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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:00 PM
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Key Senator Denies Warning Bush on Abortion Issue
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=6721649

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The presumptive incoming chairman of the powerful Senate Judiciary Committee denied on Thursday that he had issued a warning to President Bush not to nominate anti-abortion judges for the Supreme Court.

Pennsylvania's Sen. Arlen Specter, a moderate Republican who supports preserving the legality of abortion, spoke after his reported comments on the issue a day earlier angered conservatives and stoked some calls for Republicans to find another Judiciary Committee chairman.

Specter was quoted as saying in a post-election news conference in Philadelphia on Wednesday that it was "unlikely" the Senate, including its new members elected this week, would approve a Supreme Court judge who would overturn the landmark Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion.

But Specter said in a statement issued in Washington on Thursday, "Contrary to press accounts, I did not warn the president about anything and was very respectful of his constitutional authority on the appointment of federal judges."

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:02 PM
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1. Say "buh, bye" to all the "moderate" republicans
they're on their way out. their commander has received a "mandate."

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:02 PM
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2. He better not return...
To Philly, if he does that. Ever. That's a rough crowd there.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:04 PM
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3. why would it matter?
Bush said he's not going to use a litmus test, so Specter's reported comments are irrelevant.

Unless Specter (and the conservatives) don't believe Bush...



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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 11:21 PM
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14. You must be kidding. No ONE believes **, right or left.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:04 PM
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4. Jeez, the bush* crime family got to him in less than 24 hours,
pretty scary stuff.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:14 PM
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20. Yeah, that horse's head works wonders
eom
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:09 PM
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5. Maybe it was another specter ...
... like the Ghost of Country Past.
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:16 PM
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6. When you lie with dogs, you get up with fleas.
If this election doesn't show the moderate Republicans that they need change to Dem or form some kind of alliance with progressive Dems for a viable third party they will become a poweless and ineffective pawns to the American Taliban.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:19 PM
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7. "I never said that."
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:26 PM
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8. Apparently the SS got to him! n/t
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Cornjob Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:27 PM
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9. Wait 'til Arlen has to decide whether or not to...
support labor issues at odds with his boss.

It was AFL-CIO and USWA votes in PA that got him elected over Hoeffel.

He's about the only PA Republican in my memory to have received official endorsement from labor.

10 - 1 odds he will cave to the wishes of his neocon bretheren.

The man is a walking, talking weasel!

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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:51 PM
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10. Sounds like Specter got his ball crushed
Must have been a challenge to backtrack this fast with his ball in his throat. Sounds like Cheney had a little chat with Arlen. Welcome to 2005 and beyond.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 08:55 PM
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11. I haven't seen someone flounder like that since, Stephen Furst
:-)
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:34 PM
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12. Moderate republicans have better get
Edited on Thu Nov-04-04 09:35 PM by madaboutharry
used to the closed door. When are they going to wake up and see that they are not welcome in the republican party? They are such wannabees.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 11:19 PM
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13. In fact no
I think it may be the conservatives who are outgunned eventually.

The moderates all voted for Bush because they wanted to keep the White House, but the conservatives are in a minority in the Congress. One of the reasons that we were able to defeat some moderates in Congress, was that they were voted into office in moderate districts, but they voted along with Bush and the conservatives in the House in order to keep ranks in Washinton, In essence they had gone Washington and they did not vote in a way that their constituency would approve of. When their support or radical, extreme right issues were exposed, they lost their seats.

This is important because I beleive that it is the Republicans who will be split during this next four years, while the Democrats will be able to consilidate their strength and take over a number of Republican seats in 2006. In many areas of upstate New York, many districts that had an large advantage in registered Republicans suddlely switched over to having far more democrats registered in their counties. When those seats some up in 2006, republicans will lose them. There are not enough republican voters there to hold them. And 2006 being a non-presidential election year will allow this to happen. I think we will see a repeat of the Barack Obama trend in northern states and all those that Kerry won in the Midwest and Northeast. Many, many republicans in Kerry states will be unseated, as we show how they voted on the extreme side of the republican party, rather than the moderate side that these communities expect.

More important, with the right candidate we will easily be able to unseat every Republican Governor in the Northeast and Rust Belt states that went for Kerry. This election may have given Bush a mandate, but it cost him the support of over fifty five million Americans all concentrated in their own areas. Any moderate Republican who supports the neo-cons will lose their seats in communities where moderates reign. We will have to look at Senate seats as well, as this year most of the replacements were in the south, while in 2006 we will likely be looking at seats in the Northeast. Bush will find that he is not goin go have very much sucess in winning the support of those who voted against him and given the changeover in many communities where Republicans have losst their voter stregnth, there is little that they will be able to do to retain those seats.

Lets look at who is going to be toast in 2006...

Pennsylvania, a state that went Democrat in an enormous way this year:

Rick Santorum is up for Re-election. Rick is toast in the Senate after the super Democratic Turnout in PA. Perhaps we could put up the Current Governor for the seat.

Mississippi...Trent Lott. Thougth this state went for Bush, the final vote was far closer than the polls indicated. Lott will likely retire, but more likely will face stiff opposition from the extemely popular Attorney General of the state, Mike Moore.

Moderate Olympia Snowe will probably lose a primary in her State of Maine, because the Neo-Cons want to replace this extremly moderate Republican with a much more conservative one. Given Kerrys win of Maine, the right Democrat wil take the Seante seat form this state.

A BIG factor in 2006 will be that during this year, the ultra crappy Medicare presciption drug bill comes into effect. Given the fact that less than ten percent of those elegible for the early drug cards actually too the government up on the deal, it is unlikely that the fully implemented plan will do much better. If this plan fails to get at least half of those eligible to take part in it, it wil be considered a Republican failure, and those members of the House andSentate up for re-election will be out.

Possible Voter Backlash Feared on Drug Benefit Measure
08/03/03 | Source: Washington Post | By: Helen Dewar

Only a few weeks ago, enactment of a Medicare benefit for prescription drugs looked like a big winning issue for next year's campaigns, and lawmakers worried mainly about punishment from voters if they failed to act. Now, with voters responding skeptically to details of bills approved by the House and Senate, lawmakers have another concern: punishment if they do act.

Disenchantment, especially over what critics regard as the skimpiness of benefits, could turn the issue from a plus to a minus in the 2004 presidential and congressional campaigns, according to some lawmakers and political strategists.

And, more immediately, if the skepticism deepens, it could add to the complexity of already difficult negotiations to resolve differences between the two measures that are scheduled to begin in earnest when Congress returns after Labor Day.

In a worst-case scenario, President Bush and lawmakers of both parties could wind up being blamed by voters, whatever they do. They could be blamed either for failure to pass a bill or for passing a bill that falls too far short of voters' expectations, a description that appears to fit the bills passed by the House and Senate last month.

http://www.ourfuture.org/issues_and_campaigns/medicare/national_news/08_03_03_wp.cfm

I don not have a list of House seats up for re-election in 2006, but I anticipate that there are a site more that will be opening up than we anticipate, many int the northeast.

The polarization of the nation is obvious after this election. In the next two years, Bush's war in Iraq and the body bag count will most certainly have an effect on the House seats. Bush will try to avoid a draft if possible before the 2006 elections, but the situation in Iraq and the lack of replacement military, will give him no alternative. The rate of enlistment in both the services and the national guard is only at 70 percent of expected figures.

We have to start thinking of 2006 and start thinking now, while the neo-cons and traditional republicans start pickling each other off.
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:09 PM
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18. I share your views
I cannot tell you how many times I have heard conservatives and Republicans say that they had to "hold their nose and vote for Bush" this term. I even know life long Republicans who voted for Kerry this year. I'm talking Nixon Republicans who voted for Kerry! Even my brother, who's probably never voted for a Democrat in his entire life, voted for Kerry this year.

It is my theory that the Republican party is going to eat it's own in the next few years. The religious right is demanding the services that it has paid for and I don't think that Bush & Co. have any intention of fully paying up. This will cause massive friction between them. He will try to give them something to make them happy, this will anger moderate Republicans. All the while, the spending will continue, the deficit will keep rising, the war and economy will unfortunately get worse and the American people will get more and more dissatisfied with their lot in life.

I have been upset and angry that we did not win this election, I am horrified when I think about the damage the four years is going to bring. What we need to do now is minimize that damage and use it against Bush & Co. to make sure that something like this doesn't happen again. I think there is an opportunity to make that happen, if we think positively and stay true to our core ideals.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 11:54 PM
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15. Slapdown
I think I'll e-mail my senator to rub it his nose in it a little more. I may as well take out my rage on him plus I need to do something to get me out of this ugly mood.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:14 AM
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16. Republicans know how to play hardball - they will destory their own
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 12:14 AM by Democat
But we let Zell Miller just destory us without any retribution at all.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:23 PM
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17. The Best thing I ever heard said about specter...
...was said in the early '70's by a Philly judge named Lisa Richette.

"He's a little nixon!"

My moving from PA to Maine hasn't dampened my contempt for the little weasel one little bit!
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:12 PM
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19. Specter gave us Clarence Thomas
He may have helped defeat Bork, but he took on Anita Hill and allowed Thomas to be confirmed. Specter seems like a wild card, but with the repub advantage in the senate it will be tough to stop a SCOTUS nominee. Ask Daschle how it feels be painted as an obstructionist in a red state. Also, the judiciary committee will 11-8 repubs and the make up of the committee is very conservative. Specter will fall in line with AWOL or he will be toast in his own committee.
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