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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:20 PM
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Kerry Cries at Sad Story
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DERRY, N.H. (Reuters) - Maybe it was the ginger tea or the homemade brownies, but Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry ran a gamut of emotions on Wednesday, angrily denouncing President Bush as "dead wrong" on Iraq and shedding tears at a jobless woman's story.

Crying in New Hampshire, site of the first major primary of election seasons for the past half century, proved disastrous to another Democrat's White House campaign

Washington Post

Drudge
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:23 PM
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1. OMG...
...please, this is so incredibly stupid. Since the Bush coup, I find myself weeping with outrage and sadness over stuff all the time. Another damned non-story the whorepress is trying to gin up into something. What's with the "maybe it was the gingere tea or the homemade brownies"? Are they trying to imply something?
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crissy71 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:29 PM
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3. This piece was full of snarky
little fuck you's - like "ketchup heiress" and "reputation for aloofness" - this is the kind of hit piece that ALL Dems will have to struggle against in the coming months

You'll never see quotes like "traded Sammy Sosa" and "tendency to sound stupid" or "couldn't find oil in Texas" in AP and Reuters News stories.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 05:17 PM
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12. "Bush Laughs at Ol' Yeller's (or Bambi's Mom... take your pick) Demise"
Edited on Wed Sep-03-03 05:18 PM by Billy_Pilgrim
Think about it, we've got a guy in the WH that used to enjoy shoving firecrackers into live frogs vs. people with empathy.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:25 PM
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2. Meanwhile, Bush giggles
As he sends another thousand people to their deaths.

Give me the man who can cry tears of sympathy or righteous anger any day of the week over the psychopath currently squatting in the Oval Office.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:29 PM
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4. Dean gets erection when woman shows up at rally
Lieberman seen buying "non-Kosher" meat.
Clark admits to collecting G.I. Joe dolls.
Gephardt: The drapes and carpet are not the same color
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:38 PM
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24. How disgusting can one be!
Why is this kind of crap allowed on this forum?
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:08 PM
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26. Hell if I know
Why is this kind of crap allowed on this forum?

What, exactly, disgusts you? It's called sarcasm. A pun. A hoo-hah. A ......nevermind....... It was a play on this bogus "news" headline. I'm guessing it was the "erection" thing. I apologize. I should have said "Dean gets woody..."

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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:19 PM
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28. I thought it was funny
I got the joke.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:50 PM
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30. ah satire...
I thought that was pretty funny....

But remember some people like Paula Zahn think satire=lies....
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:32 PM
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5. Here's a more balanced report
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 04:36 PM
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6. Unfortunately this is the headline now flooding the news circuit
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 05:00 PM
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7. This reminds me of that Senator for Minnesota
that was running for President until someone
insulted his wife and he cried. It was the
kiss of death. Perhaps they are using this
story that way. Big deal. If its sad, cry.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 06:49 PM
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16. Actually it was Ed Muskie
he was from Maine. It happened when he was running for president in 1972. (Muskie was Hubert Humphrey's (D-MN) running mate in 1968). I don't know why such a big deal was made out the incident - of course it was the year of CREEP and the plumbers. Humphrey used to get emotional and, if he never actually cried, you used think he was close to it. Come to think of it, I recall one time when Hubert did cry and he said he wasn't ashamed of it because, as he said, "a man who doesn't have tears doesn't have a heart."

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 07:06 PM
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17. do you know what the insult was ?
do you know what exactly the insult aimed at his wife was that made him cry ?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:00 PM
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19. the Muskie incident:
"A conservative newspaper in New Hampshire, the Union Leader, had printed an anonymous letter accusing Muskie of using the derogatory word "Canuck" to describe the state's French-Canadian population. The letter later proved to be one of the Nixon White House dirty tricks. The paper also had baited Muskie by writing in an editorial that his wife Jane smoked, drank, and cursed in an "unladylike" way. Muskie went to the Union Leader's offices in Manchester and, standing on a flatbed truck outside, condemned the paper and defended his wife. Furious and upset, he paused at one point and appeared (to some) to choke up."

http://www.muskiefoundation.org/stories.hadad.html

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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:40 PM
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25. Ever been so pissed to a fare-thee-well that you almost cried ?
I have ...like my mom ... if she ever cried ... somebody was gonna get hurt. That's probably what Muskie was holding back...

Media Bastards...
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:09 PM
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31. Dr. Hunter Thompson said
in his book "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Traill: 1972" that Ed Muskey was stoned on an exotic African drug called "ibocain". He said he didn't blame Muskey, that ibocain was some bad-ass stuff and anyone, even the heartless John Mitchell would have been bawling like a baby.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:10 PM
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32. Looks like the VRWC was alive and well in 1972- read this....
from the same site:

"Ed... became extremely agitated and, on a wintry day, gave a speech on a makeshift platform in front of Loeb's newspaper. Tired, angry and exhausted, he launched into an emotional defense of his wife. His voice broke slightly as he choked up. But the press reported that Ed Muskie had cried tears of frustration. Horrors! In those days, anyone who would be president could not show emotion . . . and certainly could not cry. In my opinion, that single event derailed the Muskie campaign -- from then on, it was downhill. (Today, of course, politicians cry at the drop of a hat, and no one thinks any worse of him or her . . . and that's as it should be. If someone is without emotion, he is ipso facto disqualified to lead a nation in my view.)

Long after the event, David Broder of the Washington Post told me the "crying incident" was a bum rap. He was standing right down front. It was snowing, and, as flakes of snow landed on Ed Muskie's head, they melted and streaked down his face. One reporter decided they were tears, "pack mentality" became operative -- and everyone reported that Muskie had cried. Only Broder insists to this day that Muskie did not cry.

http://www.muskiefoundation.org/stories.hyman.html
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 05:04 PM
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8. Forget it
I do not need some wimpy crying male to run this country
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 05:11 PM
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10. Is that sarcasm?
If not, I'm curious; Do you have sons?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 05:12 PM
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11. 3 Purple Hearts, Bronze Star, Silver Star
Not my definition of wimp. He can cry all he damn well pleases.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 05:35 PM
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15. Amen to that
I'd rather have a President who sheds a tear because he has a good heart and who has the guts enough to lay his life on the line for his country, as opposed to a sniveling weasel who mocks an executed woman and went AWOl from a Guard position his family connections handed to his cowardly ass. I'm a Kucinich supporter, but I think it would be a good day if we had a man like Kerry at our helm. Anybody is better than Bush, of course, but, even though, John Kerry is not in my top couple choices for President, I still acknowledge that he is a helluva man and respect him immensely. I'd have no qualms voting for him if he were to win the nomination.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:12 PM
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33. I hope that your post was sarcasm.
Because this is an insulting piece to any man worth his salt. Tears are for the strong-hearted, tears are for the "human". Any man or woman who cannot cry when moved to, is sad indeed.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 05:07 PM
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9. times have changed
and the american public will not perceive that as a negative.
since reagan, the candidates have looking to show there sensitive sides -- the older campaigns were to directed to the ww2 generation and they perceived things like that differently.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 05:19 PM
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13. This is actually the first thing I've read about Kerry
that's given me a reason to vote for him. He actually gives a shit? What a concept.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 07:08 PM
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18. he has cried before,
he has cried, but usually tried to hold back tears at other times.mostly during the veterans day or memorial day. bill bradley did the same during the last primary against gore. and of course bill clinton always did. i see nothing wrong with it.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 12:52 AM
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35. I agree it's positive. 'I feel your pain.' When this is a country in agony
It's the most human thing I've read about Kerry and I've been wanting him to show the country that he is the man who won my admiration by testifying before a senate commitee about the US atrocities in Vietnam as a decorated Vietnam vet. I want him to show passion for the well-being of his countryman again. This is what made the public embrace Clinton as an alternative to Bush the First. He has it in him and this is evidence.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:01 PM
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20. Hitpiece "journalism" at its gossip columnist worst (NT)
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:06 PM
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21. oh, and when ol' Whistle-Ass cries ...
... he's showing how "compassionate" he is. Bah! Now there's a double standard for you -- when Democrats show emotion, they're wimps.

Seriously -- the number of times the media have made approving noises when George W. cries -- I swear, the man bursts into tears more than I do. And usually the sobbing is about himself (like at his gubernatorial goodbye party in Texas).

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disgruntella Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:09 PM
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22. interesting
I haven't noticed coverage of Bush crying, although I'm sure it's "spun" differently as you suggest. Were there some oil wells on fire or something?
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:32 PM
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23. Jeb and Poppy do too ...
http://www.robertfulford.com/Crying.html

"The Bushes, it has slowly become clear, constitute a special case: an entire political family given to public crying. They raise the possibility (otherwise unknown in the medical literature) that tears
may run in clans, like red hair or blue eyes. After President George W. Bush visibly fought back tears during his inauguration last year, his father, also teary, explained: "We Bushes cry when
we're happy, we cry when we're sad."

Last week, Governor Jeb Bush of Florida broke down in tears at a conference on drugs when he thanked addiction treatment professionals for their support after his daughter's arrest on drug
charges. He apologized. "Bush men always cry," he explained. "It's a little genetic problem I got from my dad."

Certainly the many splendid lacrimal performances of George Herbert Walker Bush lend credence to that thesis. A piece in Time magazine, while acknowledging he was never a match for
Clinton, nevertheless classified him as a "frequent weeper." He cried when he heard Dixie Carter sing the national anthem, cried while listening to the Oak Ridge Boys perform on Air Force One,
cried when Paula Coughlin (a victim of the navy's Tailhook sex-harassment scandal) told him about her ordeal. And, uh, he cried when his dog Millie's first litter was brought to him."


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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:09 PM
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27. I read a couple of the stories
and this struck me as a veiled comparison to President Clinton and his "I feel your pain" personna that the press loved to mock.
The headlines for this story are very snarky - "Kerry Cries at Woman's Sad Story" seemed to be the favorite among many that mention Kerry and crying.
This seems like a set-up - another little inside joke the press corps can toss back and forth among themselves. It's this year's version of the press remarking on Clinton "wiping away a tear" while they report the story as unmasking a phony and a bad actor to boot.
The whole tone of this story is that Kerry was faking emotion and isn't he just a cynical bastard who will do anything to win.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:46 PM
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29. Good God!
The man shows empathy instead of this aloofness he has been accused of, and now we are ready to do a Muskie on him.

Unless this whole thing is a setup by the Kerry campaign, I commend Kerry for his compassion, and I will resist the cynical temptation to say that Kerry should have opened his wallet and given the woman enough money to get her kids through college. In case you didn't know this, Kerry is the wealthiest member of Congress, wealthier than Corzine, and that's without including his wife's money.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 11:23 PM
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34. Another Prudenizing from the Bushevik Loyalist Editor at the Post
My Lord, it's so casual and so frequent nowadays.

Liberal media is now a puking sick joke. Now the Busheviks cry "liberal media" when the Corporate TV Pravda actually has the nerve to occasionally and mildly report what he actually did as compared to what he said.

How a nation become Truly Free Again (not this twilight, in which so much of the Old Republic is still with us but in which the underpinnings are sadly rotted out) with a Press like that?
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