid to be blaming Kerry for that??
If anything, your son would still be alive had Kerry been your Presidnet, you stupid woman !
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:28 PM
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9. It is mind boggling.
:toast:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 10:44 PM
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2. Custer? The Alamo? Iraq 2004
http://hnn.us/articles/4860.html

The men of Custer Battles guard Baghdad's airport, while the men of Blackwater USA -- if still waters run deep, how do blackwaters run, and where do they get these names? -- four of whom were killed and mutilated in Fallujah, provide the fulltime security team of ten guarding our "administrator" in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, and various members of the Iraqi Governing Council. They are part of a new word and world order taking disheveled shape in what may indeed become the "killing fields" of Iraq, an order that we have no reasonable language whatsoever to describe. snip

This is what passes for "security" thinking in America just as companies like Custer Battles, Dyncorp, and Blackwater USA pass for "security firms." Such thinking -- and the language that goes with it -- is part and parcel of the creation of what should perhaps be called a National Insecurity State itself teetering atop an Insecurity Planet. snip

With that in mind, let's consider a few of the key terms that both in government pronouncements and in media coverage of Iraq add up to the bubble language that stands between Americans and a reasonable perception of the world out there:

"Security firms": It's in the nature of human beings, when they take marginal activities and bring them into the mainstream to want to professionalize them and so upgrade their status. Once upon a time, there were scattered "soldiers of fortune" and "mercenaries" in our world, former soldiers or wannabe soldiers who, as in Southern Africa in the 1980s, sold themselves to any bidder and shouldered arms for various, largely right-wing regimes. Now, this seat-of-the-pants mercenary business has become a $100 billion dollar global operation (with the U.S. government as its largest employer) and you can search our press far and wide rarely coming across the terms "mercenary," "soldier of fortune," "hired guns," "rent-a-cops," or anything else that might bring us closer to the tawdry reality of what these so-called security companies are actually selling. The employees of these firms are in turn usually called "contractors" in our press -- which sounds like such an up-and-up, modest, business-like thing to be -- even when they're heavily armed and out in the field fighting Iraqis. Of course, the basic "gap" here lies in the very word "security." You simply can't have a more "secure" world in which such firms can freely make multimillions of dollars by hiring out to the highest -- and most powerful -- bidders. snip

The men of Blackwater and Custer Battles now find themselves at war and, as O'Neill reports, often can't even call on the U.S. military for backup when attacked. As a result, the various, otherwise competitive private outfits in Iraq are beginning to band together -- with their own helicopter support teams and their own intelligence -- to defend themselves more effectively. The Bush administration has for months now been hyping the infiltration of dangerous and unscrupulous "foreign fighters" into Iraq. As it happens they've been right. According to Brookings Institute expert Peter W. Singer, "We're talking somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000 private personnel, and that is expected to rise to 30,000 when the coalition hands over power to Iraqis on 30 June." These men, living in their own Wild West, are, for some Iraqis, "the most hated and humiliating aspect" of an occupation which probably couldn't continue without them.

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:03 PM
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3. Custer Battles a wanna be Halliburton/KBR
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Cleopatra2a Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:38 PM
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10. Tried to recruit step-SIL
My spouse's SIL is a SWAT team member. He participated in the "World SWAT team competition" held at Blackwater training HQ. They won. Anyway, he said they were offered jobs starting at 100K for 1st 6 months. His daughter is 18 months old. He said he would never take that offer.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 12:17 AM
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6. Mercs, the hell with them
they should have thought of their families before becoming mercs.

Sorry for the family, but no sympathy here. Call me a asshole, I don't care. I have no sympathy for a guy that goes to war for personal profit. If they cannot wrap their heads around what they are really doing, then they should think it through.

They have really dishonored what they were when they were in the service. Enough of this "professional" army. We as a country do not need a "professional" army. A army drawing from civilians is what we should have, and I don't mean some "contractors" either when I say civilians. I mean civilians that are conscripted and hate being there. We don't want people that 'love' this kind of work or even feel its their duty and certainly not for profit. They should hate it. So our country doesn't begin to like war.

And we don't want an army thats in a position to suppress political dissent, because that is what is next. Especially with an Army of mercs ready to contract out. But then they won't be army, they will contract out to the police, yes they will be 'special' police.

We the people have become lazy in depending on others to defend us. Whats next, letting the army build our dams, roads, bridges, feed us, give us medical care? If there is a war to fight, we the people should fight it. And if the war is not worth fighting, then don't let them peckerwoods in state and congress push us into it.

How long have we had a "standing army". Does anybody alive remember when we haven't been fighting some war or another. Does anybody alive remember when we didn't have a "standing army". Is anybody even aware that we as a country are not supposed to have a "standing army" for 65 years. Thats right, 65 years our government has been telling us we have an urgent need for "standing armies". And what has been the cost of this 65 years of having a "standing army". Why the cost is practically our full savings in what we have produced these last 65 years. Yes, it have been sucked right out, with direct and hidden taxes to pay for this "Standing army" that protects the interests of international and domestic corporations. Certianly not the interests of we the people. The ultimate cost will be our very own freedom. Just like the economic profit from our production has been sucked out, our freedom is next.

Now we have a bunch of mercs fighting wars for us. Politicians love using mers, much more pork that way.

Want to see the problem, look in the mirror. I doubt the military has any love for civilians, they know whats going on. How long you think its gonna take until the military sees us civilians as the problem.

OK, rant over.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 01:29 AM
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7. Solid post.
This, I think, is a superb point:

A army drawing from civilians is what we should have, and I don't mean some "contractors" either when I say civilians. I mean civilians that are conscripted and hate being there. We don't want people that 'love' this kind of work or even feel its their duty and certainly not for profit. They should hate it. So our country doesn't begin to like war.

That is precisely the kind of army that would curtail this empire's worst tendencies. The so-called "volunteer" army allows Republicans and Democrats alike to mouth silly platitudes about "supporting the troops" while fobbing the dirty work off on the lower classes.

By contrast, as the ludicrously-paid mercs demonstrate, there is a lot of money to be made by freelance killers. No free society should tolerate that being done in its name and with its tax dollars.
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 02:40 PM
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11. great.
Edited on Sat Oct-30-04 02:41 PM by HR_Pufnstuf


How can u "re-build" Iraq when it was never built to begin with?
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