WP: 'It's a Victory for People Like Us'

[kskiska]

Bush Emphasis on Values Drew Ohio Evangelicals

SHEFFIELD LAKE, Ohio -- Here on Redwood Drive, in the little house with the white picket fence, these first days after the election are good days, happy days, blessed days.

"Dear Lord," Cary Leslie is saying for the sixth time since waking up at 3:45 a.m. to go to work. He has prayed for strength not to hit the snooze button on the alarm clock. He has prayed for a safe day for his wife and three children. He has prayed for patience with the foul-tempered customers he deals with at the car-rental counter. He has prayed for a job that will pay enough for a struggling family of five to keep up with the bills. He has prayed for a quick resolution to the presidential election. And now, with the election decided, he is thanking God for listening to his prayers

Tara Leslie, Cary's wife, has been praying for President Bush, too, and now she is saying, "I think it's so important to have a society of moral absolutes."

"It's really good to know our country had a decision to make, and there are so many people who feel this way," Cary says. "It's a victory for people like us."

The Leslies: They are George W. Bush votes come to life. The millions of voters who describe themselves as "white evangelicals," 77 percent of whom voted for Bush? That's the Leslies. The voters who said "moral values" was the single issue that mattered most to them, 80 percent of whom voted for Bush? That's the Leslies, too.

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[Mz Pip]

1. People who think of society

in terms of moral absolutes scare the sh*t out of me.

It isn't the role of government to regulate moral absolutes.

MzPip
:dem:

[Danmel]

4. Scary

We are just so fucked. All these peole out there- they watch Fox, they home school- they read nothing. It's just gonna get worse and worse. It's like the middle ages.

[54anickel]

11. They don't watch Fox, they stay tuned to the Christian station all day and

night. It's where they get all their news from. EVer watch that crap - pretty scary.

[Crunchy Frog]

38. And from Christian hate radio.

I spent 2 years with my car radio tuned to one of those stations, just so I could try to understand how these lunatics think. That is some really scary stuff, and the radio is packed with it.

[54anickel]

60. Yep, I tune in to both occasionally. They are actually pretty good

at selling this "stuff". The old "we have become a Godless society". They love to revise history and tell you what the founding fathers of the country really meant. :eyes:

[w13rd0]

7. They need the government to legislate moral absolutes...

...because the god they worship (Mammon I'd say) is too much of a pansy ass to protect them from temptation.

[Anakin Skywalker]

21. Also Because...

They have weak-will and no mental discipline to resist "bad" things and so they want Big Brother John (Asscroft, and whoever his successor will be) to watch over them. But the rest of us have to suffer for that, of course, because whatever they legislate will not affect just them.

[Catchawave]

24. This makes me wonder what the preachers

were screaming from their pulpits last Sunday?

No offense to God, but I hate religious fanatics. Just pass the kool aid and let me get it over with.

[Born Free]

46. We are dealing with a "Cult" like following of the bush coward

These people have been brainwashed much like the Moonies did back in the 60's , they receive their brainwashing by multiple sources every day. It's as scary as the sci-fi movie ( the body snatchers?) where aliens replace human bodies with aliens, you can see them but they all think the same - none and do independent thinking. The GOP are using a simple yet slow proces of stealing more and more each electon, stealing votes to pick off people in key areas to get the backing they need, time is on their side, they are doing it over multible elections to avoid suspicion. reasonable thinkers must take a close look at the entire process. We need Michael Moore to do a couples ivestigation of the process and point out how the last few elections have so many unexplainable results.

[demjomr313]

74. i agree -

and as crazy as it sounds to the righties - you can SEE IT IN THEIR EYES

[Mad_Dem_X]

79. They are a cult that can't think for themselves

God help our country.

On edit: I love the phrase "moral absolutes." There ARE no moral absolutes, Dumb@ss.

[LynnTheDem]

2. And murdering 100,000 innocent people is "moral". Invading nations is

"moral".

Lying, cheating, stealing, war profiteering is all "moral".

Depriving the poor & homeless of food & shelter is "moral".

These oh-so"moral" people can take their "morals" and shove them. I don't want ANY part of their kind of "morals" and NEITHER DOES JESUS.

[wildwww2]

61. Jesus has been dead for 2000 years. And he is not coming back

to fix the mess that pukes like Bu$h have made. In the name of Jesus himself. Sorry if you do not believe that. But there is no doubt in my military mind that it is true.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[kskiska]

3. This guy has lost income because of *, too.

He has to deliver pizzas at night. He went from $55,000 to $35,000. Doesn't blame *. Just prays.

[notadmblnd]

8. he must be doing something wrong. GOD is not rewarding him

he better change his evil ways or he'll miss the rapture.

[Still_Notafraid]

18. Me to

I deliver Pizzas at night to supplement my income, my tips have gone down dramatically in the last 4 years,also gas prices have affected me as well,I am making around 10,000 less a year from delivery then i was in 2001

The 90's were great for me in this second job,have been doing it in the same area and location for 9 years now.also lost my health insurance 2 years ago.

Its not just bush its the repubs in this state they tried to cut teachers health insurance here,this state is run by Social Darwinist.

[w13rd0]

5. Consider this...

...these people apparently believe that "Kerry kills babies". These are the same kind of whackos that blow up buildings and kill doctors. For them, in their deluded minds, participating in electoral fraud is FAR less morally repugnant than not doing so. These are fanatics, extremists, willfully ignorant and operating completely independent of reality.

A truck taking ballots from the polling center to the central elections office, just a quick detour, and they've done a "grand work" as a soldier in the army of Jesus. And consider the rewards they think they'll recieve, as demonstrated in this article of wall to wall looniness.

[demjomr313]

72. and they do it so calmly -

like the soldier priest or whoever he is - that stands outside of the clinic EVERY saturday morning - with his even, steady pace and his awful signs - what makes them so credible?

[rockydem]

6. The Leslie's 'moral values' aren't exactly what I'd call absolute

George can cozy up to his Texas Enron buddies and not get called for it by these idiots. To these people moral values = abortion and gay marriage, and that's about it.

Corporations can pollute the environment and lie and cheat and they won't call out their leaders for supporting them.....

[KoKo]

13. Jesus said "suffer the little children to come unto me." These people

see Bush as a Jesus figure. They know they are innocents. They don't read anything that would expose them to Enron, or Wall St. Crooks. They don't know anything about the "Environment" other than it rains too much sometimes...or sometimes it's dry for too long.

They are innocents. We shouldn't condemn them. We can't educate them as to what's going on. We have to protect them, because protecting them, protects us all... JMO, here.

[proReality]

26. How do we protect them from themselves? n/t

.

[Furity]

31. I really don't want to

It would be a shame if "Mr" lost his job. He'd have lots more time to pray.

Sorry, I'm being bad, but I hope that that the new Bush economy zaps folks like this right in the butt.

~Furity

[smirkymonkey]

32. They are willfully ignorant is what they are. They are by no

means innocent.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968)

[MisterP]

33. how very Revelations-like: perhaps the "Mark" is more of an allegiance?

[Aviation Pro]

9. Hope and prayer....

...are never methods. I offer my sincere hope that nobody in that family ever gets sick, that the sole income earner does not lose his job, and that they don't condemn their children to a life of blissful ignorance and slavery.

These kinds of evangelicals are not normal and they are flying on a wing and a prayer.

[Fovea]

37. These kinds of evangelicals are not normal

By that do you mean that they are not normal evangelicals, or normal in the sense of sane?

Sadly, I have met quite a few evangelicals like this. One of my old bosses had a low level management position and 9 kids.

God told him to be fruitful and multiply. But he did not tell him how to feed his brood. He has no plans to help any of his kids with college.

[Crunchy Frog]

39. I offer my sincere hope

that everyone in that family comes down with a horrible, expensive, painful and potentially fatal disease and that they have to cope with it with no insurance and minimal income.

Try praying that away.

[Skittles]

10. OMG

these are the kind of people who voted for that piece of shit? F***ing scary.

[rfkrocks]

12. Its the God of the old testament only

peace, love, compassion are all lost-you are right it is just Guns and Gays out there-as a Christian Dem I see so much ignorance in these people-where would Jesus be in the year 2004 if he physically walked in America?-He would be in the streets with the poor or the outcast gay-we are a country of white washed tombs-clean on the outside-rotting corpses on the inside-so much hate and arrogance on the right-Pride and arrogance before the fall-I pray too-that our Nation becomes peaceful and humble and a "good neighbor" like FDR said..but I guess I am not like the Leslies and I believe their stance is immoral-whats next? witch hunts for gays-this country is perverted not by Gay rights but by its arrogance and that I believe God will judge harshly

[WillyT]

47. Yeah... Doesn't That Make Them Jewish, LOL ???

I've always wondered about people who claim to be Christian, but totally worked from the Old Testament. Wasn't the covenant of Christ's birth, the New Testament???

:shrug:

[kodi]

14. they offer up their corporeal pain to the Lord as righteous offerings

hopefully we can convince them to go to their basements and beat themselves with chains for the love of jesus instead of voting next time.

[Cha]

15. "people like" you are a Scourge on

society. And it's a very empty victory..whoop it up while you can ..cause Democracy is going to Blow back into town when you least expect it~

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

16. My sister died because of her beliefs in "moral absolutes"

Had a huge sore on her left breast that she ignored for months because she said "God will heal it." Her husband, a stupid cracker ignoramus, either didn't notice it or didn't care enough to do anything about it. When it burst open and bled profusely and she had to be rushed to the hospital and was diagnosed with Stage III-B breast cancer, it was too late. God helps those who HELP THEMSELVES.

[Still_Notafraid]

19. when they

are sick god heals them,but when they die even when they think they are healed it was gods will.

its hard for knowledge to compete with a simple answer to everything in such a lazy 5 second attention span country.

[shanti]

20. that reminds me of a coworkers's SIL

she has been diagnosed with advanced uterine cancer and refuses treatment because "jesus will take care of her" and fanatically buys herbs to treat this! her SIL's mother has had a bleeding breast cancer tumor for years for which SHE also refuses treatment. these are some very very ignorant people here!

[prolesunited]

78. Don't mock them

They are vanguards of Bush's new health care plan.

[Zero Gravitas]

17. He has prayed for a job that will pay enough...

But he voted for Bush anyway. Fool. There is no reaching these people. They have kissed reality goodbye and live in a fantasy land where bigotry is a "moral value". FUCK THEM. We can't reach out to them because they deny logic.

"People like us" are destroying this country, it is all over but the shouting, crying and dying. Once its all over I just hope that those that survive will be able to rebuild something that approaches the greatness that America represented before this lunacy took over.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

22. Excuse but why is * considered moral?

[Zero Gravitas]

23. they think he hates gays

these freaks think that their bigotry is "morality". Just like they think they are "Chrisitans" even though their actions and beliefs do not correspond to anything in the New Testament or "old school" Christian teaching. They are to Christianity what the Islamic Fundamentalists are to mainstream Islam.

For the record I am neither Christain or Muslim.

[girl gone mad]

53. So true.

And I wish we had more people out there saying exactly that instead of just Bill Maher.

[Efilroft Sul]

86. Treatment of gays is not a Red State/Blue State issue...

We liberals now have to couch our support for our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters as a Blue State/Grey State issue.

If we're going to go head-to-head with moral absolutists, we have to show how extreme they are, and how absolutely wrong they are. We have to portray their beliefs as a Grey State issue, as in the southern states' treatment of blacks. Grey states used the Bible to justify slavery, and now the new Grey states use religion as their foundation to justify discrimination against gays and lesbians.

This point of view might cost us elections at first; the cause of the abolitionists wasn't popular at first, either. But this comes down to a matter of equality, and on this topic we must not yield. Gays and lesbians have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. To deny them such is un-American.

Equality must be our cause. The line must be drawn. The battle must be fought. We must fight for our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters as hard as our abolitionist ancestors did for blacks.

[DBoon]

91. We are fighting the battles of the Enlightenment all over again

We are fighting for liberty, equality, and fraternity and the rights of man (humanity).

[proReality]

25. I wish people like this...

would pick a state and all move there, form their own theocracy and leave everyone else alone to live their lives in peace. Their "morals" are based on religious dogma and have nothing to do with morals/ethics. I'm sick of them shoving their rigidity and ignorance down my throat.

[funnymanpants]

27. More mass media nonsense

The mass media says this election was decided on morality. So now they will bring you stories to emphasize that point, lest you forget.

I doubt the election was really decided in this way. I think the mass media is simplifying things.

[girl gone mad]

54. I live in a red state..

and I don't think so. I know a lot of these people.

[Steelangel]

28. It pissed me off when they praised to God like that...

Hypocrites :eyes:

[dhinojosa]

29. I pray that...what am I saying? I help myself and work hard...

I am cool with people praying, but you can't let it get in the way of learning, reason, logic, hard work, staying up late to get it done, being cunning, etc. That's what life is, and you are rewarded with such work.

These people are jokes, and they are helping in the destruction of our free society and don't even know it.

[smirkymonkey]

30. YOU are responsible for your own damn morals you dipshits!

Why on earth can't people take responsiblity for themselves in this country? Stupid gits.

[WCGreen]

34. These people live about three miles from me

Oh my fucking god....

[Fovea]

35. If they want a theocracy so much

why don't they move to Iran?

[Crunchy Frog]

36. Dear Lord

I think I'm going to be sick.:puke:

I hope all of those moral upstanding Christians get drafted or have kids that get drafted and get killed or maimed in Iraq, or whatever country * decides to invade next.

Damn, I feel like I'm living under the Taliban.

[Carolab]

40. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL

How's that for morals?

[NickB79]

43. I can top that

THOU SHALT NOT KILL, yet we've killed 100,000 in Iraq under Bush. Morality indeed.

[RamboLiberal]

41. What scares me is the home schooling

With lives so controlled and a social circle that does not extend outside the family and church I think the kids grow up in a bubble that never exposes them to ideas and thoughts broader than this bubble.

Then many of these kids will go to bible colleges or if they go to a wider public university with probably end up joining the Young Repukes. And note the trend we hear from them to protest "liberal professors".

It was the wider world that allowed me to expand my view beyond the bigotry of my father.

[xxqqqzme]

42. the arrogance of these christian wannabes

burns my brain....How they f*cking even dare 2 assume THEIR idea of morals is superior to mine. How fucking dare they impose THEIR 'morals' on me. Damn them all 2 hell - they can pray til their knees fall off. Pray, pray, pray for a simple answer 2 the complexities of the world Ignorant assholes destroying my country - how dare they?

I am self confessing 2 complete intolerance of willfully ignorant people. ZERO!!

[demjomr313]

76. reminds me of a comment -

... my brainwashed baptist mother-in-law (married TO the 'reverend') -
she said of her friend that died in WTC - "...what is most disturbing about *'s death - is that she didn't know god - she is not going to go to Heaven - and that is what disturbs me the most"

can anyone E-magine!?

[Obamarama]

44. Well, when the stupid fuck is done praying, he might consider....

Asking the Wizard for a brain.

[killbotfactory]

45. Bigots who believe Bullshit

That should be their 527 group's name.

[da_chimperor]

48. The Nazis had a society of moral absolutes too

and everyone knows how well that worked out.

[cleofus1]

49. sigh....

How do you fight mindlessness, when it is self induced and admired by 50% of the general public?

[KayLaw]

50. Karl Rove and the other Bushies

They must find this sort of thing delightful and hysterically funny.

[bullimiami]

51. LIES LIES LIES

the truth is they lost, the country soundly rejected the message of hate and embraced kerry.

THIS IS A COUP BY MASSIVE ELECTION FRAUD.
IT IS A MINDFUCK OF MASSIVE PROPORTION.

WE FIGHT IT OR AMERICA IS DEAD.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

55. Errrrrr... ummmm.... errrrrrr..... ummmmm I earned alot of political

capital.... by getting many many Americans to stand out in the rain for upwards of 10 hours to vote me out... (I was never voted in) so I have earned alot of political capital... and I'm going to spend it however I choose... that is my right, and you have no right to oppose me.

What a twit.

[bklyncowgirl]

52. These people are being used.

They are who they are, their beliefs are what they are. We're not going to change them by screaming that they are idiots.

They live in a closed world where very little of the outside world is allowed in. They have a radical agenda and believe that they are on the side of the Angels. They are a voting block that is easily manipulated. They will vote where they are told to vote. I've seen a little of this mentality with the Hassidic Jews in New York City. They are only a tiny part of the population but because they follow their leaders and vote as ordered they have an outsized influence on politics.

Perhaps our only chance to get at these people is to somehow convince them of the fact that their political leaders are using them shamelessly. We have to attack the Republicans on moral issues. I believe that the Bible has a few things to say about greed, lying and theft.

[cornermouse]

56. They are unlikely to listen unless you're "one of them".

[NJCher]

57. infiltrate

That's a job for a better actor than I, though.


Cher

[Habibi]

59. I've thought of that, too

and I could probably pull it off (I've been in the closet before). But to what purpose? What would my goal be?

[ElectroPrincess]

67. I'm behind enemy lines

Save for my spouse, I've always lived among right wing republicans within a militaristic atmosphere. I'm not a pacifist but a moderate democrat. All wars since WWII are shaky to not justified on my moral compass. Especially Vietnam and now Iraq.

The people I live among are not monsters but have a very warped sense of right and wrong. They only seek out news sources that back their biases. It's so hard to explain but after the age of 30 there's little hope of converting them from the "dark side."

THE ANSWER dear fellow DUers is for *US* to organize and set aside our petty differences.

Remember this all started with <cough> Newt's "contract with America." If we want to have a prayer (pun not intended) to reclaim our democracy from the corporate fascists, we MUST set aside our petty differences and "work together" like there's no tomorrow. There may not be one if these folks realize their agenda.

[AussieDave]

58. I read this and my heart sank

- it's precisely these mind-programmed people who are hurting themselves and their children and don't even realize it.

I wonder what they think of the notion of Christian charity - of other people struggling finacially as they are but are slightly worse off? The economy doesn't pick up because Bush doesn't really care about it - he has his precious second term now and can do as he pleases - all he has to do is say "the economy's strong and it's getting stronger" and "we're working real hard" as jobs are lost by the truckload and incomes decrease.

This guy is working long days and delivering pizza two nights a week - what if something happens to him - who will provide for his family - PRAYER ???

One can be pious AND thinking too - wanting to get ahead is NOT a sin.

[devinsgram]

62. Now, lets get this straight

if you lie, cheat and steal, you have good morals and that is what counts. OK, guess I have to make some changes in my life and start lying, cheating and stealing, than I will have morals.

[Spider Jerusalem]

63. It frightens me to know that there actually ARE people like this.

This is the twenty-first century. America is supposedly a civilised country. Yet there are people like this, who live their lives in the midst of superstition and myth. Seeing things like this makes me want to start looking at airline schedules.

[skippysmom]

64. This quote is telling:

"I don't blame President Bush for anything that's happened with my income," Cary says. Rather, he looks at Bush as someone who believes in "personal responsibility," which Cary believes in as well. Don't complain. Solve. "There are jobs out there," he says, and as tired as he might be on Saturday night as he drives the streets of northern Ohio, he can use that time to listen to worship tapes, to think, to pray and to remind himself of what the priorities of a good life should be.

To me, this encapsulizes why people vote against their economic interests. They have bought into the rhetoric of "personal responsbility" wholesale.

[HughBeaumont]

65. Comforting to know I live down the street from these tards.

The joke is, I'm not kidding. Avon Lake is right next door to Sheffield Lake, one of the poorest districts of Lorain County. SL is a white trash wasteland.

It's people like this in Ah-HIGH-Ah that delivered the "election" to Lancelot on a silver platter.

Morals must not include killing 100,000 Iraqis and Afghans. Nor must it include using America's young adults as bullet fodder to support Der Fuhrer's Oil Wars.

[llmart]

66. What a piece-of-shit article.....

This is all we're going to hear from here on in by the corporate media. Sappy stories about these so-called religious people. When you live in a dumbed down country, this is the sort of pablum the press writes. They pander to it. It's like all the shows on PAX TV.

[flobee1kenobi]

73. so the loss of take home pay

as just one of those things? WTF?
If my paycheck suddenly goes down by 10 bucks, im going to find out why,when,where,who-then fight to get it back!!!
If I should lose my 50k/yr job and have to replace it with 2 20k/yr jobs-I will not call it a fucking act of god, or progress!

[atommom]

68. Reminds me of the car I saw a couple of weeks ago...

It was rusted out, belching smoke, and obviously on its last legs. There was a pizza delivery sign strapped to the roof. It was being driven by an angry-looking man who was at least 35. And it was plastered with B/C '04 stickers. :eyes:

The biggest stroke of genius the neocons had was convincing people like this to vote against their own interests in the name of "values."

[cubsfan forever]

84. Perhaps a good response

would be "Hungry? Eat Your Bumper-sticker."* Bless you for supporting democracy. No one blames brave and hard working people like you for the theft of the election by your state's fascists in power. Take care

Professor 2

* That would be a great bumper-sticker. Maybe someone should market it out there in Ohio.

[Sara Beverley]

69. They (RW evangels) built a monster just so they could kill it!

Most of these folks don't even realize how they are being used. The gay marriage issue was the monster those in control created just so they could slay it using these funddie fools.

http://www.yuricareport.com/

Everyone, please go to this site and read everything that is there.

"The man who doesn't read has no advantage over the man who can't"

[0007]

81. What's the answer? Another big food fight?

[Mountainman]

70. We have to have the American Taliban in power for the majority to see

how bad things can be. It's like telling a little kid to not touch a hot stove or they will get burned. They have to get burned before they know what you are talking about. America has to get burned before enough of us learn what a "moral" society means.

I don't like it anymore than anyone here but it has to be done. I only hope that someday the country will recover from this nightmare. I will probably be dead by then but the young people of today have a real job ahead of them. If they don't start getting more involved they will remain under the thumbs of these folks.

In my time we fought against this but now we are up against something much more powerful that what we had to fight against. Us boomers are going to fade away in the next couple of decades. In a way I'm glad I am as old as I am. I don't want to live in the America the right is building for us. I don't see anything that can stop it from happening now that the right has all the power.

[mutius]

71. People like you

Did you pray for the poor this morning. did you pray for people out of work. did you pray for 100,000 Iraqis who have been killed. Bush is an angel of light in the last days many shall come in my name and deceive many. Jesus was talking to the church. Bush is a liar. Fact all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. Fact Bush is prideful. Pride cometh before a fall. How about the divorce rate in the church, how about 73% of Americans live together. How about all this rich evangelical preachers who help no one in time of need.
Listen to you in your Utopia everything was about you nothing about the rest of the darn country that is suffering. Not to leave out, Bush is a thief. he stole the surplus, our money gave it to the rich and gave them a big tax break so the would not have to pay a big tax on the surplus he stole. Did you pray for those who do not have health care, oh Jerry Falwell pay for someones operation. did he pray that Bush and Chaney would get saved. Kerry quoted scripture during the debate Bush could not quote one. This man is no more saved than the man in the moon.:puke:

[cubsfan forever]

82. Eloquently said!

Unfortunately, it would go over their heads, because they "believe."
Whatever that is supposed to mean. The cure for ignorance is education-which they passionately reject. There is no cure for stupidity. Wonder what their response will be when their ignorant "rapture" children are drafted and sent to die in one of their "Moral Man's" wars. They prayed for this horrendous mess in order to be able to flaunt their "holier than thou" stupidity.Let them take personal responsibility for once and clean up the mess themselves. Let them scream; let them suffer; and let them die. I have NO sympathy for them.

Professor 2

[mutius]

75. People Like You Act II

If heaven had people like you there I would rather go to hell. Don't get mad just think about what I said.

PS
The rich man asked Jesus what must I do to inherit eternal life. Jesus said sell everything you have give it to the poor and follow me. the rich man went away sad because he couldn't do it. Think Bush could do it. If Jesus was here today he would be a Democrat and the Bush administration would attack his character just like they did Kerry. The church has failed and now you want democracy to save the world. We came to this country to get away from people like you.:think:

[ElectroPrincess]

77. Very well put Mutius! And a warm welcome to DU :-).

[mutius]

80. Thanks! Its good to be apart of DU

[0007]

87. Welcome Home!

[cubsfan forever]

85. A warm welcome to DU, mutius! n/t

Professor 2

[mutius]

88. Thanks good to be aboard

[74dodgedart]

83. These people are being used..

Rove\Bush cater to whoever will get them elected.

[PROUDNWLIBERAL]

89. Breeding

These people are allowed to Breed---Jesus Christ!!!!
They have three kids---want a fouth and they are having trouble making ends meet. Think they have health care or any money in the bank for their kids education. I say let them suffer---and rot in Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cubsfan forever]

93. How "un-Christian" of you to say that

And so TRUE! To paraphrase Jesus: "Idiot rapture Ohioans, heal thyselves!"

Professor 2

[jokerman93]

90. How long before

How long before the value of "unsaved" lives in America becomes as cheap as those in the holy city of Falluja?

[young_at_heart]

92. They are saying the Bushites are "people like us"

How many people out there really think Bush is overflowing with "moral" values?

[LibDemAlways]

94. Message to Cary and Tara Leslie:

I posted something similar on another thread, but it's worth repeating here.

Cary, you will soon be getting up at 3:45 AM to board a military plane bound for Iraq. Your job will have been outsourced, your health insurance lost, and you will join the Army because you've run out of options and bill collectors are hounding you. I know you were looking forward to a vacation in the desert. I'm sure Iraq wasn't what you had in mind. Tara, you'd better keep praying that you keep your girlish figure because you're going to need it when you shove your ass into hot pants and your feet into a pair of go-go boots. You'll be displaying your "moral absolutes" nightly at some strip club on the edge of town in order to make ends meet. Don't worry about dancing in front of strangers, though. I'm sure you'll be surprised to see how many of your neighbors - particularly the good Republican churchgoing ones - are dropping by for a peek. Pray, too, that when you get home, there isn't a man in uniform waiting by the front door to tell you something.

Have a good four years, you two. You will reap what you have sewn.

[johnnyrocket]

95. This is the most amoral president in history! Liar, corrupt...

violent, bloodthirsty. He's changed religious 4 times, only after turning born again at the age of 40, and doesn't go to church.

"white evangelicals" are the stupidest, most gullible, most ignorant, most dangerous people on the planet.