Flush with victory, US Republicans show divisions

[quaoar]

Looks like Arlen Specter has some more groveling to do if he wants to stay in the GOP.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=33125

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Specter "is a big-time problem" for pro-life conservatives according to James Dobson, chairman of an influential conservative Christian group called Focus on the Family.

Dobson, interviewed on ABC television, warned the White House that the Republicans must implement the conservative policies they have been advocating "or I believe they'll pay a price in the next election," he told ABC's "This Week."

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"We want to see the president implement the things that he ran on," he added. "And especially, especially putting conservative judges on the judiciary," which he described as "the key to everything."

Specter "is a problem, and he must be derailed," Dobson said.

[lovedems]

1. Club for Growth has put a target on him

I saw a frontline special about club for growth and they make no bones about the fact that they want the moderates out of the party. Get with the program or get out. I think club for growth ran someone in the primary against Specter. I kind of feel sorry for him.

[0007]

15. Maybe he'll change parties

[lovedems]

17. It will be a good test of his intelligence

Meaning, if he smart, he will.

[AlCzervik]

19. I saw that nut Stephen Moore that runs the Club for Growth as well

on NOW with Bill Moyers. He did say they where rino hunting and Arlen was at the top of the list. They did Twoomey against Spector in the primaries and he came with in a point or 2 of beating him. they also ran ads against Olympia snow of Maine and George Voinocich when they wouldnt vote for Bush's tax cuts.

[lovedems]

21. Yep. That is what I meant. It was NOW, not frontline

Pretty freaking scary little expose wasn't it? Isn't McCain on their RHINO watch? They are the ones who want to take over the country. Surely you remember the anti Dean ad they ran. The one that hurled one insult after another. And they call themselves Christians? BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

typo

[AlCzervik]

25. Well i know they will go after any repugs that dont

sign their "No tax pledge", as for them being christians that didnt seem to be on their radar.

[DuaneBidoux]

49. The word is Christofascist

[devinsgram]

27. They ran Toomey and he almost made it.

If Specter had any brains he would switch to our side, but I think this will be his last hurrah. Now we have to go after Santorum and if we can keep the momentum together, we just might do it. Dobson will ascend on PA in 06 like a swarm of locusts.

[lovedems]

29. Hey, you can answer a question I just asked in another post

and that is what is Arlen's constituency. Is he going to piss off alot of people in his district if he switches parties or is it a pretty moderate part of PA and they would forgive him? I am sure it is a big district but do you know what a majority of constituents are?

[Orangepeel]

41. Senators are elected statewide (n/t)

[lovedems]

42. Doh!

I just voted for Obama and knew that. I guess I was thinking that since Santorum was there, maybe there was a split. I think I have been here to long today. I have oatmeal brain.

[RamboLiberal]

53. Here's the big mistake in PA - some Dem fools backed Specter

He actually got a lot of party Dem endorsements here from local officials. And some unions backed him AFL-CIO, Teachers, etc.

Now they'll pay! Fools!

If we run a good candidate in '06 and if Ricky Santorum doesn't once more fool the voters by running ads that make him look centrist - we might have a shot.

[peaches2003]

58. HUH?

His 'district' is the entire state of PA. He is a Senator, not a Congressman.

[lovedems]

63. Yeah,

if you had read my other post, I figured that out. It was a long week.

[CBHagman]

45. Oh, Santorum really, really needs to be voted out.

I hope Pennsylvania Democrats are lining up someone who is prepared to take no prisoners in a race against Santorum. What mystifies me is that PA elected and reelected RS. Did they all get drunk or something?

[hinachan]

51. Easy: Just let the public know the new meaning of SANTORUM

"The frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex."

http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/

Once the homophobes get wind of that...!

[The Backlash Cometh]

35. If they can get away with hacked elections, they don't really

need moderates. All they need is to continue padding Republican registrations like they did with the college kids who didn't know they were signing applications to change their party affiliation. Then, all they have to do is tick off precinct by precinct Republican votes to match the number of registered Republicans for that precinct.

Very clever, actually. I wonder if they'll give Specter a gold watch?

[Sara Beverley]

40. Will there be a rush of Republicans turning Dem?

Moderate Republican, progressive Dems, Greens together we could defeat the American Taliban. The wingnuts may just have gone a little too far with their hubris and arrogance. Give it time, things will shake loose.

[jdj]

44. yes it they want a career in public life,

there will be alot of "Survivor" type alliances and backroom deals I think.

I plan to enjoy this immensley.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

43. Club for growth?

Is that like hair club for men? Or is the growth cancerous?

[doctorus]

60. "Club for growth?"

which part of the body will grow? Suppose not the brain...

[George_S]

2. Onward Christian Soldiers

And you better snap to attention, Mr. Specter. Or else!

[Sin]

3. To bad

What ever you do don't go to sleep specter or they will bring in the pod and start to point as scream at you.
Didn't vote for ya so all i have to say is welcome to your new party.

[coloradodem2005]

4. Mr. Spector should pull a Jeffords right about now.

The infighting will destroy the Republicans. Spector would be doing the country a great service if he jumped ship right about now.

[eleny]

12. I remember when he was asked about that several years ago

It was during an interview on tv. He was so loyal to the Repuke Party talking about how he could never consider it. I wonder what thoughts go through his mind now before he falls into slumber? And didn't Bush** even go campaign for him this election? That's quite a tangled web he's in.

[alittlelark]

14. hear,hear!!! Spector must be lured from the Dark Side

of the Force!

[Wright Patman]

23. Magic Bullet Arlen

sold his soul when he was a lawyer for the Warren Commission. We have been haunted by a "Specter" ever since. He knows too much to do anything but freeze in his steps when the Club for Growth comes after him.

He will "grow" all right, not "grow a pair." He castrated them and turned them over to the mafia running this country. They're probably in a jar next to JFK's brain.

[jean]

5. Does anyone have a plan for de-railing Dobson?

[rooboy]

8. Yep, More details to come in the following weeks. n/t

[burythehatchet]

26. what what whaaaaaat?

[West Coast Democrat]

13. Their non-profit status should be revoked for starters!

[mutius]

46. Got that right

[roguevalley]

6. victory, my ass. I just got a feedback sheet from the dems and

told them that if they don't protect the electoral process and fight this facist junta, they can fuck off. forever. :)

[stepnw1f]

7. Fascism Knows No God

James Dobson, you may fool yourself, but don't try and fool everyone else. Your fanatiscism is obvious! Time for therapy.

[jean]

34. Radical. James Dobson promotes radical ideas that clash with mainstream

American beliefs and values.

[stepnw1f]

36. No Quarter for this Religious Mania (nt)

[Gman]

9. What are they going to do? Stay home? Vote Democrat?

Yeah, right. The GOP knows the "christian" right wing doesn't have a choice, much as the far left has no real other choice but the Democratic Party.

[mikehiggins]

18. You are wrong

All they have to do is put up a candidate to run against the GOPuke in the primary. The incumbent will break his knees trying to kiss their asses.

Bush HAS to deliver or they are done. If the fundies come to think they have been betrayed there is no bar to them forming their own party a la Perot. The GOPukes and the fundies know that would give Congress right back to the Dems so BushCo will do ANYTHING to keep that from happening.

Now we enter the real era of "whatever it takes" politics.

[Gman]

37. There has been talk about this among the fundies for quite a while

But doing so would be ideological/political suicide because it would hand Congress to the Dems. I think such talk from the fundies may end up being an exercise in brinkmanship. I wonder who would blink first.

[AndyTiedye]

47. They Own the Voting Machinez

as long as that's true, they can put in whomever they want.

The Dems can't retake Congress no matter how outrageous the
Reconstructionists get, because THEY OWN THE VOTING MACHINEZ!

[ClintonTyree]

10. The American Taliban has spoken...............

and you better toe the line Specter. This country is getting REALLY scary. The Fundies have to be put back in their place (the damn church) by someone. There isn't anyone with the political capital to do it though. They own Bush (along with the Corporations, the NRA and various and sundry other evil bastards) so he's not going to stand up to them. This country is pretty much fucked as far as I can see.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

11. You know...

Party switchers just don't seem all that unlikely right now.

Hey Arlen! We can help you redeem your black soul!

[Cush]

16. Didn't Pat Buchanan warn of a GOP Rift if Bush won?

although I think he said it would be between the Neo-Cons and the Real Conservatives

[XanaDUer]

24. Yes, even Novak did.

I await the schism with glee.

[nookiemonster]

20. All in all

I'd say the victory is ours and revenge will be sooooooo sweet.

The RW will eat itself from the inside out. Damn, this should be fun to watch. :evilgrin:

[BamaLefty]

22. Christians Should be Pro-Life in the first place

as I. So I say... way to go Arlen. And you may want to switch to the Democratic party and avoid the evil GOP.

[DemoTex]

30. Pro-life GOP Christians believe that life begins at conception ...

Ends at birth, and begins again after the first $1 million is in the bank. They also support the war in Iraq (which has killed 1200 US service personnel and 100,000 Iraqis) and the death penalty. By their voting choices we can conclude too that they oppose health insurance/industry reforms that would save untold thousands of children and oldsters each year. Their voting choices also reveal that pro-life Christian voters are indeed against the stewardship of God's green earth as espoused by Jesus Christ. Environmental negligence is also killing untold thousands. Pro-life Christians aren't really pro-life. In fact, most aren't really Christians.

I am DemoTex, and I approved this message.

[arikara]

52. I approve your message too

I just wish that it wasn't so true.

[Fiendish Thingy]

28. How many Republican Senators would have to switch- 6?

Let's see, who's most likely to switch or become Independent:
Chaffee
Snowe
Voinovich?
Specter?

Any others?
I doubt McCain would switch, even to Independent.

[iamjoy]

31. Closed Door Meetings...

with Specter, Snowe, Chaffee

Why are you Republicans?

We promise to make fiscal responsibility (no budget deficits) a cornerstone of the new Democratic Party. You can continue to vote as you will on gun issues, labor issues, etc.

We promise if you become Democrats that while we cannot stop a primary opponent, we will not support them (in the primary contest).

The Religious Right is going to demand payback from President Bush, these people, this party no longer shares your values. Look at the fuss raised when Specter hinted that anti-choice justices would have a tough fight, they threatened to keep him from heading the Judiciary Committee.

[juliagoolia]

32. They will splinter

Thank GOD>>>>>they will splinter from all the infighting.

We should push the idea to the media of them joining up with the constitution party.

HA!

That is what we have to do... not splinter over here, and push them to do it over there.. with the constitution party christians and the conservative republicans.

Dobson and his ilk, robertson, and falwell are looking for chits now..

We need to support these moderate GOP guys while in the Senate and let them know they dont have to be bullied around by these guys..that will cause them to splinter yup

[jean]

33. bravo jg! I like the idea of them splintering into flecks and scattering

all over the landscape!

You're exactly right about our need to stand together and show strength to moderates who are fueling the splinter machine!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

38. The Republican Party should splinter.

-Chrisitian Fundies
-Corporatists Pigs
-Moderate/Liberals

[VegasWolf]

39. This is the party that is seriously thinking about changing its

party symbol from elephant to bible. Even Falwell
ordered drunken monkey to behave himself wrt Israel!

[lawladyprof]

48. Maybe it's better to have Specter as a sort of

reasonable Judiciary Committee chair than just another minority Dem. unless there were enough (highly unlikely/impossible) to give us a majority.

[Edmond Dantes]

54. BTW, what happened to Orrin Hatch?

[DuaneBidoux]

50. We Must Bite our Lip and Support Moderate Republicans to save ourselves

from the Christofascists.

[74dodgedart]

56. I think that Repubs are vulnerable on the Right..

Beat them over the head with the current adminitstrations Record deficits and Record spending..

[cubsfan forever]

55. A question for Mr. Dobson

"Who would Jesus kill?" These CC folks are NUTS!

Professor 2

[The Stranger]

57. Democrats, are you seeing invaluable wedge issues presenting themselves?

Is anyone writing this down? Mid-term elections are 18 months away, and the fault lines are begging to be noticed between the fiscal conservatives and the Fundamentalist "Christians".

Marginalize and expose the extreme "Christian Right" for what it is. Hammer home stem cell research and all of the benefits it offers for everyday Americans. Expose the anti-choice crusade that they are launching.

Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves, but you must act quickly.

[flygal]

59. I agree - there needs to be high-profiled examples of ultra-fundie

types to scare back some of our voters. I know way too many repugs who hate that shit!

[Bridget Burke]

66. Christian Reconstructionists often hide....

Many on the Christian Right are unaware that they hold Reconstructionist ideas. Because as a theology it is controversial, even among evangelicals, many who are consciously influenced by it avoid the label. This furtiveness is not, however, as significant as the potency of the ideology itself. Generally, Reconstructionism seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of "Biblical Law." Reconstructionism would eliminate not only democracy but many of its manifestations, such as labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools. Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment beyond such crimes as kidnapping, rape, and murder to include, among other things, blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.

www.publiceye.org/magazine/chrisre1.html

Many of the "values" crowd would really be shocked by what these guys believe. Even the Southern Baptists have been soft-pedaling "female submission"--they've got some strong women in the church.

[shawn703]

61. If Specter changes parties, then we only need 6 more to get the majority

Call up Chafee, Collins, Snowe, Voinovich, McCain, Hagel and Roberts. Hopefully only one if that would turn down switching parties.

[Carl Brennan]

62. The mess of the Repug party will not be corrected

from the inside.

There needs to be mass defections from the party. Those who stay in the party are simply enabling the fascists.

[Javaman]

64. What is amazing is that these religious nuts really thing that * ...

is for them. They don't have a clue that * just wanted their vote for reappointment. He doesn't give a shit about them. In the end, watching them make that Revelation will be most amusing.

[goforit]

65. I guess robotic cloning would be better after all.