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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:25 PM
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ABC: On Election Eve, Sept. 11 Doubters Surface
http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=202754

More than three years after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the skeptics are still out there, and despite a massive government investigation into the causes, threats and government response, in the final days before the presidential election, the doubters have been making more noise.

One organization, reopen911.org, has launched an ad campaign calling for a new investigation into what happened on Sept. 11, and another group, 911truth.org, is filing a formal complaint with the New York state attorney general, seeking a criminal investigation.

Conspiracy theories about the attacks began brewing while the ashes of the World Trade Center were still smoldering, and have grown into a booming cottage industry, with countless books, Web sites and videos devoted to the subject.

For some people, the questions about what happened have not been resolved, and the report released by the 9/11 Independent Commission did nothing to put them to rest. For some, it only caused more frustration.

Jimmy Walters, the man behind the campaign that has placed commercials showing the collapsing buildings at the World Trade Center and a computer-generated image of the plane that hit the Pentagon on television in New York, and full-page print ads in newspapers across the country, said he has a definite political aim.

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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:26 PM
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1. "despite a massive government investigation".., yeah, sure. n/t
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AliceWonderland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:36 PM
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2. Pretty much my reaction
At that phrase, I rolled my eyes and moved on.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:37 PM
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3. emphasis on "government"
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:20 PM
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22. Executive mihop plan....all the way ABC!!!!.......3 yrs toooo late!!!
get with the program!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:44 PM
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4. "The 9/11 investigation found absolutely nothing......
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 05:45 PM by Zorra
..........not even me!".

Booosh Knew.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:48 PM
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6. ...because it was looking for nothing! Mission Accomplished!!
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 07:10 PM
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9. the pic is cool!
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 05:45 PM
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5. Mike Ruppert will speak tonight
on the Mike Malloy show on Air America

8pm PST, 11pm EST
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:23 PM
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7. It only takes two to make a conspiracy. Personally I'm a CN theorist
Culpable negligence. Put the bush administration on the stand with a halfway-competent prosecuting attorney doing direct examination, and their entire case of "I'm not to blame" would fall apart.

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eggplantparmesan Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:09 PM
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11. YEAH!
And we should prosecute FDR for allowing Pearl Harbor!!!

Cmon, the things Bush did wrong that we should be focusing on start on 9/12. We're not willing any support by using terror attacks to convince people of things.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:18 PM
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14. Oh really?
"We" should be focusing on 9/12, not 9/11 or before? Why on earth would you say that. And please, if you reply, also translate this incomprehensible string of words: We're not willing any support by using terror attacks to convince people of things.
Say what?
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eggplantparmesan Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:25 PM
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15. yes!
When moderate, uninformed people hear us accusing Bush of being behind the 9/11 attacks, they dont believe us and stop listening, which keeps them from hearing the valid complaints about his actions afterwards, which should be enough to convince them what is right.


And I typed "willing" instead of winning. mea culpa
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:08 PM
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16. apparently you put this in the context of 'winning votes' or some such.
I don't. I find that it doesn't much matter what end of the political spectrum someone is on when I begin to lay out some of the many facts they do not know and have not been told by the major media. Light bulbs begin to go on in their brain and they begin to realize they have been at best kept in the dark about some very damning secrets and at worst lied to outright. This has nothing to do with winning 'votes'. Republicans can stay Republicans for all I care. The quesiton is, IS THERE A RULE OF LAW IN THIS COUNTRY OR NOT?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:39 PM
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18. ....just make sure 'ya vote for Kerry!
 Vote as if your life depended on it, because it does.

Call 866 687-8683
If Poll Workers refuse you to vote for any reason

If there is a late opening or early closing of a polling place.
If your polling place runs out of ballots or has an incorrect ballot
If you experience poll worker insensitivity or discrimination in the voting process

The civil rights community have set up a toll-free Election Day hotline. This line is
staffed now and, in addition to logging your complaint, the civil rights organizations have law
students and attorneys who can provide assistance on Election Day.

the hotline number is
866 687-8683
202 457-0473 fax

When you call the hotline, be prepared to give your name, telephone number, and note as many
details as possible, including the names of the people who are involved.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:51 PM
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19. Ahh - there's that damned phoney "we" crap again!
And from a new poster! What a cooincidence!

Opps - looks like "we" is already enjoying our soils.
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Chelsea Patriot Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:04 AM
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23. Yeah, the 'royal' we and poor punctuation!

It's all so overwhelmingly obvious.
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Amigust Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:19 PM
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21. You go ahead and prosecute FDR if you want to.
We'll prosecute the chimp and his pals. There's plenty of stuff available to prosecute Bonzo. Pretty scanty assertions about FDR, but you go ahead.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:58 AM
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28. Nice try, idiot.


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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 06:11 AM
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30. do what?
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 06:48 PM
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8. 9/11 MASSIVE REPUBLICAN SECURITY FAILURE!
That'a all you have to know to vote!!
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runamokcomedy Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:06 PM
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10. yeah
911 never happened...The towers are still there.
When any story features the wackos and kooks, its time to move along...
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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:43 AM
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27. Keep Moving
"911 never happened...The towers are still there."

You obviously didn't get the same thing I did from the article. But I guess that's because I actually read it and understood what it's about.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:01 AM
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29. Enjoy your short visit!
NT!

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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:10 PM
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12. As always, the most outlandish "theory" is highlighted.

As always, the most outlandish "theory" is highlighted while completely reasonable questions are given zero coverage :

From the article :

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And Walters, who is also the founder and president of the Walden Three Project, which promotes the development of sustainable cities and grew out of his attempt to write a science fiction novel in Hong Kong, said his feelings about what happened have gone from believing that the government bore responsibility for "an error of omission" to a belief that there had to be government involvement in the attacks on some level.

...

His conspiracy theory involves secret U.S. government operatives boarding the four hijacked planes, which he said were then secretly landed and replaced in the skies by remote-controlled drones that were then crashed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, all to create a pretext for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.


-----

So folks, just you remember: when you hear "9/11 questions", think of "wild-eyed conspiracy nuts". Thus saith our glorious media corporations.

:eyes:


MDN


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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:14 PM
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20. Analysis of the flight data recorder data
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 11:14 PM by NecessaryOnslaught
would put alot of these conspiracy theories to rest, wouldn't it?

Oh yeah, they were never found. :eyes:

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001139.html#more
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 08:11 PM
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13. weird timing for this story
a weird story overall, I'm not sure its purpose on the eve of the election.

I trust Kristin Breitweiser to a great extent, and I notice that she is distancing herself from one of these groups.

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:13 PM
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17. The Haunting of the White House
Note to mods: Permission is given for the following article to be reproduced in full for non-commercial purposes. See release note after final paragraph at bottom.

(Editor's Note: We are pleased on this evening of Nov. 1st to 2nd, known in Mexico as "The Day of the Dead," to publish the following exclusive: a Republican-meets-Democrat, one-two punch editorial by Cynthia McKinney and Catherine Austin Fitts, on "The Haunting of the White House." An earlier version of the piece was written in response to a request from editors of The New York Times. So far the Times has declined to publish, but other print publications are still considering it. Meanwhile, you can feel free to forward it to the nine winds on the Web, with our thanks. - 911Truth.org Staff)

Day of the Dead:
The Haunting of the White House

By Cynthia McKinney and Catherine Austin Fitts

November 1, 2004


Something is rising from the ashes of September 11: the spectre of questions that will haunt our country until answered.

Months after the release of the official 9/11 Commission Report - even as Congress moves to implement its proposals for a radical centralization of security forces - growing numbers of Americans are doubting their own government's account of what really happened on September 11, and how.

From the first, the Bush Administration resisted investigation and disclosure. Families of September 11 victims were forced to lobby the administration and Congress for a full and independent inquiry. They fought for 14 months, blocked every step of the way by the White House.

The political games reached such a point that the survivors of the worst attack ever on American soil were forced to hold a candlelight vigil in front of the White House. A vigil for the truth.

The White House finally assented in December 2002 to the establishment of an independent commission, under former New Jersey Governor Thomas Kean. Still, the administration pushed for a hand-picked panel, with a narrow focus on intelligence failures and recommendations.

The families demanded a full investigation, posing nearly 400 questions to the Kean Commission. The commissioners said they welcomed these queries. But their final report ignored most of the unanswered questions. Still posted on the website of the September 11 Family Steering Committee, these questions are a stark reminder of the Kean Commission's failures.

Now these same questions have been submitted to the New York Attorney General. Last week, the New York City office of Eliot Spitzer received a citizens' complaint to open a legal inquiry into crimes still unsolved, more than three years later.

So begins the haunting of the White House.

Driven by survivor families, independent researchers, journalists, and a growing number of ordinary citizens, an emergent "9/11 truth movement" has organized several public inquiries into the events of September 11 during the past year. As co-chairs of the first 9/11 Citizens' Commission, held in New York City in September, we were entrusted with answering questions the Kean Commission ignored.

What did we hear? We heard evidence of specific advance warnings about the 9/11 attacks from overseas. We heard about the spiking of FBI terrorism investigations and the lack of response during the attacks by high officials, including George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and the acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Richard Myers.

We heard about air toxicity at Ground Zero still afflicting firefighters, first responders, and New York residents - and how, in the days after September 11, the White House intervened to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from issuing a strong warning that the air in Lower Manhattan was unsafe to breathe.

We also learned that, although there was a stunning abandonment of standard procedure for hijackings and air defense on September 11, the 9/11 Commission Report fails to issue a call for official accountability.

As Kean Commission members travel the country to promote the findings of their report, we know many people are standing up to ask them tough questions about these and many other open issues. But ordinary people lack the subpeona powers necessary for a full discovery of the facts. Citizens' investigations can only go so far.

Some of those who testified before us in New York therefore explored the case for a grand-jury investigation. Possible charges included criminal negligence, failure to perform official duties, criminal facilitation, liability for accessorial conduct, conspiracy and obstruction of justice by high-ranking U.S. government officials.

These charges, now raised in the petition to the New York State Attorney General, may sound extreme. But they reflect a growing concern within the public. A Zogby International poll of New York City residents last August showed that 49 percent believe some high officials knew about the attacks in advance and "consciously failed" to take preventive action. 41 percent of state residents overall shared that view.

A full 66 percent of New York City residents in the survey agreed the case of 9/11 should be reopened by Congress - or by Eliot Spitzer. A Congressional inquiry that respects the pressing nature of these questions is long overdue.

And so now we have no recourse but to stand vigil in front of Eliot Spitzer's office. Until the unanswered questions about 9/11 are laid to rest, by a truly independent investigation that does not declare legitimate avenues of inquiry off-limits, they will continue to haunt our country - and whoever sits in the White House next year.

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Cynthia McKinney, a five-term U.S. Congresswoman from Georgia's fourth district from 1993 to 2003, won this year's primary as the Democratic nominee for her former seat and is favored in tomorrow's election. Catherine Austin Fitts is a former Assistant Secretary of Housing under President George Bush Sr. and a former managing director and board member of Dillon, Read & Co. Inc.

The questions of the Family Steering Committee are online at www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html

The Complaint and Petition to Attorney General Eliot Spitzer is online at www.Justicefor911.org

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The above is cleared for free non-commercial republication and distribution by e-mail, if no changes are made and the following URL of the original is included:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041101130426916
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:11 AM
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24. +1 to Nader
and Cobb and Badnarik for signing it.

(Nader is still at -99 but I'll give him the one for this.)
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 02:01 AM
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25. After Kerry wins
We must press on this and the anthrax attacks. We can't let people get away with these crimes.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 02:37 AM
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26. Jimmy Walter is my pal
He's a great benefactor and a brilliant person, also has some $$$ to spare from his family, and he's putting three million bucks behind this --

He's been a big Take Back the Media supporter for a long time and without him we'd be in the street.

It was HIS 1937 convertible Rolls Royce that we cruised around in (in San Francisco, LA and Santa Barbara) dressed as up as Dick Cheney (that was me) and Bush (him wearing a Jump suit with AWOL stitched in the back in big yellow letters and an Alfred E. Newman mask) --

Here's the link to us fooling around, throwing 911 bills out of the back of the car, called "The Protest that Never Was.."

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/noprotest.html

We also chased all the presidential contenders around in New Hampshire, filming them with his generous help...

He's a great guy and I don't like seeing these assholes trying to pin the "sci fi" "conspiracy" nut crap on him.. I've alerted him to this article, I'll see what he really said at some point.

Even if you don't agree with his premise (or anyone elses) I'm really glad that he's pushing for the investigation to be opened up - he called Colin Powell out long before anyone else did with NY Times full page ads right before I met him.

Like a said, a great guy - and the champagne used to flow like water til he quit drinking, damn it :)
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 09:15 AM
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31. Your protest with AWOL, Big Dick and the Rolls Royce
looks like it was great street theatre. Wish I could have seen it in person.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 09:24 AM
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32. Retroactive winner of the October "You call this NEWS?" Award

rocknation
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