NBC BREAKING:"NOT TELLING ALL THE TRUTH" EPA&NYC

[Katie]

What was known about post-9/11 air

Inspector general says
White House changed EPA statements about
safety at Ground Zero

NBC NEWS
Sept. 3 — Just days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the agency responsible for the environmental health of Americans declared the air and water safe in New York. But now, in her first interview since the release of a troubling report, the Environmental Protection Agency’s top watchdog says the agency didn’t have the facts when it said it was safe to move back to the neighborhoods near Ground Zero. And she’s pointing the finger all the way to the White House.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/961134.asp?0cv=CA01

No data for post-9/11 air safety

Interview with EPA Inspector General Nikki Tinsley

By Lisa Myers
NBC NEWS

Sept. 3 — The following is the transcript of NBC News’ Lisa Myers’ interview with EPA Inspector General Nikki Tinsley about Tinsley’s report charging that the EPA did not give full information to the public about the safety of breathing the air around the World Trade Center site in New York City after Sept. 11, 2001..

http://www.msnbc.com/news/961109.asp?0cv=CA01

How can Bush get away with this? And any ideas to how we can make sure he doesn't? This isnt "misleading" its out& out "lying"

[unblock]

1. fuck new york, they didn't vote for me!

prove me wrong, someone, anyone, please!

[BettyBoop]

2. HE WON"T

now. This is going to blow up in his face, just like Iraq.

He's going DOWN, DOWN, DOWN; He's going DOWN, DOWN, DOWN. - Bruce Springsteen

[diamond14]

29. Hi BettyBoop!!!!....welcome to DU, we're glad you showed up...

:hi: :hi: :hi:

:toast: :toast:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

:nuke:

[blm]

3. Don't forget to rate the article.

Bump it up.

[Cha]

5. duly rated! 7s!

[meti57b]

4. Is there anything the bush administration doesn't lie about.

[slor]

6. I hope those...

dirty fucking bastards burn in HELL!!!!!

[Cha]

8. "Hell" of their own Making!

[Bake]

24. Let me add:

I hope that particular hell includes breathing, for all eternity, the air of lower Manhattan on September 11, 2001.

Bake

[ozymandius]

7. WHEN! GODDAMMIT!

WHEN! has this administration ever done anything that benefitted either the quality or safety of the average individual? When has the Bush* administration ever done anything for anyone that was not a corporate constituent? A huge donor? A corporate criminal?

[kysrsoze]

16. Ummmm, when have they ever really had to answer to the lies...

other than being somewhat embarrassed?

Where is the prosecution, impeachment, etc? They've gotten away with EVERYTHING. I'm tired of watching all this B.S. It's about time our Congress and the judicial arm actually did something about this.

[GOPEC]

9. Does every story have to be cleared by GE, Westinghouse... before it gets

reported by a network?

From toostupidtobepresident.com last week:

Top 11 reasons the Dubya strong-armed the EPA into lying about air quality in NYC following the 9-11 attacks:

11. No one in the administration has ties to the air-filtration industry.

10. Testing Whitman's loyalty.

9. Two words: blue state.

8. Preparing to gut air quality standards anyway.

7. Tired of hearing how resilient New Yorkers are.

6. Planning to eliminate the EPA anyway.

5. Because the lying wasn't about sex, it didn't seem like a big deal.

4. The airborne compounds in New York are not nearly as lethal as the harmless ones produced by depleted uranium munitions in Yugoslavia and Iraq.

3. "If I don't get reelected, the terrorists win."

2. Anticipated need for diversionary scandal to obscure multiple larger scandals.

And the number one reason Dubya strong-armed the EPA into lying about air quality in NYC following the 9-11 attacks:

1. Habit.

[Katie]

21. Reason#12 Whitman isnt much of a "human being"

Not my quote, but Jimmy Breslin's & he's right on the money.

The Air Is Thick With Lies" Jimmy Breslin
http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-nybres243426639aug24,0,4593036.column

[Demobrat]

10. Lying? It's murder.

OK, this is it. Starpass (I think) had a thread today about why she thought W was done. I couldn't agree. But now I can. There is absolutely no way they can spin, excuse, or blow this off. They said what they wanted to say, what people wanted to hear, the easiest thing at the time, without the slightest regard for the humans involved. And their convention is there. Where's Hillary? What does she say?

[ozymandius]

11. Hillary

is trying to open an investigation into this matter.

[kysrsoze]

17. Really? Bush is done? Right.

I'm sorry, but I have little faith anymore that they "won't be able to spin this." Look at everything else. They've managed to brush it all away, perhaps with some red faces but that's all. Regardless, we now have the black-box voting machines.

[dflprincess]

40. I have more hope for this story sticking

After all, where do many of the media execs, anchors and reporters live? And if they don't live in Manhattan, they spend a lot of time there.

[Katie]

18. Demobrat you're right it is murder

Deliberately removing sections of an EPA report? To keep people in the dark, about the air and water? Inhuman. Thats all I can say. What about the children?

Here's Hillary's Link:

Hillary:"Now they should come to New York and face us" http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/nyc-epa0827,0,3724025.story?coll=ny-nynews-headlines

White House Mislead NYC.... EPA http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/nyc-epa0823,0,3199733.story?coll=ny-top-headli

She's trying, just hope people call her&schumer& nadler & any NY rep& tell them they support her call for an investigation.

[zbdent]

52. Medved, in another attempt at spinning for W, said the other day

that "Bush was trying to calm the fears of the people of NY."

Yeah. Breathe deeply the fine dust. Can't have images of New Yorkers walking around with a hankie over their mouths to keep from breathing toxic air.

[Starpass]

12. Wait--this story has been all over news last few days and I saw it

in Newsweek's new issue today. However, what you post above is a lying twist!!!!---whomever this person is is saying that they weren't given all the facts before they made their pronouncement, etc. (and then indicates she was also pointing to the WH). In all these other reports they OUTRIGHT say the EPA was strongarmed/ordered by Bush to lie. Sadly, this story is already an attempt to pull the old "we didn't know all the facts" shit. And that is typical Bush-speak.

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. They weren't give the facts

because they didn't collect the facts. The EPA knew they had a potential environmental disaster on their hands but just like NORAD they stood down. For three days after the attack, the EPA didn't even bother to take measurements. Excuse me?


"The first measurements of some of the contaminants weren't taken until September 14, while other contaminants were not measured until September 23... Because there are only limited data on these critical few days, exposures and potential health impacts cannot be evaluated with certainty for this time period." (No shit!)



http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncea/cfm/recordisplay.cfm?deid=54667

[Katie]

35. DoYouEverWonder....Exactly!

Not only not told the facts, but information & warnings deliberately deleted from the report.

[Homer12]

13. Reality

Reality is what Bush and the neo-cons says it is. We can all be dammed if we don't agree.

I agree, this whopper will get them in much hotter water becuase it's a slap in the face to the people of NY right after 9/11.

[proud patriot]

14. Pass these around folks

I also rated both articles

[Starpass]

15. Just a thought--wonder how this is going to play at his convention in NYC

along with the firemen and cops the repukes have screwed. I hope the cops stand back and let protesters surge.

[stevedeshazer]

19. My thought exactly

The Republican National Convention, in NYC in September 2004. HA HA HA HA HA HA!

<snip>



New York City to Hold 2004 Republican National
Convention
Chairman Racicot, Mayor Bloomberg Sign Site-City Agreement
at Ceremony in Washington; Governor Pataki, Mayor Giuliani
Offer Ongoing Support

WASHINGTON - Republican National Committee Chairman Marc Racicot and New York City Mayor
Michael Bloomberg today made history by officially making New York City the home of the 2004
Republican National Convention. The Chairman and Mayor signed a Site-City Agreement at a
ceremony following a unanimous vote by the 165 members of the RNC at their Winter Meeting in
Washington, DC.

The event marked the first time the Republican Party has chosen New York City for its national
convention. Governor George Pataki participated in the event by signing a letter expressing the State
of New York’s full support for the Convention. Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who will serve as
Co-Chair of the NYC Host Committee, attended the ceremony and offered his continued support to the
City and the Party.

<and>

“The Republican Party is thrilled to call New York City home to the 2004 Republican National
Convention. Though the competition for the Convention was intense, New York City provides us the
most outstanding backdrop to showcase our Party and our candidate for President in 2004. I thank
Mayor Bloomberg, and his staff; Governor Pataki; Mayor Giuliani and all the people of New York for
making this opportunity possible for our Party,” said Chairman Racicot.

From January 31, 2003, before the fall. source: http://www.rnc.org/Newsroom/Releases/Jan03/Convention013103.htm

By the way, do any of you all remember the RNC of 1992? It was a disaster for them. I can hardly wait.

[stickdog]

30. Suggested GOP Convention Theme Song:

Killing Me Softly

[Katie]

41. Starpass counter convention already being planned

cant wait.

[FubarFly]

20. Is anyone here from NY?

Are most New Yorkers outraged over this? If not, then why not?

[Katie]

23. FubarFly yes,but i think we need some outside help

Senator Clinton is trying, alot of other NY reps too, but bloomberg&pataki(mayor&governor)have been silent & you can bet they will cover bush's behind. People here upset, angry & concerned. I just wish everyone, regardless of their state, would call Hillary &offer their support for the investigation, she has called for.

Recent Poll:

Bush, Bloomberg
bashed in 9/11 poll


Mayor Bloomberg continues to get a dismal 33% approval rating, while 52% disapprove of his performance since he took office in 2002.
If the mayor runs for reelection in 2005, 19% of New Yorkers say they would vote for him, while 57% would vote for his Democratic opponent.


The federal government's handling of the environmental fallout from 9/11 also rankles New Yorkers.

"Fifty-five percent take the Bush White House to task for urging the Environmental Protection Agency in the days after 9/11 to present misleading assurances about air quality near Ground Zero."

In a striking turnabout, 56% of New Yorkers disapprove of the job President Bush is doing in the war on terrorism. A year ago, the numbers were reversed: Washington's war on terror enjoyed a solid 50% approval rating.

Few votes for Bush

The President has little hope of attracting new voters in New York in 2004, despite the draw of the Republican National Convention next summer.

Sixty-four percent of New Yorkers say they will vote for the Democratic candidate in next year's presidential elections.

more:http://nydailynews.com/front/story/114060p-102882c.html

Know there is a counter convention organizing against the republican NY 2004 convention. But thats not till next year.

[FubarFly]

25. Working on it now. Whatever I can do to help.

Contacting My Offices

Although mail delivery to the United States Capitol offices has resumed, the delivery process is still very slow and not yet back to normal. It is very important to me to hear from my constituents and I hope that you will not hesitate to share your thoughts and concerns with me. Until the mail process is more timely, the best way to contact me or my Washington, DC staff remains either by fax at [phone], phone at [phone] or by email.


Clinton, Hillary - (D - NY) Class I
476 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
[phone]
Web Form: clinton.senate.gov/email_form.html

[Katie]

31. FubarFly Thank You So Much!

Cant tell you how I appreciate this! Wish everyone would follow your example. Thanks again!

[Skittles]

38. Bless you New Yorkers

please know you are not the only ones angry about this; I am both angry and very concerned for New York and her people.

[americanstranger]

26. You're damn skippy we're mad.

And know this - people here are already planning to rain on Whistle Ass' parade. Check it:

http://www.rncnotwelcome.org

They are not going to enjoy themselves in NYC next year. Take it to the bank.

-as

[Nottingham]

27. I wonder how many thousands are being affected with this!

Like I said I wouldn't go down to Ground Zero thats for sure!

:bounce:

[grasswire]

28. we're told the standard is this...

...that a story isn't usually reported by other outlets until the AP has reported it.

That makes AP WH correspondent Ron Fournier the most powerful reporter in the country. With his alternate, Scott Lindlow, second.

However, don't get too thrilled about their power. Last year I wrote Fournier to urge him to cover the conflict of interest caused by the Bush family's profiting off war through the Carlyle Group. He wrote me back that he didn't know anything about the Carlyle Group, but he would "ask around."

Geez.

[Katie]

33. Nottingham.. "Toxins From WTC Disaster Harmed Fetuses"

Toxins From WTC Disaster Harmed Fetuses
Ground Zero Pollutants Caused Babies' Small Size

By Jeanie Lerche Davis
Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Tuesday, August 05, 2003
WebMD Medical News

Aug. 5, 2003 -- The toxic plume at the World Trade Center disaster may have caused growth problems in babies born to exposed mothers.

The Sept. 11, 2001, destruction of the World Trade Center released a toxic atmospheric plume that contained soot, benzene, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH), heavy metals, pulverized glass and cement, and alkaline particulates, writes lead researcher Gertrud S. Berkowitz, PhD, with the department of community and preventive medicine at Mt. Sinai.

http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/72/81540.htm

Nottingham, please note, you didnt have to be down at Ground Zero to exposed, it came to us, apartments, schools, office buildings, not to mention, 2 months of smoke coming off of Ground Zero, floating over the city & surrounding boroughs.

[Nottingham]

37. Thanks Katie for the article! Its Awful! I saw they had first case

of a Ground Zero Worker with Pnumonia from Asbestos exposure

and the pathetic part its still all there.

I told my Republican friend this and she heartlessly said New Yorkers will live in New York no matter what!

What totally astonished me is her sister doesn't live to far from ground zero!

What can I say but :crazy:

[Katie]

43. Nottingham YW & Republicans want NY'ers to keep quiet

Not going to happen, bush has taken a beating in the polls here, as he deserves. Your republican friend doesnt surprise me, its their form of "Compassionate Conservatism." Please tell her for me, I now trust bush about as much as I did his "Read My lips" Dad, & thats he's finished here. We have put up with alot here, his "trifecta jokes", his selling his 9/11 photo to make a profit for the GOP, his unwilligness to help the 9/11 families with an investigation, Blackout2003, our 1st responders unprepared for any attack, because there isnt enough of money because bush has yet to send what he promised in 2001, and now this. Enough.

There is something in New York called the "World Trade Center Cough" its affected thousands- here are the links:


City Struggles to Contend with Widespread WTC Cough
http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hsair292945980sep30,0,7139852.story?coll=ny-health-projects


Assessing The Scope Of WTC Ailments
http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-dstop2947197oct01,0,7388216.story?coll=ny-health-projects

Tell your friend, I envy her, her stupidity, I wish I could as dumb as she is, but no such luck. People had a right to know, especially for the sake of their children. Unfortunately we were never given a choice.

[VolcanoJen]

32. I just finished reading the Vanity Fair expose....

... of the Department of the Interior, a harsh, harsh criticism directed at Gale Norton, and, more specifically, the guy who really runs the department, mining industry wonderboy Stephen Griles.

According to the article, Christie Whitman left the EPA out of disillusionment in her duties. Rather than creating EPA policy and sending it to the White House for review, she found herself called into Cheney's office, where she was told exactly what to say and how to say it. This was not admitted by Whitman, a good soldier, but rather implied by off-the-record sources.

I suggest this disturbing article as a must-read for anyone concerned with the Bush Administration's assault on the environment. I was literally shaking in anger while reading the article. :grr: :mad: :grr:

Has anyone else read it?
- Jennifer

[Katie]

34. VolcanoJen Thanks for bringing Vanity Fair Article up!

Didnt even know about it! So glad you said something. Do u know what issue? Know Whitman left to "spend more time with her family". Too bad she didnt care about other people's families, when she did bush's bidding & lied to our faces.

[VolcanoJen]

39. Hi Katie!!!!

It's the Vanity Fair that has Prince William (England... Diana and Charles' eldest son, and future King of England) in a black-n-white photo on the cover. Most of the issue has to due with European Royalty, which is a pretty nauseating subject, imho. :-)

ON EDIT: It's the September 2003 issue!! :-)

However, buried deep within is the most scathing indictment of the Bush Administation's disastrous environmental policy that I have ever read. It's simply a must-read, and after reading it, you will be cocked-and-loaded for any argument against any Republican. It's shocking... I just cannot stress that enough, and luckily the article truly emphasizes the fact that very few Americans realize the extent of the danger we're in, vis-a-vis Chimpy.

I was so furious after reading the article that I practically went out looking for a fight!!!! Dammit... we have got to let American voters know what they're doing... it's a wholesale land-grab for polluting corporations, and it's practically sinful. Arrrrggghhhh! :mad:

Hope that helps... and if you can't find it on your newsstand, check out your local library.

[Katie]

44. Hi Jen !!!!

Thank you so much for responding & the info! I"ll get a copy tomorrow!~ Im just wondering, if I could get anymore furious than I now..lets see! grrrrrrrrrrrrr.. You're right, we have to get the word out! Bush is beyond disgraceful, he's inhuman. So glad he isnt coming here for 9/11. Too chicken to show his face! Cant wait to read the article. Thanks again!

[jumptheshadow]

36. It was much worse than they're saying

Even the more accurate news reports focus solely on the air quality at Ground Zero. What they don't tell you is that there was a breeze blowing from lower Manhattan straight into the heart of Brooklyn. The air became thick with smoke and ash. Your eyes burned and got watery. You sneezed the particulates out for days. The dust kept settling in your house for at least a week. There were probably millions of people affected by this smoke. The scope is so huge, however, that it may be years before the full damage of that day is quantified.

You can see how extensive the smoke was at the following link, although it does not show you how dense it was.

http://web.knoxnews.com/web/kns/news/breaking/wtc/700.html

[Nottingham]

42. AsBestos doesn't go away! It has to be cleaned up!

One small fiber floating in the air inhaled causes Pnuemian and Asbestosis Lung disease. We saw the first cases showing from the rescue workers. Even the NYC councilman on MSNBC admittted it wasn't cleaned up properly.

The WTC was filled with asbestos. No you guys are right its going to be horrible the lung disease NYC people are going to have!

:bounce:

[Katie]

45. that would have taken money,....

something bush was unwilling to do, its that simple. Maybe if an investigation is done, the cleanup will finally happen.

[ichiro99]

46. 'Asbestos'? Oh dear! ...

Imagine the costs of a legitimate demolition.

[ignatius]

53. That is a good point, I have also thought that the speed

with which the clean-up was done was very peculiar. The steel was sent to China in record time, even against protests from engineers and firefighters who wanted a thorough exaination of the "evidence."

My heart goes out to New Yorkers who have been through so much. Let's all keep on this story and continue working to get these nutcases out of our lives and bring on people of hope and vision.

I love New York!!!

[jumptheshadow]

50. Wow

I just realized that the image in this link documents the smoke before the towers fell. If I can work out some Photoshop issues I will post a picture that shows the cloud of smoke and debris from a closer view going directly into the populated areas of Brooklyn.

And we have hemmorhaged billions of dollars fighting our illegal war in Iraq while ignoring the problems we have here?

I can't understand why this is still so underpublicized.

[robbedvoter]

47. No one even asked Witman - FOR WEEKS after the story broke

They kept asking the current stooge - which tells you where the media is on this. I see W is staying in DC this year - if he thinks them "money-grubbing" New Yorkers (as they called us when asking for the PROMISSED 9.11 money) will forget this by next year, they don't know us very well!

[myrna minx]

48. Bush skipping New York 9/11 anniversary memorial

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=98331


Hmmmm...perhaps he doesn't want to breathe the air.....

[dennis4868]

49. How can Bush get away with this?

it's not a blow job from an intern therefore it does not effect peoples lives and money! Next story.....

[David__77]

51. This must be the story of THIS 9/11 anniversary: the wronged victims.

The rights of the victims must be upheld. They have breen wronged by the Bush administration. Chronic illness is the result for many, all because the Republicans in Washington put corporations before people's lives.

What a telling contrast to the "Bush bump" last year.

[Unknown Known]

54. Watch Hillary on this

as she WILL get a Senate investigation on this and it will lead right to the WH!! I watched her on CSPAN go over point by point on how the WH deceived NYers on the air quality after 9/11.

I predict this will be a BIG story to watch closely in 2004!

[SideshowScott]

55. The GOP have alot of nerve to have the Convention in NYC

After Cutting funds for NYC after the tragedy
Closeing down Firehouses
Now he bush team putting the screws to the EPA to lie about the air quality
The NYC Republican National convention is nothing more that one big Horray for 9/11 for the republican party..
They revolt me

[Fovea]

56. I would not be surprized if the Repub convention

turns out to be the mother of all debacles.

Can you imagine the protests by then. If they do not have a full open investigation, with no censored passages (for national security of course) then expect things to be very, very ugly in N.Y.C.

[seemslikeadream]

57. If anyone is interested in asbestos

I was just posting in GD earlier today. C-SPAN2 Hillary thread.
Named a few of the products that have asbestos in them and who was responsible for it.