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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:18 AM
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This is LBN . "VIDEO GAME GENERATION" getting ready to wipe out
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 12:20 AM by anarchy1999
Fallujah. We have to stop this action. This is a crime.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6409561/

The Associated Press
Updated: 4:40 p.m. ET Nov. 4, 2004NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq - With weapons drawn, U.S. Marines dove through blown-out windows of an abandoned building near the insurgent stronghold Fallujah, searching for gunmen.

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This time it was training. Soon, it may be for real, as Marines prepare for a showdown against Sunni Muslim fighters in Fallujah, the focus of Iraqi resistance.

“I know this is the video game generation,” a Marine instructor bellowed at troops during urban warfare drills. “And what you see when you’re playing ‘Medal of Honor.’ well, the same thing you see there is what will keep you alive outside.”

U.S. commanders who hope to quell Iraq’s insurgency before nationwide elections in January say Fallujah has become a main planning and staging center for violence and needs to be brought under control. But they also stress the order to attack must come from Iraq’s interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:19 AM
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1. Babe, hate to tell you this
but were just a focus group. It's not in our hand, but we will all pay for it later. Somehow.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:20 AM
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2. That's wrong though
It is in our hands if we take it into our hands.

We cannot allow this to happen.

We can get on the phone to the media. Something. Anything. We have to stop this nightmare.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:23 AM
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3. OH yeah its wrong
but it's going to happen. This adminstration only surrounds itself with same thinking type people. We are fringe.

Give it a try, prove me wrong.

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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:26 AM
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6. If noone else stands up and does something...
and my attepts to get in contact with media to try and get focus on this (not holding my breath..) I am going to "give it a try". I for one cannot bear to have the deaths of anymore civilians on my conscience.

I will not be like those Germans after WW2 "There was nothing we could do - we were just swept up in the frenzy".

Fuck that!
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drhilarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:28 AM
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8. We tried on 11/2/04. Nobody else cared.
I will fight, but on domestic issues now. This war is going to be long and ugly, and the people will tolerate it until they are practically drowning in blood. And I fought for those civilians in Iraq too. Nobody cared. Do you expect them to? They don't even give a damn that their own children are dying in a war based on lies, why would they give a damn about a stranger's children? We tried to wake them up, they didn't listen. Some lessons are only learned through hardship.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:32 AM
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10. So you are just giving up?
Can you really do it?

Do you just not care that we are going to go down in the history books next to Nazi Germany?
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Furity Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:32 AM
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11. Tried that already
Remember all the good folks marching in the streets prior to the Eye-Ra-KE invasion? The "focus groups". Yes it is wrong, but there is nothing we can do to stop it. Sorry for all mankind.

~Furity
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:24 AM
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4. I am not a focus group. Nor are my friends. Talk to Rahul, to Hadi,
to Farid, to oh so many others. We have failed so miserably. I am ashamed and I am fearful for all of us.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:24 AM
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5. It's just like xbox...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:28 AM
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7. Buy the game and get the doll free
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:29 AM
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Why are you duping yourself?
In the DU sense. I don't get it.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:34 AM
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14. Because it is up to us to save this town. It's that important.
n/t
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:29 AM
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9. dupe with actual title
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:33 AM
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12. I started it. It is not a DUPE! THERE CAN NOT BE ENOUGH THREADS
TO SAVE FALLUJAH!

From RiverBend- Fair Use

Some Terrorists...
The sky has been overcast these last few days. It’s a smoggy, grayish combination of dust, smoke and humidity. I guess it has matched the general mood in many ways- somewhat dark and heavy.

I’ve been very worried about Falloojeh. So worried, in fact, that I find it hard to sleep at night, wondering how the situation will unfold in that troubled area. Things are bad in Baghdad, but they are far worse in Falloojeh. Refugees have been flowing out of the area for weeks now. They’ve been trying to find havens in Baghdad and the surrounding regions.

I met my first Falloojeh refugees last week. One of my aunts was feeling a little bit under the weather and the phones in her area were down, so we decided to pay a brief visit after breaking the fast in the evening. As we pulled our car into her driveway, I discerned strange, childish voices in the garden. Since my aunt has only an eight-year-old daughter, S., I assumed the neighbors’ children were over to play.

S. tripped over to the car and helped open the door. She was jumping with excitement and pleasure at so many guests. I glanced towards the garden, expecting to see children but besides a big palm and a couple of rose bushes, I couldn’t see anything. “Where are your friends?!” I asked, pulling out the Iraqi sweets we had brought for my aunt. She looked over her shoulder and smiled, pointing to the palm tree. I squinted at the tree in the dark garden and glimpsed a small head and a flashing pair of eyes, which quickly disappeared. I nodded sagely and called out, “Hello, palm tree!” S. giggled as the palm tree softly replied, “Hello.”

“It’s fine,” S. called over her shoulder to the garden, “You can come out- it’s only my cousin and her parents!” We walked towards the house and S. continued her prattling. “Mommy is feeling much better. We have guests today. Well, we had them from yesterday. They are my friends. They’re daddy’s relatives… they don’t have to go to school but I do.”

The living room was in commotion as we entered it. The television was turned on high to some soap opera and mixed with the shouts of an Egyptian soap star was an infant crying, a mother ‘shushing’ it, and my aunt and her husband discussing the fate of telephone line which had been dead for the last four days. The woman with the infant suddenly rose as we entered the room and made way for the door leading to the hallway.

After the initial greetings and salams, my aunt rushed out of the room and came back in with the very reluctant woman and her baby. “This is Umm Ahmed.” She introduced us and firmly sat the woman back down on the couch. “She’s from Falloojeh…” my aunt explained. “She’s my husband’s relative- but we never met before this.” She turned to give an encouraging smile to Umm Ahmed, who was looking somewhat like a deer caught in headlights.

The woman was tall and graceful. She was wearing a longish traditional ‘dishdasha’ (something like heavy, embroidered nightgown) and her head was covered with a light, black shawl that kept slipping back to reveal dark brown hair streaked with strands of silver. I tried guessing her age but it was nearly impossible- she had a youthful look about her and I guessed she was probably around 33 or 34. Her face, however, was pinched with strain and worry, and that, combined with the silver in her hair, made her seem like she was forty. She nodded at us nervously and held the infant tighter.

“Umm Ahmed and her lovely children are here until things are better in Falloojeh.” My aunt declared. She turned to my little cousin with the words, “Go get Sama and Harith.” I assumed Sama and Harith were the children hiding behind the palm tree. A moment later, Sama and Harith, led by S. entered the living room. Sama was a delicate girl of about ten, while Harith was a chubby little boy who looked to be six or seven. They avoided eye contact and quickly ran over to their mother.

“Say ‘hello’,” Umm Ahmed urged quietly. Sama came forward to shake hands but Harith tried to hide behind his mother.

“What lovely children!” My mother smiled and pulled Sama in for a kiss. “How old are you, Sama?”

“Eleven.” Came the soft answer, as she went back to sit next to her mother.

“How is the situation in Falloojeh?” My father asked. We all knew the answer. It was terrible in Falloojeh and getting worse by day. They were constantly being bombarded with missiles and bombs. The city was in ruins. Families were gathering what they could and leaving. Houses were being demolished by tanks and planes. But the question had to be asked.

Umm Ahmed swallowed nervously and her frown deepened. “It’s quite bad. We left two days ago. The Americans are surrounding the city and they wouldn’t let us out using the main road. We had to be smuggled out through another way…” The baby began to whine softly and she tried to rock it to sleep. “We had to leave…” she said apologetically, “I couldn’t stay there with the children.”

“Of course you couldn’t.” Came my aunt’s firm reply. “That’s crazy. It’s suicide- the bastards aren’t leaving anyone alive.”

“I hope everyone is ok…” I offered tentatively. Umm Ahmed focused for a moment on me and shook her head, “Well, last week we buried our neighbor Umm Najib and her two daughters. They were sleeping when a missile fell in the garden and the house collapsed.”

“And my windows were broken…” Harith suddenly added, excitedly, then disappeared again behind his mother.

“The windows were broken and the front door was blown in. We were all ok because ever since the war we’ve all been sleeping in the living room.” Umm Ahmed explained, automatically, like she had told the story a hundred times. As she spoke, the baby’s fists went up into the air and it gave out a little cry. It was a welcome sound- the agonizing subject could be changed. “And is this Ahmed?” I asked, rising to look at the infant. My aunt was calling her “Umm Ahmed” which means, “The Mother of Ahmed”. Usually, the name of the eldest child is used as an informal way to speak with the parents. “Abu Ahmed” is “The Father of Ahmed”. I didn’t understand why she wasn’t, Umm Harith or Umm Sama, but since this was the last child, it must be ‘Ahmed’.

“No- this is Majid.” Sama answered my question softly. The baby looked about four months old and had a shock of dark hair, covered with what seemed at first sight to be a little white cap. His eyes were the same hazel color as his mother’s. I smiled down at Majid and noticed that the white thing on his head wasn’t a cap- it was a white gauze bandage. “What’s the bandage for?” I asked, hoping it was just to keep his head warm.

“When we were fleeing the city, we had to come in a pickup truck with two other families. His head got hit with something and there was a scratch. The doctor said that he has to keep the bandage on so that there won’t be an infection.” Her eyes filled as she looked down at the infant and rocked him a bit harder.

“Well, at least everyone is safe… you were very wise to come here.” My mother offered. “Your children are fine- and that’s what’s important.”

This phrase didn’t have quite the effect we expected. Umm Ahmed’s eyes suddenly flowed over and in a moment, she was crying freely. Sama frowned and gently took the baby from her mother’s arms, rising to walk him around in the hallway. My aunt quickly poured a glass of water out for Umm Ahmed and handed it to her, explaining to us, “Ahmed, her fourteen-year-old son, is with his father, still in Falloojeh.”

“I didn’t want to leave him…” The glass of water shook in her hands. “But he refused to leave without his father and we got separated last minute as the cars were leaving the city…” My aunt rushed to pat her back and hand her some tissues.

“Umm Ahmed’s husband, God protect him, is working with one of the mosques to help get some of the families out.” My aunt explained, sitting down next to Umm Ahmed and reaching to pull a teary Harith onto her lap. “I’m sure they’ll both be fine- maybe they’re already in Baghdad…” My aunt added with more confidence than any of us felt. Umm Ahmed nodded her head mechanically and stared vaguely at the rug on the ground. Harith rubbed at his eyes and clung to a corner of his mother’s shawl. “I promised her,” my aunt explained, “That if we don’t hear from them in two more days, Abu S. will drive out to Falloojeh, and he can and look for them. We’ve already left word with that mosque where all the refugees go in Baghdad.”

As I sat staring at the woman, the horror of the war came back to me- the days upon days of bombing and shooting- the tanks blasting away down the streets, and helicopters hovering above menacingly. I wondered how she would spend the next couple of agonizing days, waiting for word from her son and husband. The worst part of it is being separated from the people you care about and wondering about their fates. It’s a feeling of restlessness that gnaws away inside of you, leaving you feeling exhausted and agitated all at once. It’s a thousand pessimistic voices whispering stories of death and destruction in your head. It’s a terrible feeling of helplessness in the face of such powerful devastation.

So Umm Ahmed is one of the terrorists who were driven from the city. Should her husband and son die, they will be leaders from Al-Qaeda or even relatives of Abu Mussab Al-Zarqawi himself… that’s the way they tell the story in America.

It makes me crazy to see Bush and Allawi talking about the casualties in Falloojeh like every single person there is a terrorist lurking not in a home, but in some sort of lair, making plans to annihilate America. Allawi was recently talking about how the ‘peace talks’ weren’t going very well and a major military operation was the only option available. That garbage and the rest about Abu Mussab Al-Zarqawi is for Americans, Brits and Iraqis living in comfortable exile.

Allawi is vile and the frightening thing is that he will *never* be safe in Iraq without American military support. As long as he is in power, there will be American tanks and bases all over the country. How does he expect to win any support by threatening to unleash the occupation forces against Falloojeh? People are greeting refugees from Falloojeh like heroes. They are emptying rooms in houses to accommodate them and donating food, money and first-aid supplies.

Everyone here knows Abu Mussab Al-Zarqawi isn’t in Falloojeh. He isn’t anywhere, as far as anyone can tell. He’s like the WMD: surrender your weapons or else we’ll attack. Now that the damage is done, it is discovered that there were no weapons. It will be the same with Zarqawi. We laugh here when we hear one of our new politicians discuss him. He’s even better than the WMD- he has legs. As soon as the debacle in Falloojeh is over, Zarqawi will just move conveniently to Iran, Syria or even North Korea.

As for the ‘peace talks’ with Falloojeh- they never existed. They’ve been bombing Falloojeh for several weeks now. They usually do the bombing during the night, and no one is there to cover the damage and all the deaths. It’s only later we hear about complete families being buried alive or shot to death by snipers on the street.

By the way, Americans- 100,000 deaths in a year and a half, and the number is rising. Keep Bush another four years and we just might hit the half-million mark…

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:34 AM
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13. god help the citizens of Falluja....
U.S. Marines are about to commit a monstrous crime. It is only OUR NAMES that lend this horror legitimacy, and our names that will forever be associated with it.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:37 AM
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15. Thank you and that is why there are multiple threads. We have to stop
this, we just have to.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:46 AM
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16. We trried and just like yuo have been told
nobody outside of us cares, we are a focus group

There is more, try to get this to the mainstream media... they won't touch it

Yuo knwo when the people will START to care?

When little Johnny has to report to bootcamp because his number came up in the draft... when little suzzie comes home in a box, maybe with a flag... and for some of the EXTRME RIGHT WING, not even then... they will bury their children and praize Jeezzus (I have no problem with real christians by the way).

Trust me I know HOW YOU FEEL... but right now there is nothing I can do, or for that matter you can do, to stop this from happening... absolutely nothing.

Oh and wehn this is over with, maybe then the people in the governemnt will have to accelerate their draft notices because if this goes horribly wrong (for our side) we may loose the First MEU as a combat unit... and dong the math of death, we will need bodies to replace those troops... and it may very well be you.

right now I am feeling very angry at all of this, but at least I can tell a Bushbot, you wanted this... don't cry to me

Oh and things are bout to get much ugglier IN THIS COUNTRY than they have gotten... and there is nothing I can do about it, but to prepare myself.

There is nothing

There is nothing

There is nothing

And I feel for those peoole and Fallujah may become a modern day Guernica... but there is nothing I can do about it.

Why? The "Moral majority" only cares about one thing... SEX... you want to destroy a Pug, find him with a live boy or a dead girl, that's it, that is teh only thing they care about.

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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:04 AM
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17. you can start multiple threads
but not in LBN.

Locking.
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