Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters

[GregD]

According to the official election results posted on the Palm Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a presidential candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election (including absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the presidential candidates.

Palm Beach County's supervisor of elections is Theresa LePore who is known for the 2000 Presidential Election and the notorious "butterfly ballot" that caused confusion among seniors and other Floridians.

Other election oddities occurred throughout Florida with some counties registering a 400% increase in expected voter turnout among Republicans while Democrats supposedly experienced a -60% decline in expected support in certain counties. The 50+ counties experiencing the high percentage fluctuations in expected turnout used optical scan voting machines on November 2nd.

Vote discrepancies were also found in Gahanna, Ohio which gave an extra 4,000 votes to President Bush. The error was explained away by Franklin County administrators as a "glitch" in the electronic voting system.

Developing. . .

[Lorien]

1. Link?

[Judi Lynn]

7. Found the link:

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000715.html

[GregD]

34. thanks - that's the correct link

[barb162]

100. astounding number of vote fraud and "discrepancies" across the

country and always for shrub. If this doesn't get straightened out it will only be worse 2 and 4 years from now. If it isn't straightened out, why even bother to vote.

[Jawja]

129. My sentiment, exactly.

I have already declared that I will never cast another vote on a machine that doesn't give me a receipt and a copy to put into a ballot box for audit purposes.

[kostya]

141. Read the article update before getting your underwear in a knot.

The absentees were not included in the presidential vote count. Pretty much balances now. There most likely was vote fraud, but chasing it is going nowhere in terms of who will run the country for the foreseeable future, in case that's what all y'all are hoping for. In any case, it is going to be pushed off the media by the bloodbath in Fallujah, et. al. and the Jan. "elections". - K

[lefty_mcduff]

2. Linky?

n/t

[Jo March]

3. Link???

Please??

[Bluebear]

4. Theresa LePore strikes again!

[toopers]

61. I thought Lepore was a democrat.

Why would she sabotage her own party?

[LisaL]

64. Oh Dear God.

This woman likely cost Gore thousands of votes because she is the one who designed the "butterfly ballot". She is no longer a democrat. She run for re-election just recently as a supervisor of electors and lost. She had extra votes in her own re-election as well. She counted some absentee ballots twice and had counted almost 5,000 extra votes. It was discovered but she still lost her re-election:eyes:

[toopers]

66. Yes, but she was elected as a democrat . . .

and she ran for re-election as a democrat, right? We shot ourselves in the foot with her until we kicked her out.

[LisaL]

69. She was elected as a democrats but she turned independent

after the "butterfly" ballot fiasco. I believe she also used to be a Republican before she turned democrat. This woman is a menace to elections anywhere, and this latest development certainly seem to prove that she has done something strange yet again.

[AP]

68. She was a stewardess on Adnan Kashoggi's private plane in a previous in-

carnation. She was a Republican who switched party affiliation before the 2000 election so that fools could say "but I thought she was a democrat."

By the way, psst, Kashoggi was an arms dealer. You know, the kind of person who's making a ton of money these days.

[toopers]

85. Gotcha

Thank all of you for the clarification.

[maryallen]

72. Republican, Democrat, and Independent --

LePore's danced with them all.

She's really just a "wolf in sheep's clothing," and why she's not in jail, I will never understand. And why the people of Florida put up with this shit, I fail to fathom, either.

[LisaL]

80. They did get rid of her, she wasn't re-elected.

But she still got to supervise this election.

[spotbird]

90. Theresa LePore admits that she only

registered as a Democrat because there was no way to be elected if she didn't. She has never considered herself to be a Democrat. In her most recent election she was overtly supported by the Republicans and by then she had already changed her registration to independent.

[Poll_Blind]

5. link?

PB

[skip fox]

6. Damn! We need Soros to offer a reward to any Diebold

(or other e-voting co.) programmer who comes forth telling us what was done and how.

This might be the only way to gain real traction with this issue.

[JPace]

8. I was thinking the same thing....

a cool $1000,000. offer of a reward for a whistle blower
might smoke out the rats.

[jagasian]

93. Would need witness protection...

The whistle blower would need witness protection, as it wouldn't be hard for the Republican administration to have him accidentally killed by a lone gunmen.

[delete_bush]

21. this is a great idea,

two million bucks + legal defense funds + 24-hour security + movie rights. This would have to involve more than one person, so the whole group would be sweating this out and could start making mistakes. If not Soros, then maybe Larry Flynt.

[moggie]

97. Plant moles!

Seems to me activists should aim to plant moles within Diebold, ES&S etc within the next two years.

[City Lights]

9. I alerted the FL ACLU to this earlier this afternoon. eom

[VegasWolf]

10. "you could have knocked me over with a feather" n/t

[symphony]

110. me too

:evilgrin:

[mcg]

11. kick

[leftchick]

12. there is that glitch word again!!!!

IT IS FRAUD!!!!! Prove it isn't!!! :grr:

[Lostnote03]

82. Glitch???

.......Yup, I had to listen my Elections Sup say the same thing when briefly mentioning DieBold.....

[struggle4progress]

142. That's "glitch" as in "My gun has a glitch that causes it to discharge ...

... when there is election fraud."

[Owlet]

13. PCBE Website here

http://www.pbcelections.org/ElectionResults/2004/General/Gen04_dtl.htm

Maybe the 88,000 went to Kerry? He won the county bigtime.

[LisaL]

16. Sure.

Madam Butterfly gave 88,000 extra votes to Kerry.
:eyes:

[glitch]

24. What better place to hide a big gob of fake * votes? State totals count nt

[are_we_united_yet]

104. Lets look at it another way

Perhaps * got a 88k boost.

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. I had a hunch something was going on with those absentee

ballots. Again, I urge the dems to look at those Republican precincts run by Republicans and check the Absentee Ballots that were returned against the voter sign-in registers at EACH precinct. Accept only the authentic sign-in registers for comparison's sake. My educated guess/opinion is that not only are you going to find double voting, but you might even find voters that received absentees that are not on the sign-in registers at all.

[Eloriel]

106. I'm more worried about absentee ballots simply "lost" or

thrown away.

[The Backlash Cometh]

125. Eloriel, it's going to be both. If you want to know what the

Republicans are up to, look to see what they're accusing the Democrats of doing. You can be sure that they're doing the very same thing in their quiet little Republican precincts where no one is thinking to look.

[KamaAina]

15. Could someone with a good deal of free time

go county by county through FL (and OH!) and see if the figures add up?

Of course, the Swampgrass County Board of Elections may just possibly not be online...

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. If someone is organizing an investigative team, I'll volunteer.

[ClassWarrior]

76. Go to blackboxvoting.org - they need volunteers.

NGU.

[rabid_nerd]

17. "Election Day Turnout" - there was early voting...?

:shrug: just a thought...

Was there 88,408 early ballots cast?

[LisaL]

18. Just read the article, will you?

The early voting is added up, and still, 88,000 magical extra votes appear.
:spank:

[rabid_nerd]

23. I don't see that (early voting is included) in the article...

I want to forward this to people, but this will be the first thought in their minds too.

The turnout specifically says on the page "Election Day Turnout", "Absentee Turnout", "Provisional Turnout"... It doesn't mention "Early Voting Turnout"...

I'm just making sure here...

http://www.pbcelections.org/ElectionResults/2004/General/Gen04_dtl.htm

[benddem]

40. but it does say

Ballots and ballots on election day. the difference is 50,000 + or - change

[JanMichael]

19. Notice how the 4k plus to Bush has been a Yahoo headline while...

LePoorexcuseforapublicservant's 88,000 "glitch" hasn't stirred any interest?

[LisaL]

20. The only reason 4,000 extra votes in OH were noticed-

because people called in and complained that it doesn't make sense. Maybe somebody should call Madam "Butterfly".

[Behind the Aegis]

22. What do think this means?

What will happen? It is becoming VERY clear that something not kosher has occurred. Who has the power to do something about this?

[JanMichael]

25. Almost all "legitimate" Power is in Repuke hands right now.

Legislative, Executive, Judicial...The only real Power left to anyone other than the Reich is mass civil action.

[aquart]

32. They're gonna fix that with tort reform.

At which point they will suddenly discover a good reason to come for our guns.

[Amigust]

91. Tort Reform: It's all about killing off the Democratic Party.

Their emphasis on tort reform has one principal goal: take away the money from trial lawyers, so they won't continue to be a major support to the Democratic Party. It's all about killing off the Democratic Party.

[roseBudd]

65. newspapers, that is what they do, scandal sells

[RapidCreek]

77. Angry citizens with Baseball Bats and axe-handles.

RC

[Justice]

27. What a Minute - Notice the Turnout Chart Is not 100%

On Edit - it says "Completed Precincts: 688 of 695 (98.99%)"

[LisaL]

28. Just read the article.

It's the same percent for the total voters and total votes. Still there is 88,000 extra votes.
Not all precincts are yet reported, but for ones reported, there are 88,000 extra votes.

[Justice]

29. I am looking at the official site which lists the # of voters but says

that is not 100%. The article seems to just take the # without mentioning that the "total" number is actually not the total

Look at the official site.

[LisaL]

33. That's where I looked and you should look again.

Not all precincts are reported, but exact same number of precincts is reported for the total number of people who voted and the total number of votes. There are 88,000 thousands more votes than the people who voted. I copied it for you.
Last Updated: November 4, 2004 12:31 PM

Registration and Turnout
Palm Beach County

Completed Precincts: 688 of 695 (98.99%)
Reg/Turnout Percent
Total Registration 729,575
Total Turnout 454,427 62.29%
Election Day Turnout 404,596 55.46%
Absentee Turnout 49,831 6.83%
Provisional Turnout 0 0.00%



PRESIDENT/VICE PRESIDENT
Completed Precincts: 688 of 695 (98.99%)
Vote Count Percent
REP - George W. Bush 211,894 39.03%
DEM - John F. Kerry 327,698 60.37%
CPF - Michael A. Peroutka 575 0.11%
LIB - Michael Badnarik 616 0.11%
GRE - David Cobb 226 0.04%
SWP - James Harris 155 0.03%
SPF - Walter F. Brown 106 0.02%
REF - Ralph Nader 1,565 0.29%
Total 542,835 100.00%

[West Coast Democrat]

36. Where are the early voting turnout numbers?

[LisaL]

48. She has total turnout, turn out on election day and absentee turnout.

Do you think she didn't put early voting turnout?
Wouldn't that be absentee turnout?

[bloom]

46. Do we know what the original exit poll numbers were for Palm Beach Cty?

[mindfulNJ]

30. kick

FRAUD. PURE AND SIMPLE.

[VegasWolf]

31. Anybody have that audio of the Palm Beach County registrar

calling up Diebold on election eve. Goes something like
this;
"Hello?", Diebold service rep.
"We have a terrible problem, Kerry is pulling ahead here".
"What's your precint number and server id?.
"44 an 283456"
"Okay, hold on a sec, ok, it should be fixed now."
"It is, Bush is ahead by 8%, thanks!"
"Glad we could help"

[Borgnine]

35. Mandate my ass.

They really did steal it.

On the bright side, the anal floodgates have now been opened. Expect the shit to pour out in the next few days. We've got to act now.

[peaches2003]

38. OHIO

Same thing is popping up in OH precincts.

[MidwestTransplant]

37. Could this be from early voting?

Not doubting, just wondering.

[LisaL]

41. Why don't you look at the article and see that early voting is

accounted for?
:argh:

[MidwestTransplant]

56. Why don't you look at the article and point out where it says that

IT DOESN'T

[pleiku52cab]

39. Ohioans got nuttin on usn' Florida crackers

We dun be proud of ourn corruption - we wants it out in the open sos all u publik can see it.

[Nikepallas]

42. Guess what just heard a story like that in ohio

4,000 more votes for Bush then should have been. Then they quickly pointed out that it would not have made a difference since Bush won by over 100,000 votes... HMMM let me see get about 20+ machines like that and spread them through out the state and I can see at least a tie between Bush and Kerry....etc....etc..... etc...!

[LisaL]

44. If one machine can give Bush extra 4000 votes-well,

there hundreds of hundreds of these machines in Franklin county alone.
You do the math.

[mtnester]

53. 4,000 x 88 counties = ???

And this 4,000 is just in ONE PRECINCT IN OHIO!!!!

Multiply the 88 Ohio counties by many many many precincts in each county by even just 100 votes, let alone 4,000 each...

hope someone is digging

[symphony]

92. see my post #78 below for link and full text from CNN website

Interesting... isn't it?

[AzDar]

43. ...And so it begins...kick n/t

[brettdale]

45. Where is the media

This should be all over the news!!!!!

[VegasWolf]

98. Sitting with their finger up their ass, exactly like they've been doing

for the last four years.

BTW, I've been reading all these disparaging remarks
about Madame Butterfly, stop it, she is a sweet and extremely,
extremely, really really rich lady.

[GDoyle]

47. 454,427 Voters

There are more than 454,427 votes on some of the other candidates and ballot questions as well. How is that explained?

GDoyle

[LisaL]

50. In case anybody forgot, Ms. Lepore

was not re-elected just recently. But she is still here for the last election. In her re-election, this woman counted thousands of absentee ballots twice (coming up with about 5,000 extra votes) but still lost to Mr. Anderson.
She is a menace, really.
Is it any surprise this time she apparently has 88,000 extra votes?
I have no clue if she included early voters, but since she has total turnout on there, I presume she did.
Where did 88,000 extra votes came from? Did she count some ballots twice yet again?

[anamandujano]

51. Nice that she got a promotion

after designing that butterfly ballot.

[spotbird]

74. Aside from the pesky problem of counting more votes

then were cast in that election, many lifelong Democrats complained that when they appeared to vote against LePore in that primary election their registration had been switched to Republican.

Who knows what's up with these 88,000 votes. But LePore certainly had an interest in fixing this election, she was quite bitter about her primary defeat.

[daleo]

49. It just gets more incredible every day

I can't believe Kerry threw in the towel. I hope someone is going to challenge the result.

[ClassWarrior]

52. DID he throw in the towel?

NGU.

[mtnester]

58. I hear you on that...I firmly belive concession was the only way

that provisional ballots were going to be counted, because if the legal challenges started, those provisioanl ballots would go poof by order of the court.

I believe (I know this sounds weird) that Kerry is just waiting...

[jmcgowanjm]

63. The problem w/ Kerry waiting

(That was basicly the same story we were hearing
around early December 2000.)

Isn't it funny that the one thing Kerry expressly promised
his supporters he wouldn't do - make an Al Gore-style
premature concession speech - is exactly what he did? Had
he waited as little as twenty-four hours, information would
have been available that would make his decision to
concede much more difficult. It is almost as if he was in a
hurry to concede before such information came
out.


http://xymphora.blogspot.com/

[ClassWarrior]

73. And if he hadn't been able to "concede"...

...it would have rapidly deteriorated into a Rovian pissing match. If he did indeed win it, we're not going to find out in the middle of a fucking food fight.

NGU.

[jmcgowanjm]

83. Good luck on that Kerry waiting strategy

And the Fallujah attack is probably happening now
and arafat's dead but they're waiting to bury
him in Jerusalem
and dollar just sank to record low
and ok, here it is,
Kerry's waiting until Thanksgiving
when people find out that BushCo
will be making slaves out of the
bottom whatever % of USans.

Yea, waiting has been successful
since 12122000.

[txindy]

111. Nothing would have been done any differently even if Kerry won outright

Do you think Fallujah wouldn't have been attacked?

Would Arafat have been healed?

Would the dollar have reacted positively to several more months of B*shCo?

Nothing was changed by the concession -- except now Rove doesn't get this time to frame the call for a recount and convince their base that John Kerry is trying to steal what belongs to them. Savage, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter don't get to spew recount lies all over the airwaves.

[jmcgowanjm]

127. Welcome to Hell

When you hear people saying, ‘take a deep breath, we will
pull through this’, ‘we need to work harder’, ‘we need
to organize’—no. We will not. It’s
over.

Unless electronic vote tabulation is history, and
these companies are driven out of business, it’s their
country. Not ours.

Nobody knows, and no one will ever know, what the actual
vote count was.

There are no checks and balances left.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI411B.html

[jagasian]

94. It is a tough job.

None of us can begin to imagine the stress that Kerry was under this past week! Pressure from his own party, and from others.

[GoldenOldie]

55. Nader to challenge the election results in New Hamshire

Randi Rhodes has been talking about Black Box Voting if filing a FOIA to audit the electronic voting machines. Randi's website has all the info for contacting Nader and Black Box Voting.

Randi also has the graphs reflecting exit polls vs machine tally, it ain't a pretty picture.

[LisaL]

60. Why does Nader wants to challenge New Hamshire?

Nader run in Florida.
Kerry won New Hamshire.
Kerry lost Florida.
Nader could challenge Florida.

[maryallen]

81. It had to be a CANDIDATE that challenges.

Nader's the only candidate who will challenge.

[Poll_Blind]

57. Daleo, the wheel is still in spin and who is to say what part...

...each will play in determining where it finally stops. The could be a very, very wise move from the Kerry camp.

PB

[daleo]

62. I hope you are right

Every day a bit more gets revealed. It really looks like the fraud was rampant and blatant.

[jmcgowanjm]

75. Miles Rapoport, President Demos former Connecticut Sec State

  America must continue its centuries-old march to open up
the franchise.  The next generation of reforms should
include Election Day Registration ( how about
Election Day Holiday?), the end of conditional
voting rights for citizens who've run afoul of the law,
and measures to increase the ease and transparency of
our registration and voting systems.

this is the closest I've seen to some kind of Dem
Pol come to saying, "Stolen election" so far.

http://www.demos-usa.org/page233.cfm

[HootieMcBoob]

54. Good God Almighty!

Maybe Kerry did win in a landslide!

[flordehinojos]

59. we all know the elections were rigged ... how many ways are there of

saying the bush boys rigged the elections...plain and simple.

[0rganism]

67. Has anyone found any extra "glitch" votes for Kerry yet?

Just curious. These errors seem awfully one-sided.

[jagasian]

95. A trend towards erring on the side of Bush.

If there is a proven trend that these "mistakes" trend towards Bush, then something must be done!

[Barbara917]

70. I saw it and 2 minutes later they updated the numbers

The numbers in the Palm Beach County Election Results file no longer match those in the original post. I saw the numbers change by viewing the file about two minutes apart.

[turbo_satan]

71. It appears the numbers add up now:

Crisis averted? Dunno. But things look legit now. From the pbcelection site:

Completed Precincts: 695 of 695 (100.00%)
Total Registration
729,575
Total Turnout
547,340

<snip>

PRESIDENT/VICE PRESIDENT
Completed Precincts: 695 of 695 (100.00%)
REP - George W. Bush
212,578
DEM - John F. Kerry
328,553

[spotbird]

79. The number of precincts counted went from around 98%

to 100%. Which changed the turnout total. We'll never know how the total was known before all the precincts were counted.

Oh well.

on edit:

The difference of including another 2% wouldn't account for 88,000 votes. This is all shit.

[DoYouEverWonder]

105. I have a print out

of the results that were posted yesterday, when Palm Beach was still at 98.7%

The totals were 174233 - Bush 275030 - Kerry

[DoYouEverWonder]

107. Just noticed something else

The numbers from yesterday were supposedly 98.7% of the total vote. The actual numbers increase by a lot more that 1.3%

However the numbers actually increased by 8.1% for Bush and 6.7% for Kerry (Someone please check my math). I wonder how many other counties, even ones that say 100% actually have not included all the votes yet?

Funny how percentage wise, more people voted for Bush than Kerry in the new found votes.

[Seabiscuit]

131. Yo, GZ -

I found you! :toast:

[symphony]

78. there's something rotten in the state of FL, OH ...

edited for typos ... too dark in here ... can't see the keyboard

read this: and sorry for posting it on many threads, I hope to see it all over the news

Please start a new thread with this if you could .... pretty please ... with sugar on top!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/index.html

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.

Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Bush actually received 365 votes in the precinct, Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, told The Columbus Dispatch.

State and county election officials did not immediately respond to requests by The Associated Press for more details about the voting system and its vendor, and whether the error, if repeated elsewhere in Ohio, could have affected the outcome.
Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after acknowledging that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result
The Secretary of State's Office said Friday it could not revise Bush's total until the county reported the error.
The Ohio glitch is among a handful of computer troubles that have emerged since Tuesday's elections.
In one North Carolina county, more than 4,500 votes were lost because officials mistakenly believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did. And in San Francisco, a malfunction with custom voting software could delay efforts to declare the winners of four races for county supervisor.
In the Ohio precinct in question, the votes are recorded onto a cartridge. On one of the three machines at that precinct, a malfunction occurred in the recording process, Damschroder said. He could not explain how the malfunction occurred.
Damschroder said people who had seen poll results on the election board's Web site called to point out the discrepancy. The error would have been discovered when the official count for the election is performed later this month, he said.
The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race on the machine.
Workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine and each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.
Meanwhile, in San Francisco, a glitch occurred with software designed for the city's new "ranked-choice voting," in which voters list their top three choices for municipal offices. If no candidate gets a majority of first-place votes outright, voters' second and third-place preferences are then distributed among candidates who weren't eliminated in the first round.
When the San Francisco Department of Elections tried a test run on Wednesday of the program that does the redistribution, some of the votes didn't get counted and skewed the results, director John Arntz said.
"All the information is there," Arntz said. "It's just not arriving the way it was supposed to."
A technician from the Omaha, Neb. company that designed the software, Election Systems & Software Inc., was working to diagnose and fix the problem


:wtf:

[WCGreen]

102. Damshroeder comes from a family of John Birchers....

His pappy was a banjo playin' State Rep when I was a page back n the 1970's. He would bring out the banjo everytime one of the black state reps started to talk in committee...

What a fool...

And then his son, who was a GOP state rep from the same district, is given the task of county votes in s swing county??????

[symphony]

109. My, my, my, DUMBshroeder has really gone beyond and above

anything that banjo playin' daddy of his could've achieved. I'm sure Pa is proud.

Thanks for the interesting background info on that guy. Incompetence runs in the family, I guess.:spank:

[dhinojosa]

84. Has anyone seen this link yet?

Can it be verified?

[LisaL]

87. We all read the reports that democrats were registering way

more voters than republicans before the election. And now apparently republicans found way more voters somewhere, even though democrats registered voters trough the roof.
:eyes:

[spotbird]

89. stunning

I gotta get out of here.

[daleo]

96. Those are some graphs - It would be great to do a comprehensive study

What is needed, as a start is a dataset with:

county, polling district, etc.
exit poll results, by party
reported vote totals, by party
type of voting machinery
number of eligible voters
population
religiosity
results in the 2000 election

Then you would have to do some hypothesis testing:
- is the variance between exit polls and reported results significantly related to voting method.
- where are the big switches in party numbers from 2000. Are the suspiciously large ones all going one way (i.e. to Bush), and is that related to voting method?
- are Bush's big gains really in areas that have high church attendance or other indicators of religiosity?
- are there polls with more votes cast than eligible voters, and are the surplus almost always going to Bush?
- some pattern testing of numbers would be helpful too. Do the vote totals have some pattern that would indicate tampering, or are they random as one would expect? (e.g. numbers ending in 0, 1, 2... at the expected frequency).

[DeadManInc]

103. Has anyone seen this link yet

If the numbers are right there is no fucking way in hell that many dems voted for that piece of shit bush!

[Carolab]

118. What link?

n/t

[SoCalDem]

112. Resembles Georgia '02....

That was their "test run"..no proof..no overturned races.. everything "worked"..

[mulethree]

114. translation

Someone was digging for a trend that would show E-Voting machines having a noticable republican bias. Instead, the e-voting counties came up looking pretty clean (at least in this analysis) and they discovered the "Hick" voting pattern.

The smaller-population counties are highly democrat in registration but were heavily for Bush in voting. I presume these are more rural counties since the populations are so low.

Interestingly, they voted pretty heavily in the democratic primaries. They voted heavy for Castor over Deutch, but then seemingly voted Martinez over Castor at election time.

They voted almost equal for BushVGore, They favored Bush Sr slightly in BushVClinton and voted both ways for ClintonVDole.

[LizW]

126. That is amazing. Here's another one

I've did a county by county comparison yesterday of the increase in number of votes received in '04 over '00 by Bush and by Kerry. In almost every county, Bush experienced a HUGE increase. Bush's increases were 45%, 50%, even 60% and higher in some counties.

Get this: Bush's increases were over 35 percentage points higher than Kerry's in 17 counties!

Example: (I'm just picking one from the list at random)
Lafayette County -- Bush got 1,670 in '00 and 2,460 in '04, an increase of 790 votes. Gore got 789 in '00 and Kerry got 845 in '04, and increase of 56 votes. Bush gained by 47%, Kerry gained by 7%.

In 7 counties, Kerry received fewer votes than Gore got in '00: Baker, Calhoun, Glades, Hardee, Highlands, Holmes, and Union.

The most appalling number I found? In 6 counties, Clay, Lafayette, Nassau, Okaloosa, Santa Rosa and St. Johns, Bush gained more votes from '00 to '04 than the total Gore received in '00.

And anyone who ever thought Optical scan machines were safe better think again. All but one of the counties where Bush got huge gains and where Kerry lost ground are Optical Scan counties.

[Lostnote03]

86. MOAB!!!!!!!!!

[jmcgowanjm]

88. Nothing to statistically explain the 8 million vote surge for bush

The major networks were meanwhile praising the
faultless experience with the machines. Let us remember
that the computer software on these machines is proprietary
and protected from public scrutiny. Because neither the polls
nor the demographics appear to statistically explain the 8
million vote (16%) surge for Mr. Bush in this election, the
2004 Presidential race can not be declared final, free or
fair without such studies. They are, of course, easy to perform
for people in the business and could lessen any concerns
of fraud. Marc Sapir Marc Sapir MD, MPH Executive Director
Retro Poll www.retropoll.org

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=90&ItemID=6573

The Dems worked GOTV but BushCo
reaps the benies.

[VegasWolf]

99. Been scanning the ES&S source code and I can't figure out the following

function;

IncrementVoteCount( int * counter, boolean is_Republican );

The function body is in one of those unreleased patches!


looks suspicious to me!

[intheflow]

101. Can't open link - this thing must be getting pounded with hits.

:thumbsup:

[dhinojosa]

108. HERE'S THE PROOF, BUSH CHEATED......

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/county.000.html

(those are the official results)

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voterreg/pdf/2004/2004genParty.pdf

(those are the number of registrations as of Oct 2004)

Take a look at Baker county for example, as far as registrations go (you have to do the math) 74% are registered as democrat. yet 77% voted for Bush. I do not believe that most Baker community democrats thought Bush was that great.

I have contacted my governor (Bill Richardson, NM) and tried to talk to someone at the Kerry campaign national headquarters (no luck). Will someone, anyone, make noise to their news orgs or something. Time is ticking. I believe Kerry won Florida.

And no, I am not a nutcase. The graph I previously sent was correct.

[symphony]

113. you are no nutcase

but I am gonna turn into one if someone with political clout doesn't DO SOMETHING :argh:

I have never observed so much silence on something so important from both the media and the Democratic party. It's like they have rolled over and are playing dead while we are going out of our minds here.

[Seabiscuit]

119. In view of all this, Kerry's the "nutcase" for quitting on us.

[Baja Margie]

115. I believe you guys,

Both Mike & I feel something is so wrong. What I cannot understand,
sorry if I'm dense, is why noone except the DU is touching this with a ten foot pole. What in the heck is going on? Where's Jimmy Carter?

It's all so pat, like a for sure done deal, I'm going crazy here.

Here, look at what BBC says:

"The US elections'mostly met' standards for freedom and fairness, international obervers have said."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/americas/2004/vote_usa_2004/3987655.stm

[mulethree]

116. look at earlier races

about 50/50 for BushVGore, close to 50/50 in DoleVClinton, maybe 60/40 in Bush1VClinton etc. They may be registered heavily Dem but haven't voted that way for at least 4 presidential elections.

[fizzana]

133. Baker County is a conservative old Dixiecrat county

The "Democrats" in Baker County haven't voted Democrat in 30 years. Check the previous history for counties like these - the Republican presidential candidate has won that county for the past 30 years.

This is a red herring - don't get conned by it. It makes out side look stupid.

[flaminbats]

117. how are the number of ballots and votes recorded

what is the difference between casting an electronic ballot and a vote?

I cast votes for President and U.S. Senator, but not for Congress or state Representative. There were others who cast ballots, to vote in the state and local elections..while not voting for any of the Presidential candidates.

[ZR2]

120. Somebody obviously needs to learn how to read

http://www.pbcelections.org/ElectionResults/2004/General/Gen04_dtl.htm

Last Updated: November 5, 2004 6:33 PM
Registration and Turnout
Palm Beach County

Completed Precincts: 695 of 695 (100.00%)

Reg/Turnout Percent
Total Registration 729,575
Total Turnout 547,340 75.02%
Election Day Turnout 404,666 55.47%
Absentee Turnout 141,633 19.41%
Provisional Turnout 1,041 0.14%


PRESIDENT/VICE PRESIDENT
Completed Precincts: 695 of 695 (100.00%)
Vote Count Percent
REP - George W. Bush 212,578 39.05%
DEM - John F. Kerry 328,553 60.35%
CPF - Michael A. Peroutka 575 0.11%
LIB - Michael Badnarik 617 0.11%
GRE - David Cobb 226 0.04%
SWP - James Harris 155 0.03%
SPF - Walter F. Brown 106 0.02%
REF - Ralph Nader 1,568 0.29%
Total 544,378 100.00%

[JanMichael]

121. Don't be such a dick. It was updated from yesterday.

Yesterday had the 98% numbers all jacked up. They've "corrected" it since then.

[Xenus Sister]

122. WHERE THE HELL ARE THE EARLY VOTES??

Total Turnout 547,340 75.02%


Election Day Turnout 404,666 55.47%
Absentee Turnout 141,633 19.41%
Provisional Turnout 1,041 0.14%


404,666 + 141,633 + 1,041 = 547,340


Hello? Did they not have early voting in Palm Beach County?

[0007]

123. ......a pattern is developing

[riffraff_va]

124. Democrats listen up!

If you don't force the media to report this nonsense, and allow George W. Bush to cheat democracy again, then YOU ALL ARE PUSSIES!!! YOU ALL ARE COWARDS AND DESERVE EVERY SECOND OF HELL THAT GEORGE BUSH IS GOING TO GIVE YOU! DO YA'LL THINK THAT A REPUBLICAN WOULD ALLOW JOHN KERRY TO CHEAT DEMOCRACY AND STAND BY SILENTLY! NO! RIOT! MARCH! PROTEST! DO SOMETHING BESIDES COMPLAIN ON THE INTERNET! REPUBLICANS ARE LAUGHING AT YALL! THEY ARE CALLING YALL "WEAK"!

WHAT ARE YALL WAITING FOR?!! ANOTHER MICHAEL MOORE MOVIE BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING! I'M NOT JUST ASKING, I'M BEGGING TO YALL TO GET A BACKBONE!!!

[jmcgowanjm]

128. "Hell" is the operative word here

The people who put the software together—do you think that
they are in this business to promote democracy? To
promote representative government? Then you are a fool,
and you don’t deserve anything other than the lash.

Kerry did not lose the election. The vote was stolen. Get
that through your head."

Robert Payne’s biography The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler

"Be merciless. It is very easy now because I have lived. I
have reduced the value of man to a fraction of what it was
before. You will find, if you continue along the path I have
opened for you, the value of man will decline still
further. Remember, mankind is always valueless and its
only use is to serve our interests. We alone are transmitters
of civilization, and the people are nothing but cattle. Napalm
is good for them."


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI411B.html

[ThoughtCriminal]

130. The numbers at Palm Beach site seem to add up now

Higher absentee count now

http://www.pbcelections.org/ElectionResults/2004/General/Gen04_dtl.htm

Total Registration 729,575
Total Turnout 547,340 75.02%
Election Day Turnout 404,666 55.47%
Absentee Turnout 141,633 19.41%
Provisional Turnout 1,041 0.14%

404,666+141,633+1,041 = 547,340

[Milo_Bloom]

132. And they couldn't even FIX it correctly....

If you look at the Florida SOS official reporting site, they still show 452,061 as the turnout! http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

None of the new numbers come close to putting this number out there? So what was it?

[GingerSnaps]

134. Bust my britches

That sure as hell ain't news worthy is it?

We have to do something to change our media or this country is gone.

[lockdown]

135. Florida: 237,522 more votes than voters

From messiertom's thread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x29699

New: Florida is reporting more votes in the presidential election than it is reporting citizens that turned out to vote. Adding all the presidential race votes reported by the Florida Department of State here yields a total of 7,588,422 votes. The Florida Department of State reports here that voter turnout totalled only 7,350,900. That's a difference of 237,522. 3.1% of Florida's presidential votes were in excess of the number of voters in the election. 380,952 votes separate the President and John Kerry in Florida.

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~adamsb6/elections/

[Zerex71]

136. Interesting technical information for those of you who are interested.

I'm going to give you an insight into a bit of how e-voting works. I don't work on e-voting but I've been a software engineer for quite a long time now, and I think what I've seen, especially re: Ohio, about vote counts getting "erased" and so forth, is largely explainable.

For starters, all e-voting really boils down to is collecting touch-screen votes and storing them in memory in numerical units called variables. These variables are created by programmers simply by declaring (in the sourcecode -- it's nothing a voter will *ever* see) something like this (for those familiar with C/C++):

int voteCount;

What this does is is three things:

a) It sets aside space in memory for the sourcecode to do something with
b) It tells the programmer and system what type/how to treat memory (RAM)
c) It names a symbol for use in programming

Once declared, a variable could be used for anything appropriately (e.g. since I declared an integer type, you cannot use it to store text strings such as "Bush" or "Kerry"). For example,

int republicanVoteCount;
int democratVoteCount;

By way of pseudocode,

if (user_selects_democrat)
democratVoteCount++; // ++ means to add one to the variable
else if (user_selects_republican)
republicanVoteCount++;

Now, an interesting thing happens here. If you have a type such as an integer (int), it can hold values either signed or unsigned (negative or positive). This is very important in computer math because an integer is typically a word (16 bits) in size, but one bit (the first one, bit 0) is reserved for the sign (0 = +, 1 = -). Furthermore, integers have limits (as do the other C/C++ types such as short and long). The limit is, as you might suspect, related to how many bits are in the type. Thus, if you take one bit from an int variable, you leave 15 bits, and as memory is all binary (0 and 1 = 2 states), the maximum numbers (range) you can have for an integer is from -2^15 (-2 to the 15th power) to +2^15 (2 to the 15th power). These are extremely large numbers.

However, let's suppose E-Voting Company A makes software that doesn't use an integer, and furthermore uses and even smaller variable type, such as a short. Furthermore, let's pretend that even though they have bright, young, non-outsourced-and-thus-not-yet-demoralized programmers who think about issues like this, their corporate-owned bosses who contribute heavily to certain candidates override their design decisions and force them to leave out a certain important keyword known as "unsigned" so that they write code that now resembles this:

short demVoteCount;
short repVoteCount;

The range on a short in some computer systems is (-2^15, +2^15) so shorts *can contain negative values*! (You can force them not to by saying "unsigned short" instead, and then the range is from (0,+2^16)).

What happens when you start getting around the value 2^15, which is equal to 32,768? Well, you roll over *just like a car odometer* and the numbers start going backwards.

That's right -- if voter X comes in and the vote tally for so-and-so is nearing that magical upper limit, and voter X also casts their vote for candidate Y, the machine adds the 1 alright -- and in the process a number that is stored as 0111111111111111 now becomes 1000000000000000 which is the same thing as decrementing the number -- in effect, erasing previous votes.

For those of you who are not aware that this happens, this is a regular, provable phenomenon, and I'm not blowing smoke up your rear ends.

Furthermore, because e-voting companies don't create different software loads for different regions of the country (unless Bev Harris and her team learn anything differently), the same software that's in Podunk, Kentucky might be used in NYC.

Where might you have the most problems with "lost" votes? In larger cities where there are more people voting. If you live in an area where a candidate gets less than 2^15 votes, this won't be a problem. Any areas larger than that (mostly Democratic, such as the larger cities like LA, NYC, Chicago, and Cleveland, for example) and you're more likely (not guaranteed) to have this problem.

The bottom line -- poor software contributes to these vote losses, but it's a shame that the voting electorate is not more informed to know that's what's going on. It's a form of conspiracy but unfortunately, I can tell you from working in software day in and day out that no matter how bright and enterprising and intelligent your programming staff is, the bosses and team leaders make the final coding decisions in a lot of cases, and the poor programmers have no choice but to suck it up so they don't wind up having their job sent to India. You might laugh but crappy code gets written every day in lots of places because of this very reason. And because voting software *is* fairly trivial, it's not accorded the same level of scrutiny that SEI/CMM Level 5 software such as that which operates the space shuttle is.

The reason this got my attention was because I was seeing in some places in Ohio where vote counts were getting fishy right around the 32,000 range. Any seasoned computer programmer will notice that number right away and suspect something funny's going on.

Have fun and pass this info to your friends and concerned colleagues.

Mike

[Zerex71]

138. One last followup to my post.

I think I left out part of the solution how to solve the situation:

1. Make your vote counts signed integers (Why not? There are no such thing as "negative votes").
2. Make your vote counts large enough to handle anticipated/potential voter turnout.

Thus, a perfect way to fix this would be to declare variable such as:

unsigned long demVoteCount;
unsigned long repVoteCount;

An unsigned long has the range (0, 2^32) and 2^32 is nearly 4.3 million. There's no voting precinct in this country that has that many votes, meaning it will never reach its upper limit and thus not even get close to violating the limit. Furthermore, at runtime, the program has built-in safeguards (because the programmer used the unsigned keyword) to prevent a long from *ever* going negative. So it's doubly safe to do this.

Note that taking these steps does not render the software un-hackable (that's a separate topic), but it just makes the software more "robust" which is a term used in software engineering meaning "be able to handle a wider variety of contingencies".

Mike

[VegasWolf]

139. Yes, but these clowns are probably using Visual Basic!

[Zerex71]

143. Oops!

In point 1. I meant to say make them UNSIGNED integers. Didn't want it to look like I am defeating my own logic!

Mike

[progressivebydesign]

137. This is cropping up ALL OVER! n/t

[RememberTheCoup]

140. That's nothing. Ohio's largest county had 90,000 votes too many.

Please read:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x30091