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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:21 AM
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BBC: US military 'seals off Falluja'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3985493.stm

The US military has sealed off the rebel-held Iraqi city of Falluja
amid speculation an assault is imminent. All roads in and out of the
mainly Sunni Muslim city have been closed by US troops, Reuters
reports.

...

(The BBC 's Paul Wood) says units are stocking up with large
quantities of artillery shells, and the pace of training has
increased.

...

US military said it had carried out five air strikes within seven
hours on Friday, destroying a command post, arms caches and rebel
positions, Reuters reports.

...

Nihil
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:11 AM
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1. Like this?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:43 AM
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2. Fallujagrad
Fallujagrad

The “Real Iraqi Resistance” has already left Fallujagrad..

The only ones remaining are a few die hards that want to kill as many amerikans as possible
before they die. They have set thousands of mines and booby traps.

The war in Iraq-Nam is only starting.

It will be the WARSAW GHETTO part 2

As General Jurgen Stroop of the Marines levels the city. And exterminates the remaining
inhabitants





Pictured here are German sappers assigned to blow up the bunkers where the Jews were hiding,
together with Jews that had been removed from one of the bunkers; apparently on May 8, 1943
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:46 AM
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3. Or it could be Grozny...or Hama...
Some reports over the last year had as much as 1/3 of the city destroyed already. How many "precision strikes" does it take to flatten a whole city?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:52 PM
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9. "An Arc Light or 2 would solve the problem," Rumdumb


Arc Light bombing mission impacting.
USAF photo courtesy of the U. S. Air Force Museum

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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 01:36 PM
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10. Precisely. n/t
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:01 PM
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20. How long until that's what they do?
When the marines are getting the snot kicked out of them, it'd be pretty tempting to call in those big boys, hell maybe one of those tacticul nukes would make them sit up and take notice.

God our national soul has to be black and smelling.
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Sin Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:20 PM
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13. Id say
It will be more like the fire bombing of Dirsth ( forgive the spelling )
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:41 PM
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14. Not familiar with that -- I'd be interested in details n/t
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:47 PM
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17. I presume he means Dresden, Germany
Fire bombed by the allies late in the war. Probably 100,000 civilians killed, city utterly cooked. Giant firestorm created. Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five uses this event to frame the book.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:16 PM
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23. Ah -- suspected that's what he meant.
I was just thinking of Cat's Cradle this morning.
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Sin Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 12:24 AM
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25. Thanks :)
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 12:25 AM by Sin
yea thats what i was trying to get across. was in a hurry to get out the door Didn't remember the correct spelling and or pronunciation.
I guess this quote would go with the situation.
Tacitus attributes this quote to Calgacus king of the Caledonia's In AD 80 when he was mustering his troops before his defeat by the Romans.

"Brigands of the world, they have exhausted the land by their indiscriminate plunder, and now they ransack the sea. The wealth of an enemy excites their cupidity, his poverty their lust for power. East and West have failed to glut their maw. They are unique in being as violently tempted to attack the poor as the wealthy. Robbery, butchery and rapine they call Empire; and when they have created a desert they call it peace."



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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:19 AM
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4. Let the genocide begin.... *nt*
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:36 AM
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5. ok -- who thinks most of the rebels have left already?
damn -- the city is flattened already -- dead brits and americans are showing up in other parts of the country.
there isn't anything to ''win'' in fallujah or the rest of iraq for that matter.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:06 PM
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7. and any who stayed have had months to booby-trap...
dig in, cache weapons, develope communications infrastrucures, etc.

My guess is that a significant number of the Iraqi troops allegedly on our side are going to desert at first opportunity and maybe even turn on the U.S. troops.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a hard time believing this won't be a disaster
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:41 AM
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6. Bush thinks he has a mandate now, and the election proves God is with him
I doubt whether his handlers even let him in on the vote fraud. He is capable of anything now.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 12:27 PM
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8. The last world leader this lunatic
spoke German, and committed suicide in a bunker.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:14 PM
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11. Hey, do you think one who can barely speak English
and says he speaks Spanish can find a bunker? Let's build him one.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:47 PM
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15. My mother remembers the Nazis
She was a teenager in Germany during the 30s. She says this administration reminds her very much of the Nazis--all patriotism, religion, and threats from "enemies."
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:57 PM
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19. Hitler-Bush Similarities--a refresher of what we already know
<clips>

...Both men used their diplomats to make a mockery of international legal institutions.

...Bush's Secretary of State, Colin Powell, helped Bush to emasculate the United Nations.

...Both men had their country's military engage in aggressive war in defiance of international law.

...However during his first four years of power Hitler did not start a war. He waited until he could end unemployment and bring Germany to a level of prosperity that could support war. It was during his next four years that he started a war and began the mass murder of people he considered the enemies of Germany.

Both men prematurely declared victory early in their war of conquest.



http://www.mninter.net/~hedwards/bush/hitler-bush.htm

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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:17 PM
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12. does haliburton already have the contract to rebuild the city?
guess this is the * administration's urban renewal plan - preparations are underway to implement it in the US as well: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/nyregion/05strafe.html?hp&ex=1099717200&en=532b0e2b70d21ff5&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 02:49 PM
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16. the whorporate media is
giddy over reporting on the impending mass murder. They R barely able 2 restrain their glee.

how lucky 4 us the mavens of moralty R in charge!
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jjanpundt Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 03:57 PM
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18. This is too sickening...
I was starting to feel resigned about the election loss and trying to suck it up. Now I'm practically beside myself. This military action is beyond dismaying. We're committing genocide. Has everyone lost their minds? Aren't there any U.S. military officers able to see that this is wrong, wrong, wrong? God, the Iraqis did nothing to us.

Where's the international community's outrage? They should be screaming out against this illegal war. They should be calling for the shrubistas heads on pikes. What a disaster this will be.

I think I want the world to stop, so I can get off.
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:08 PM
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21. The people of Fallujah are pleading with the U.N. to help them!

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_13236.shtml

I would be surprised if there isn't outrage in Europe. I'm sure there is in the Middle East!
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jjanpundt Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:35 PM
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22. If it were any other country, but the U.S
there would be a massive outcry. Who is going to stop this insanity? Maybe the EU should start petitioning the UN to sanction our asses for the whole illegal war.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:17 PM
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24. Another game of whackamole
Where are the other 250,000 residents? Do you think they're pissed?
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