No justification for insurgency in Iraq: Powell

[Domitan]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-10/31/content_2159522.htm

In an interview with Egypt's Nile TV aired on Saturday, Powell said that Iraq's interim government is recognized by the United Nations and attacks against it lacks legitimacy.

"They (insurgents) are resisting the interim government that has been put in place with the support of the United Nations SecurityCouncil, a Security Council resolution," he said.

"What legitimacy can they have? Attacking the interim government that enjoys the benefit of the UN resolution? " he asked. The US-led coalitions forces, which invaded Iraq in March 2003,have been deemed by Iraqi militants as an occupation power. Insurgents have carried out bombings and kidnappings to drive themout of Iraq.

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As horrid as the conflict is from both sides, I'd like to see what the blinkered Powell has to say to the slain ones' family members who join the insurgency to avenge their family honour. I'd like to see how resolute Powell could be if it was his family.

[Sagan]

1. I'm sure the insurgents will go home now...

I mean, come on... Powell himself, well noted for telling nothing but the truth, has said they lack legitimacy.

*WHEW* Glad this Iraq insurgency thing is over. It was getting pretty nasty.

[young_at_heart]

5. Powell has demonstrated truth-telling over and over

And we know what a powerful Sec. of State he is....Bush trusts him on everything!

[VegasWolf]

8. LOL. "insurgents will go home now, wait, they are home!"

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

[Inland]

32. It was just a matter of somebody remembering to tell the insurgents

that we had won.

[Cocoa]

2. at least they speak Arabic

and many of them are from Iraq, rather than from West Virginia and New Mexico, etc.

[ClintonTyree]

3. A hand picked puppet government..............

and their country being occupied by aggressors that are killing civilians left and right..........hmmmmmm, let's see. Maybe that's why their doing it Powell. Id like to see how he'd react in the same situation in our country?

[IChing]

4. Whaaaat? 100,000 dead

colon I guess is reading his own spin,

[tlcandie]

6. Kind of like the US determined that the UN was irrelevant when

we invaded Iraq? :shrug:

[Domitan]

7. One more reason

why the Powells need to be "disempowelled" from their positions of power.

[Liberal Veteran]

9. No justification for insurgency in the American Colonies: King George III

:eyes:

[HawkerHurricane]

11. "No justification for insurgency in non Vichy France: Herman Georing"

"No justification for insurgency in the Ukraine: Josef Stalin"

Works on so many levels

[bubbismith]

28. LOL - Sweet! nt

[William Seger]

30. "Liberal democracy" at gun-point

"Conservatives" claim to be super patriots who uphold the "traditional values" of the Founding Fathers, when in fact very few of them understand the most fundamental principle of the founders' theory of government: A government derives "just" powers only from the consent of the governed. "Conservatives" didn't learn anything from the failed attempt to install by force a "liberal democracy" in Vietnam, and they still haven't learned anything from Iraq.

The most important reason to defeat Bush* and the PNAC neocons who yank his puppet strings is their calling militant imperialism "freedom on the march." Bush*'s reelection would be disastrous for the U.S. and the world.

[goodboy]

31. great point. (nt)

[mazzarro]

Since the "VERY TRUTHFUL" UN speech, every time this man

opens his mouth to talk about Iraq, he sounds more ridiculous than ever.

[punpirate]

As I recall...

... the UN advisor sent to help form a representative government in Iraq quit in disgust and said that the entire process was being manipulated by the United States' occupation directors.

And, perhaps Powell can't quite figure out that if we didn't play fair by invading Iraq in the first place (without a UN resolution to do so) and then manipulated the aftermath to create maximum chaos for the benefit of US multinational corporations, the Iraqis just might take exception to what we've done.

In fairness, Powell is certainly trying to make the point that some factions are taking advantage of that chaos to push the political process in the directions they desire, but he must be daft to think there's no cause and effect relationship between US actions toward and in Iraq and the violence going on now. Then again, madness seems to be a normal condition in the Executive Branch these days. *sigh*

[UL_Approved]

10. Maybe the shit is exposed

I wonder if Powell is saying that he can't figure this out because he won't see that this war was not justified, or if he's saying it because some attacks don't make sense. For all you conspiracy freaks out there, is it beyond plausibility that many so-called "insurgents" are simply token resistance to keep us in Iraq fighting this little war?

[jpak]

16. 1111+ dead, 10,000+ wounded and 80+ attacks a day on US forces

is NOT token resistance.

It's called a war.

on edit:

and they are attacking us so we can STAY there?????

Now that would be a conspiracy...

[UL_Approved]

20. They pay, we play

That's my point. We know about the weapon stockpile scandal of last week. Why wouldn't it be a possibility that at least some resistance fighters are there to make the conflict draw on. I am NOT, am NOT trying to justify anything coming from the White House now. I am trying to present the idea that there may be more here then a totally sincere effort by all insurgents to free Iraq.

[barb162]

12. He's an idiot, period.

[barb162]

13. He's an idiot, period.

[Zorra]

14. Dear Mr. Powell: When you invade a sovereign country, you just naturally

become the enemy of the people of that country. If a foreign power invaded the US, occupied our country, and set up an illegitimate government, what would you do? I would hope that you would join the rest of us in fighting off the invaders, with sticks and stones if necessary, in order to preserve our sovereignity.

The fact is, many Americans see George W. Bu$h as an unelected, illegitimate dictator, with the potential to be another Saddam Hussein, or worse. Yet, if our country were invaded by a foreign power, we would be in the streets fighting off the invading power until we either drove the invaders off or died, despite our intense loathing for Bu$h, who is indisputably not a legitimately elected Commander-in-Chief of the US.

Do you see where I am going with this?

When the "christian crusaders" invaded the Middle East, with all their "good intentions" about converting the "heathen Moors" to christianity and claiming the "holy land" for the church, I wonder if, like you, the christian crusaders could not understand why the Muslims did not throw flowers instead of doggedly fighting them off.

You republicans just don't seem to get it get it. Not everyone has the same culture and beliefs as you. Just because you personally believe something is true, it does not make it true.

And when you invade a country under undeniably completely false pretenses, in front of an incredulous world, do you think that your motivations will not be suspect to anyone with any semblance of intelligence?

"Tell me again about the WMD, George, tell me again about the WMD!"
(Apologies to John Steinbeck for altering a line from his novel "Of Mice And Men")

[drdtroit]

15. What freakin' planet does this man live on??? n/t

[ilovenicepeople]

17. I wonder?

The insurgent's are killing the newly trained Iraqi police force,this in turn gives the American forces reason to have to stay in Iraq.WHO ARE THE PEOPLE KILLING THE IRAQ POLICE??????JUST WONDERING!:wtf: :shrug:

[UL_Approved]

21. I wondered the same thing

See my other posts in the thread. Why are Iraqis killing Iraqis in this? Why are most casualties Iraqi police?

[bpilgrim]

18. Iraq war illegal, says Annan

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan

... The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter. ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3661134.stm - 42k - Oct 29, 2004

peace

[ixion]

19. yeah, right... and I'm sure that if someone invaded the US

that countries pols would say the same thing. :eyes:

[Neshanic]

22. It is painfull to see someone's once promise turned into whoredom.

[MADem]

24. His promise was always a chimera

He sold his soul during the LT Calley business. The only reason he looked so good is because he looked 'better' than those around him. That is rather like saying a cat turd looks better than a dog turd because it doesn't smell as bad.

He coulda been a contendah, but he gave in to the forces of darkness for political gain and personal aggrandizement. He should have listened to his wife and gone with the Democrats.

[Gyre]

27. 4 star Gen. Chuck Horner

head of Air Ops in Desert Storm, said in his book "Every Man a Tiger", that Powell clearly demonstrated himself to be Washington jerk-off, because he consistantly acted as a "yes man" to his political superiors regardless of the evidence that their policies were flawed. The military tried to get him to help them be heard in the WH but he refused to do it. He wasn't widely respected even by the military that he pretends to have been a part of. "Nobody likes a kiss-ass."

On top of that his son is a piece of shit who, "without his daddy's help", became chairman of the FCC despite the fact that he has no notable credentials of his own. He's obviously contaminated through and through.

Gyre

[daleo]

23. It is now convenient for Powell to treat the U.N. seriously

Next week, he may hold them in contempt again, and ignore them. Whatever works for Powell.

[LynnTheDem]

25. ROTFL!!! That's THE STUPIDEST thing Powell has said to date!

INVASION and OCCUPATION and the DEATHS of 100,000+ Iraqis and a puppet CIA-TERRORIST installed by bush is "no justification" for Iraqis to fight back...

ROTFLMAO!!!

[Gyre]

26. Did I hear a FART?

Of a dying elephant? PHewwww!

Gyre

[BootinUp]

29. Since when do insurgents need your legitmacy??!!

What a koolaid drinking Bush Co Fool he turned out to be.

[Barkley]

33. Callin' Powell A Liar

Now the U.N. suddenly matters to the U.S.

Powell's statements are a softer version of:
'either you stand with us or the enemy'.

U.N. Sec. Kofi Ananan has called the invasion and occupation of Iraq illegal.

Q: What legitimacy do we have in Iraq?
A: None

The U.N. recognized Milosovic; does that make opposition to him wrong?

The U.N. recognizes Iran; does that make opposition to the Islamic theocracy illegitimate?

Iraq is an occupied country, no matter how many puppet regimes the U.S. creates and the U.N. recognizes.

Iraqis will rebell against being occupied.

They want and deserve to run their own country.

Our troops want and deserve to come home to their loved ones.

[hangemhigh]

34. Gutless fucking wonder. n/t

[cosmicone]

35. Damnit !! The insurgents never got the memo !! n/t

[maddezmom]

36. No justification for insurgency in Iraq: Maddezmom

:eyes:

[NNN0LHI]

37. He tried the same line of crap on the North Vietnamese too

They told him to blow it out his ass.

Don

[tabasco]

38. Powell has always been an ass kisser and a liar.

An ass kissing Army officer, terrible Sec of State, and will soon be employed by a war profiteering corporation. What a guy.

He is nothing but a disgrace to this Nation