Post-election poll: Americans seem hopeful

[Sushi-Lover]

"ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Americans by and large appear to be happy with the results of Tuesday's elections and are hopeful the country will be drawn together during President Bush's second term, according to a survey conducted Wednesday night.

They also expect Bush to put aside partisan agendas and lead in a bipartisan way, according to the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

Just over half -- 51 percent -- of 621 American adults surveyed said they were pleased with the outcome of the presidential election; 38 percent said they were upset. ...."

Umm .. hello Mr. Journalist, isn't that the margin Bush "won" by?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/post.election/index.html

[NurseLefty]

More right wing propaganda

...and they sure as hell didn't ask me. If they did I'd tell them that Bush is going to take us off a cliff

[LiberteToujours]

1. Fuck that shit

[LiberteToujours]

2. SDFJSLDFJLSKFJ

They also expect Bush to put aside partisan agendas and lead in a bipartisan way, according to the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.

OMG! I am going bonkers! Do people not learn!! WE HEARD THIS ONLY FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lancdem]

62. I couldn't believe that, either

I think it's just some post-election haze that'll dissipate.

[xxqqqzme]

3. cnn can stick that bullshit

poll where the sun don't shine.

[itzamirakul]

54. Don't support major news networks

Thank God I live in an area where I can get Air America Radio because now, instead of listening to NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and the rest of those false prophets, I just refuse to turn them on - PERIOD! I think we should do the same thing to them that we did to Sinclair. Bomabard them with emails and phone calls which promise to boycott their sponsors until they are finally FORCED to TELL THE TRUTH!

If you cannot get Air America Radio on air, then go to their website at www.airamericaradio.com. It is very satisfying for the liberal American.

[camero]

4. Right

Before the election, the majority said the country was on the wrong track. Corporate Media spin and lies.

[drhilarius]

5. Oh, so NOOOOOW he's going to be a uniter?

Fucking idiots.

[The Backlash Cometh]

27. No, he's not.

He never planned to. He's just saying what he's suppose to say at this time, and then Congress and him will just go on slam dunking their agenda.

[MatrixEscape]

6. That's a funny agitprop joke! Ha ho ha hoo! n/t

[Sushi-Lover]

9. I admit it, I laughed upon reading it ..

but only in a sad cynical bad feeling in the tummy kind of way. Its just mind-blowingly blatant propaganda.

[yo-yo-ma]

7. forcing a new narrative down our throats

After this fiction of an election result, we are being cast as only all just wanting to get along now. That it's all suddenly behind us. Looking to the future. A new hopeful beginning.

What this does is erradicates the possibility of looking critically at the election results etc. without being labeled as "not hopeful", "negative", "living in the past", "out of touch"

This marginalizes dissent.

[w13rd0]

8. Revisionism isn't just for the history books...

...it's now REAL-TIME!

[rodeodance]

50. yes, revisonism is in our faces --real-time!!

[itzamirakul]

53. MEDIA WILL SPIN NEW REALITY

Watch the media spin this unity bullshit with new "polls" taken from invisible people who will swear that they want to support Bush now that he has been re-SELECTED. Soon they will convince the world that we are all Rodney Kings and that we all want to "get along." Yo won't hear anything about the division in this country or the fact that there are some of us who will NEVER support this man and his racist, warmongering, warprofiteering policies!

[d_b]

10. Huh.

I've yet to meet anyone who voted against bush that is 'hopeful' about anything.

[Cinletharwi]

11. "expect Bush to put aside partisan agendas and lead in a bipartisan way"

Shit in one hand and expect in the other, see which one fills up quicker.

How in the hell can anyone see 51% as a mandate? Unless, of course, you don't plan on acknowledging, let alone representing, the other 49%.

49% of the population doesn't exist to these people, but an omnipresent being does.

[Sushi-Lover]

17. My personal system of descriptive words to %s puts

'by and large' nowhere near 51%. Maybe 75% would merit an 'Americans by and large', but 51% ??? For fuck's sake, is there really no honor among thieves anymore?

[autorank]

12. By the headline, I guess the 39% "upset" aren't "Americans"

These guys have to go.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[MattP]

13. Poll

621 people, what the fuck kind of poll is that? I thought you couldn't trust polls!! but now the gop want's us to swallow that bunch of shit like one percent over half makes it by and LARGE, what was the oversample of gop fuckheads!!!!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Check out this paragraph. It doesn't add up to me

One-third of respondents said they were optimistic about Bush's second term, and 23 percent were enthusiastic. Another 24 percent said they were afraid and 18 percent expressed pessimism.

[mazzarro]

15. Pure horseshit - IMO

This definitely confirms that these corporate polls are purely made up in their offices!

[still_one]

16. They should go fuck themselves

[The_Casual_Observer]

18. Ask any group of 1000 people: do you like Vanilla?

490 People say yes, 490 say no , 20 don't know. Who cares about this shit anymore?

and 51% Isn't exactly what I would call a consensus, or even "most people" I would call it bullshit. Since when was 51% considered a "passing grade"?

[Contrary1]

19. I'm real happy for them. n/t

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

20. CNN also just confirmed "reforming the tax code" as a Bush agenda item

I don't understand why more people are not terrified and speaking out regarding this one. If Bush moves forward with a "National Sales Tax," experts have suggested the only WORKING model requires a 50-to-60 percent tax.

That means you'll pay 150-160% of the sticker price for EVERY item you buy.

You will spend more and have less. And if you are unemployed and are draining your "nest egg," look at it this way. You EARNED the money initially and paid taxes on it before it went into your bank. You've paid taxes on the interest while it's been in there.

Let's say you have an 8.25 sales tax model right now. If Bush installs a 55% model, you will pay the 8.25 you're currently paying PLUS an additional 46.75 cents on EVERY-DOLLAR-YOU-SPEND.

If the money is in your bank, post-taxes, it's no longer "income," yet it will get a 150-160% surcharge exactly as if it were. The only way to hold onto your nest egg is to NOT SPEND IT...Moving forward, you will get to KEEP only ONE HALF to ONE THIRD of what you earn.

The Bush promises about reducing the deficit? He'll start with an additional 46.75 cents off the top of every dollar in your hands. All the tough talk during the election of "my opponent has plans, and he can't pay for them...guess how he's going to do it? He's going to raise your taxes..."

I'm sure that a "National Sales Tax is much, much worse than ANYTHING Senator Kerry envisioned bringing to the table. And yet, no one's talking about it. No one's standing up and asking "what can we do to stop it?" It seems like everyone wants to just sleep peacefully until it becomes our new standard and our new way of life. Bush backed off during the election when everyone's ears went up, then he backed off, but it "never went away." He just stopped TALKING about it until November because he didn't want to hurt his chances for "re-selection."

The "Hopeful Americans" either don't see this one coming or are just not understanding its impact.

"Americans by and large appear to be happy with the results of Tuesday's elections and are hopeful the country will be drawn together during President Bush's second term"...where exactly IS this "America?"

[aquart]

22. Yeah, sales taxes are always ever so popular.

Can't wait till the freepers come up against this.

My god, that just cheered up my whole day. I'm actually smiling.

Think the religious types with ten kids and a budget are going to love it?

Yeah, vote for George and his great morals. Feed your kids toast.

[drhilarius]

25. That's the moment I'm waiting for...

as it has been said on this board:"Let them eat Jesus!"

[MADem]

40. Feed your kids toast

...but grow the wheat yourself, to make the bread yourself, because who can afford the tax they'll probably put on everything from medicine to food....the baaaaastids.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

55. It will be rice & beans time

Buy the big, industrial-size sacks of rice that you can find in Asian markets. Buy dry beans in bulk. Get a couple of air-tight canisters for each to keep the bugs out. You can drink tap water for free, unless they find a way to add to your utilities tax.

I PREDICT that people with back-yard fruit trees will see an increase in people stealing fruit from them. No kidding...people with these trees will wake up in the morning, make their cup of coffee, yawn and do the morning stretch, open the drapes and find out that some time in the middle of the night, someone jumped the fence and stripped their trees. Because NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD FRUIT. Apples and oranges will become "the new caviar." You'll see photos of the Bush family, gathered for a weekend of fishing in Kennebunkport, and they will all be enjoying crunchy, sweet, juicy red McIntosh apples on Junior's boat. People will see the Bush family enjoying their apples and will want one too, so they will walk the surrounding neighborhoods, making note of which yards have trees. When all trees have been stripped, you will have a vitamin C-deficient neighborhood that has worked its way in concentric circles to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. The armed riot police will take them down, one by one, and president Bush will celebrate the moment on national TV by saying "We will be steadfast. They will not shake our resolve. And if you want my peaches, baby don't shake my tree."

I really believe that we'll see another new phenomenon. I believe we we'll see people standing in a line in the store...ANY store...inching their way up to the register, reviewing the items in their hand basket or cart, asking themselves "which of these can I live without?"

And, after mastering this discernment skill over time, it will all come down to the walk...not ride, because you will not be able to afford the gas...to the market for rice and beans once a month.

All of these markets that we have in Silicon Valley like Cosentino's and Lunardi's that target an "upscale" clientele with higher-quality fruits and vegetables, range-free chicken, hormone-free beef...they will sell only to Bush's base. There will be no reason for anyone else to set foot in the store.

[truthisfreedom]

24. what bush is doing is creating an explosive barter system in America.

then he'll have to force through anti-barter laws, and that will implode on the thugs.

[Dogmudgeon]

28. This will pass as a "wartime" measure

The next major terrorist attack or other public atrocity, Bush will slide this through like a handful of Oxys going down Rushbo's slicked throat.

Of course, you'll be able to get a special Patriot's Sales Tax Discount (from 50% to 25%), if you have a PatriotCard™. To get yours, call 1-888-666-BUSH.

"They hate us for our NEW Low, Low Rates!"

--bkl

[LynnTheDem]

34. Have you any links?

CNN confirming...experts saying 50-60%? I'd LOVE to spread THAT info far & wide among the blogs. :D

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

56. I'm sorry, I had them the last time this issue got some serious press...

...and posted multiple links in my threads on DU, but didn't keep them.

"Googling" the subject might turn up some useful info. But what happened at the time (and this was RIGHT at the time when Junior went public, said "That sounds GREAT, we ought to look into it," and then immediately backed off...was that the arm-chair number-crunchers jumped on the story and did an analysis.

I don't remember what the initial baseline number was. The premise was based on an end to Federal income tax, being replaced by a "National Sales Tax," and the percentage MIGHT have been in the 20-30% range.

And, because you NEVER get the whole story on any of these great ideas from the Bush administration until it's too late, the analysis came back like this:

The plan would call for abolishing the FEDERAL income tax, but the STATES would still be free to collect their taxes and piggy-back them on top of the new "National" tax. The 50-60% range came from a projection, on average, of where the level would need to be set to guarantee the same income to the government. So by the time the PUBLICIZED rate of "20-30%" was scrutinized, it was revealed that the state and federal governments would LOSE money at this level. The "realistic" range would have to be 50-60%.

And like I said, I didn't save any links because I just assumed that talk of this proposal would end when president Kerry took office. Now we know the truth...one day after the election and it's back on Junior's "to do" list.

However, now that the story's back, I'm back on it...and I will publish any "rumblings" on this one...with links...as they occur. This could also take the shape of "pork barrel" politics...all kinds of "agenda items" could be added to, removed from and slapped back onto this baby before Bush rolls it out for public viewing.

:toast:

[Dulcinea]

66. It'll never happen.

That way, how could the rich have tax loopholes?

[moondust]

21. How about this: "Half of Americans seem hopeful"

They also expect Bush to put aside partisan agendas and lead in a bipartisan way.

They also expect pigs to fly in formation in the very near future.

[Dulcinea]

67. Hopeful about what?

That the social safety net will be gutted? That there won't be any jobs except at Wally World or as a live-in maid or gardener?

Our nation's future was sold down the river because Fundie America was scared shitless that same-sex couples might be able to marry each other, and that rape victims might be able to end their accidental pregnancies!

[truthisfreedom]

23. they may be hopeful, and they may not be upset, but it's only because of

the fact that the election result was not a protracted, insane, litigious nightmare. if it had been protracted and bush managed to f^ck us out of the vote anyway, the thugs would have used that as leverage against the Democratic party for years to come.

i am completely and absolutely certain now that the vote was rigged in Florida and Ohio. the paperless touch-screen machines were doctored to deliver the results the thugs wanted, and democracy is irrevocably broken... we are now victims of the ultimately powerful corporations who will continue to grow and merge until we have a world corporate-based government that knows every last detail about us and manipulates everything to consolidate power and money to the hands of the final few.

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. Maybe they should read the New York Times.

He's going to do what he's been doing. Say one thing and do the exact opposite.

[retread]

29. The headline misspelled "hopeful". It should be spelled delusional!

*

[teryang]

30. unbelievable bs!

The script for morons.

[The Backlash Cometh]

31. Social engineering

They're trying to give Bush another honeymoon.

[LynnTheDem]

32. 51% of 621 = "BY AND LARGE"???

ROTFL!!!

[flygal]

33. Where's the headling "Many American's scared shitless"?..

[liberal N proud]

35. Hoping for a revolution! n/t

[SoCalDem]

36. I am hopeful, actually..

I hope that little shithead chokes on another pretzel or maybe a bowling ball..and there is no one around to "help" him..

I hope he pisses off his "food-taster"..

I hope he falls flat on his ugly face every time he rides his tricycle.

I hope that he hooks his crotch next time he goes fishing.

I hope that the fish he catches is 99% mercury.

I hope that Laura smokes in bed, and dozes off.(assuming that they share a bedroom)

I hope there are rattlesnakes on the ranch (and he finds one... barefoot)

I hope his daughters fall in love with and marry "illegal immigrants"

[GiovanniC]

39. GIRL "Illegal Immigrants"

[itzamirakul]

45. FUNNY!

This post by SoCalDem is funny as shit. I love it! I had to laugh even though I am mad as hell.

BTW, No one EVER polls ME! How the hell is he going to unite us when his whole campaign was run on division and thinly-veiled RACISM?

[SoCalDem]

46. Thank you.. and WELCOME to DU

I am sorry we did not meet you in more auspicious times :(.. We are all rather sad these days :cry:

[itzamirakul]

52. RETURNING - BUT THANKS FOR THE WELCOME!

Actually, I was on DU over a year and a half ago but I was kicked off with no possibility of a second chance or recourse because I referred to Colin Powell and Condi Rice in less than favorable terms. I am glad to see that DU has relaxed its "let's be civil to the opposition" rules for its posters.But just to be sure, I am hee under a different name this time. Hope they don't kick me off again.

[Bullshot]

37. Take it from the BBC, which has the ability to look from the outside in:

Wednesday night, they reported that in 2000, Bush campaigned as a moderate and turned out to be a right wing extremist. As a result, the country is more divided than ever.

Why should anybody believe this won't change in Bush's second term? Especially since he doesn't have to worry about re-election in 2008, and neither does Cheney?

As long as he has a Republican Congress, I think Bush can ram anything through easily with no worry about repercussions.

[Triana]

38. AMERICANS SEEM STUPID

...and that's about it.

[htuttle]

41. Hopeful, my ass!

And CNN, stop trying to tell me how I should feel!

[Tony_Illinois]

42. I Think This Front Page Says It All . . .

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[OhioChick]

43. I Figured with a Headline Like this....

it had to be related to 'Gallup'. :puke:

[cubsfan forever]

44. Bullshit! n/t

Professor 2

[suegeo]

47. Sweet Jesus, make the propaganda stop already

Someone really needs to drive these worse-than-useless "news" outlets into the sea.

[Mountainman]

48. I will be glad to see the country get fucked by Bush, that is the only way

things will change. We can't do it ourselves and the other half isn't willing to change yet. Not until the country is hurting bad enough will there be a call for change.

We enough people lose their jobs and can't support their families when enough people can't get health care, when enough people have their children fighting in foreign wars of aggression, when enough people can't afford their prescription drugs, when enough people lose their social security, when enough people can't get any kind of help from their city, county, and federal governments because the treasuries are bankrupt, when enough people get thrown in jail by a fascist regime, when enough women are forced to subjugate themselves to men, when enough people have fundamentalism forced down their throats, then maybe they'll want a change. I only hope it only take the next 4 years for them to hurt bad enough.

[Bridget Burke]

49. I hope I can make it through the next 4 years.

But I don't think that's what CNN meant.

[GiovanniC]

51. GiovanniC Poll: Americans Seem Fucking Retarded

[GoSolar]

57. This is crap...

Nothing but crap.

[Triana]

58. CNN - Prop O Ganda...

...best thing about CNN - ignoring them - turn them off....

Remember WHO owns them...

[shanti]

59. give me a fucking break!

HOPEFUL???????!!!!! PISSED OFF IS MORE LIKE IT!!!

[leesa]

60. Horseshit! Let's get these bastards.

[durablend]

61. Earth to America...

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

55 MILLION + CALL BULLSHIT ON THAT POLL.

[PCIntern]

63. Hopeful - They're right...

I hope that each and every asswipe who voted for them gets exactly what they deserve. And you all can extrapolate to find out exactly what I mean. I'm not posting anything advocating anything bad specifically. But you get my drift... There are circles of Hell reserved for those who do these kinds of things.

[Cocoa]

64. media Prozac

[young_at_heart]

65. CNN continues to show us how "in tune" they are with public opinion

Every time I see one of those CNN women with the fake smile talking about Iraq as though it was just another piece of news I want to scream!

[Senator Lamb]

68. i say

let them have their way, let the run the country into the ground. sit back, relax and grab a popocorn , this show is going to be great. payback is a bitch dumb fundies

[SoCalDem]

72. Carol Costello is the WORST.. she even smile-talks the BAD news

and then giggles to her little Ken-doll pal..

[MacDo]

69. LOL, and listen

Read every post in this thread, and you'll see why we lost. We have no middle ground, it's our way or the highway, right?
Until we stay away from Guns, God, and Gays, we will not win. We are not the majority on these issues. We have to find the middle groud, and fight on it.

[monobrau]

70. I'm always hopeful

I'm naive enough to always be hopeful that justice will prevail. It's just a long, slow, painful, process. I'm old enough to remember Nixon by a landslide in '72, and we know how that turned out.
I've survived Reagan and Bush 1. This pickled punk is one more speed bump on the road of life.

[grl2watch]

71. Proof That People are Clueless

If people don't realize the ugly battle which is ahead, then I guess they believe that Bush is not a ventriloquist's dummy.

The war is in our backyard now. Oh, I guess they don't believe bin Laden either.