WP: Evangelicals Say They Led Charge For the GOP

[kskiska]

Monday, November 8, 2004; Page A01

As the presidential race was heating up in June and July, a pair of leaked documents showed that the Bush-Cheney reelection campaign was urging Christian supporters to turn over their church directories and was seeking to identify "friendly congregations" in battleground states.

Those revelations produced a flurry of accusations that the Bush campaign was leading churches to violate laws against partisan activities by tax-exempt organizations, and even some of the White House's closest religious allies said the campaign had gone too far.

But the untold story of the 2004 election, according to national religious leaders and grass-roots activists, is that evangelical Christian groups were often more aggressive and sometimes better organized on the ground than the Bush campaign. The White House struggled to stay abreast of the Christian right and consulted with the movement's leaders in weekly conference calls. But in many respects, Christian activists led the charge that GOP operatives followed and capitalized upon.

(snip)

A values voter, Dobson said, is someone with "a Christian worldview who begins with the assumption that God is -- that he not only exists, but he is the definer of right and wrong, and there are some things that are moral and some things that are immoral, some things that are evil and some things that are good."

more…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32793-2004Nov7.html

[Ruffhowse]

1. Fuck these people-they will be defeated in the end because THEY

are the evil.

[PartyPooper]

3. Amen!

[Erika]

15. No, The Evangelicals Believe Bush Will Bring On the Rapture

and Armegeddon. We are talking about the extremists. Rove built an extensive data base of these creeps since 2000 keeping them scared and enraged and got them out to vote. How would you like them to be a part of your party base? Jesusland dwellers who wants a holy jihad against Muslims and Rove and Bush will do their calling. Like I said, how would you like to be a Republican right now? The truth is coming out.

[Cha]

2. Like that's something to be proud

of! Stupid assholes!

[aquart]

4. Tools.

[Straight Shooter]

5. Well, they're in for a rude surprise, because Rove says it isn't so

He said it's the war in Iraq and terrorism that got people's vote for bush. The evangelicals had better face it ... they've been played.

This is from a yahoo article and I don't have the link, but it's something about how Kerry's $87 billion vote was "the gift that kept on giving" to the bush campaign.

[iamjoy]

9. Diabolical Rove

He knows if he gives too much weight to the Fundamentalists there will be a revolt in the party by the moderate/more secular Republicans.

[saigon68]

6. Religious amerikan Taliban

Evil mother fuckers

[NVMojo]

23. good connection, they are just like any other extremists group

but fearfully like the Taliban. When are they going to do their real duty to their religion and strap their own selves into a uniform and throw themselves onto the streets of Fallujah?

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. No need to -- there are plenty of homegrown evilduers to attack --

abortion clinics, gays, mosques, synagogs, immigrants, hippies...

[cubsfan forever]

28. Indeed they are! n/t

Professor 2

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. They are so full of it

the Pauline Fundie Christians base did not come out in significantly larger numbers than in 2000.

If they were so well organized and agressive, how come over 12,000 people came out to see Michael Moore at UF in Oct. and they could only muster a few hundred protesters?

How come when they had their Pro America Rally in Gainesville in August, they were out numbered by Kerry supporters 3 to 1.

How come when Cheney came to Gainesville, he met with 11 business owners and again Kerry supporters outnumbered Bush supporters who came out by 3 to 1?

How come when Bush came to Florida for the last leg of the campaign, they had to play tricks with the cameras because they couldn't file all the seats?

These are just a few examples that I have directly experienceed, but I am sure across the country we were seeing incredible DEM support for Kerry and Bush was religated to giving speeches to invisible audiences, using canned applause to make it sound like he was talking to a huge crowd.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. Correct! The excuse of the mysterious, unseen fundies is used

to explain the swing at the polls. It covers the cheating.

[Mr_Spock]

8. Um, what they did is illegal and we must therefor void the election

I'm serious!

[54anickel]

10. Think of the good they could do if ALL that energy was redirected!

Seriously, from daycare for children and adults to soup kitchens and latch-key kids care, environmental clean-ups, housing, etc. etc.

It's a damn shame really. These people are so passionate and dedicated, they are just totally misguided and misled by these Dominionist and their ilk.

[Wols]

17. You hit the nail on the head nickel

If they were actually motivated by compassion instead of hate they could be a great force for good.

[JI7]

11. one thing i noticed from Bush supporters

was that the biggest supporters often would talk about Bush as being a man of God, a person of faith etc. they viewed Kerry as empty of faith and immoral. they viewed Kerry as a threat to their values. these are people who actually fell for the lies that Kerry was going to take away their bible.

it's just amazing how we see things so different in this world.

[arwalden]

12. FUCK Evangelicals!!

[AndyTiedye]

21. Do I Have to?

Seems an evangelical wingnut would be a lousy lay.

[KansDem]

35. Might be why the divorce rate is highest in the Bible Belt

Why so many divorces in the Bible Belt?

Experts cite low household incomes (Oklahoma ranks 46th and Arkansas 47th), and a tendency for couples to marry at a younger age than in many other states.

Religion may play a role, since some of the lowest divorce rates are in northeastern states with relatively high household incomes and large numbers of Roman Catholics whose church doesn't recognize divorce.

Bible Belt states, in contrast, are dominated by fundamentalist Protestant denominations that proclaim the sanctity of marriage but generally do not want to estrange churchgoers who do divorce.

No state has been more embarrassed by the divorce problem than Oklahoma. Over the past few months, Gov. Frank Keating has enlisted clergymen, academics, lawyers and psychologists in a campaign to reduce the divorce rate by a third within 10 years. In neighboring Arkansas, state officials hope to halve the divorce rate by 2010.

http://www.ncpa.org/pd/social/pd111999g.html

[VegasWolf]

41. No, actually pschyco-sex is great!!!

[Erika]

13. Falwell/Robertson Delight in Bush's Win

Their war to kill as many as possible of those evil Muslims wwith their evil religion. Bushco funds a jihad against a country who never harmed us. And uses our kids to conduct the Jihad.

[Erika]

14. Falwell/Robertson Delight in Bush's Win

Their war to kill as many as possible of those evil Muslims wwith their evil religion. Bushco funds a jihad against a country who never harmed us. And uses our kids to conduct the Jihad.

[Blaze Diem]

16. Ya, Bush will throw them enough manna to keep them on the Neocon

political doner lists. Then he'll draft their kids and Roe v Wade will stall in the courts. They're stupid, as are all extreme cult followers.
They should be living their faith and looking to their God, not George, the self-proclaimed human version.

[grasswire]

18. oh my

Same-sex marriage, said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, was "the hood ornament on the family values wagon that carried the president to a second term."

[koopie57]

20. this drives me nuts

while these self-righteous bastards are worried about two people wanting to be there for one another, they allow this administration to kick the poor, piss on the homeless, let children go hungry, and kill 100,000 Iraqis who have never done anything to us. God gave us a beautiful world to live in (like the northern lights last night) and rather than taking care of it, they are worried about two people who are of the same sex wanting to take care of one another, having the rights to do this. I can't believe God is so homophobic that he is threated by homosexuals. I think that God made us all different so we could learn tolerance. These pseudo-Christians are either missing the point or taking themselves a little too seriously.

[Supersedeas]

24. I can't believe the Fundies can see through the 'thinness" of a

Constitutional Amendment when the President is on record supporting civil unions.

Apparently, the hood ornament is plastic.

[MountainLaurel]

29. Why let the facts

Get in the way of a good hatefest -- they haven't let that stop them ever before?

[AlCzervik]

19. They want their pound pound flesh, i wonder is * bit off more than he can

chew.

[ixion]

22. and obviously, lying and murder is not immoral to these people

:puke: idiots :puke:

[bunkerbuster1]

32. Let's not slaughter the sheep

It's the charlatans leading these flocks that deserve our ire.

Many in fundamentalist church congregations are decent people trying to do the right thing. They don't hate gay people. They don't want to make life hell for women facing unwanted pregnancies. They certainly don't want to slaughter innocent Iraqis. They're just trying to make a living and be at peace with themselves.

Maybe not most, but certainly many.

These are people we can reach. We won't do it by insulting them. We can do it by pointing out the incessant hypocrisy, the utterly anti-Christian behavior of Church leadership (and by Church leadership I include the Chimperor, who almost never goes to church and probably has never actually read the bible.)

[BarbaRosa]

25. Yes, but will they be leading the charge

to accept responsibility when this grand scheme goes south?

I didn't think so.

[Just Me]

26. And I will hold them FULLY RESPONSIBLE for the consequences,...

,...of their decisions!!!! Backing a leadership that intentionally divides its own people, intentionally deceives its own people, and intentionally funnels the wealth of its own people into the hands of a few IS EVIL!!!!

[DainBramaged]

27. 4,000,000 decided the future for 287,000,000?

Wake up people, they don't speak for me or you.

[74dodgedart]

30. And they will be Repubs undoing..

I don't think the Christian Right had as much impact as the
media is trying to imply...I'm not sure that the "moral values"
question from the exit polls equated to "evangelical values" for every respondent.

McCain, Specter,Hagel etc are not ready to sell their souls to Pat Robertson just yet.

The right has used hatred for liberals to unify several distinct
factions. Now that the liberals are gone the factions will begin to splinter and we have to be ready to pick up the pieces.

[jackelope72]

31. Speaking as the "black sheep" of a Fundy family

I can tell you that there is no limit to the bullshit that they spew, or the many "works and wonders" that they believe they are capable of bringing to fruition. These people do truly believe that Bush is not only a man of God, but THE man of God, placed in his position so that he can lead them and their ilk into the final days. Even my Mom, who staunchly supported Kerry and is not nearly as whacked out as the rest of her siblings, believes that Armageddon and the Rapture are imminent; she thinks that Bush may have been put into power by God, but not for glorious purposes, i.e., leading the Christians to victory in the name of the Lord, but for more nefarious purposes, i.e., helping to usher in the age of the Anti-Christ. She thinks of him as a test of Christians' character, and fears that most of the Fundies are failing the test miserably by being taken in by the Chimp.

Anyway, the point is, my Mom's siblings all are convinced that Bush is exactly who he has claimed to be: a prophet and warrior of God. She and I have both been assailed by them for our vocal support of Kerry during the past several months, and I can tell it's breaking my Mom's heart to have her family so staunchly contemptuous of her. It's very sad, and unfortunately, with another four years of "The Uniter, Not Divider" in office, things are going to get much, much worse.

*sigh* If only I knew some good curses I could sic on that idiot.

[CO Liberal]

33. James Dobson Is Evil Incarnate

That bastard and his damn combover need to be thrown into a deep dark dungeon...

[bluedog]

34. Evangelicals

I was reading an old encyclopedia the other night and found some of their "beliefs"

"Scripture as sole authority in all matters.
They believe in the second coming.
They believe the "Kingdom of God on Earth..(guess that means only for them)


When they first started in the U.S. in the 1800's they failed..as they wouldn't let "slave owners" join......later they were accepted


just a Little info on them

[progressivebydesign]

36. THIS WAS REPORTED BEFORE the election!!

But the media didn't GIVE A FUCK! Now they do??? Fuck them.

[progressivebydesign]

37. Hey Dobson! Beating your DOG is WRONG...

.. fleecing millions of ignorant followers for money is WRONG.

[bvar22]

38. bush* is soooo proud of the fundy support....

.....that he made them hide in the closet during the Repub hatefest in New York City.

[VegasWolf]

42. What is really odd is that their own leaders use words like sheep,

flocks, and needing to be led. We athiests
didn't come up with these terms. I would rather
be a mustang running free than a loyal sheep!