One in four Nevadans who backed Democrat Reid also voted for Bush

[NVMojo]

Sorry, I just caught this and I feel it makes another important connection that the Dems, at least the Nevada State Dems just couldn't work around to beat. Surprise, surprise! And this is what you get for sleeping in bed with the international mining companies and the Repubs and screwing the Western Shoshone Nation!

RENO: One-fourth of the Nevadans who voted overwhelmingly to re-elect Democratic U.S. Sen. Harry Reid also backed President Bush, a trend that doomed John Kerry’s hopes in rural counties and will color both parties’ future election strategies.

“I believe rural Nevada carried President Bush to victory,” said Republican U.S. Rep. Jim Gibbons, who won a fifth term in Nevada’s sprawling 2nd District that covers many of the so-called “cow counties.”

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http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2004/11/05/84640.php?sp1=rgj&sp2=News&sp3=Local+News&sp5=RGJ.com&sp6=news&sp7=local_news

[AlCzervik]

1. I'm pretty sure that John Ensigns dad was a Reid supporter

[NVMojo]

2. you are correct. I read something about it months ago.

[NVMojo]

3. and we can't forget the issue of "annexation" going on in

West Wendover, Nevada and East Wendover, Utah right now to make the two cities one on the Nevada side. Remember that the Ensign family has 20 acres of commercially zoned undeveloped land on the West side and the push right now is to take this annexation to congress with a caveat to prevent any more casinos from being built on the poor, Hispanic dominated side of the East Wendover, Utah part. Reid is involved.

[Freddie Stubbs]

18. He probably wasn't back in 1998

He probably supported someone else.

[rabid_nerd]

4. As a campaign manager in a Republican Advantaged area

that is UNFAIR.

My Democratic candidate had to run away from Kerry and had Bush canvassers distributing his lit.

I support Kerry, and my candidate does too.

But you can't blame another candidate for winning.

In fact, we lost, by a greater margin, but not in the "worst" districts. Then again, we reversed a heavy negative local trend and locally, Kerry did worse than Gore because locally the Kerry supporters were practically shouting "we're here! we're near! vote against us!" and riling up the GOP.

It would have made more sense around here to play up Casey's endorsement of Kerry, for instance (the only Democrat to win this county)...

But on the mining and Shoshones I concede any knowledge.

Just remember Kerry didn't need Nevada, but Reid did.


(Side Note, I'm in PA)

[RogueTrooper]

5. Would your candidate have run from Dean

out of interest?

[AlCzervik]

6. What surprised me about * winning Nevada was the Yucca mountain thing

i thought for sure that would end the love for * there.

[Benhurst]

11. Well at least now I won't have to feel bad about all our nuclear

waste going to Nevada. Glow, little glowworms, glow!

[NVMojo]

9. don't be so sure Kerry didn't need Nevada, * only took it by 2%

and if you are interested, Nevada is like 87% public lands and the mines have made BILLIONS off of public lands in the past 15 years and *'s dad sits on one of the international mines boards, Barrick. And if you want to know what Reid and Gibbons did to the Western Shoshone, read here:

http://www.wsdp.org/

and then you might want to check this site out:

http://www.greatbasinminewatch.org/

and then when I get to my office, i will post you a copy of the bill that Reid and Gibbons worked on together to GIVE Western Shoshone land to Placer Gold to mine one of the biggest gold veins in Nevada's history, take it out of public lands, put it in Private Hands for Profit. That bill stalled when Congress figured out it was tied to pushing the Western Shoshone off the table with the claims settlement bill.

Do you know what a treaty is? It is usually an agreement between two nations. Read the US Constitution and Amendments for further explanation. A nation (US) cannot buy off Indians individually. A treaty is to be renegotiated between the two nations and the US is constantly in violation of this. But then again, look what we didn't learn from the Indians, we just invaded another sovereign nation, Iraq.

[SoCalDem]

7. Well I just hope they enjoy the hell out of their nuke-yoo-lar dump

and i hope Georgie's pals put a road across their wilderness..say about one every quarter mile.. criss cross the place :)

[shawn703]

8. I hope Reid isn't the new minority leader

The last thing we need is another red-state Democrat who can't stand up to the Republicans for fear of losing his seat. If that many of the people that voted for him also voted for Bush, it seems to me he'll just have the same problems Daschle had.

[AlCzervik]

10. He is unless someone threw down a challenge.

[leQ]

13. durbin's getting the minority leader spot, and i think reid is new whip

but correct me if i'm wrong here.

[shawn703]

14. I heard Reid was going to get the spot

Although Dodd may run for it himself.

[Straight Shooter]

12. Argh. What about all those trashed Dem registrations?

As if that was the only thing going on in Nevada to tip it to bush?

Talking points and damage control, they're in full throttle now.

[mitchtv]

15. I suggest everyone instruct their senators to get Yucca Mt.

started ASAP. Fuck NV; If you want to play the slots,visit Palm Springs.

[VegasWolf]

16. "What happens in Vegs, glows a long way aways!" n/t

[VegasWolf]

17. Don't know about you guy's up north, but here we used electronic

"voting machines".

[NewYorkerfromMass]

20. but Nevada has paper trail

no?

[VegasWolf]

21. No paper trail that I could discern and I am a retired compter scientist

My impression is that the results of each polling machine
were captured on some removable media, probably cheap
ram memory, and then transported to a central collecting
place. Obviously, the data on the chip is formatted in order
to be read. It should be trivial to change the tally's if
you can get ahold of the physical chips. My friend, who is
a retired US Attorney with current FBI connections first
question was who couriered the data when he noticed that
Clark County went for Kerry by only 100K, and he knew that
was not enough to offset the northen counties.

[Eloriel]

22. See this thread by NVWriter

who also posted upthread here:

NEVADA
Could this be how Bushass took the 2 percent in Nevada??
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1859#1872

In fact, also see my whole compendium of DU Vote Fraud links:

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

[VegasWolf]

23. Thanks, I'll study it in more detail later. For the record I did not

see any printers and I was specifically looking for them.

[NVMojo]

28. Vegas Wolf, it was a ruse that Nevada had printers

A typical bait switch Rove tactic. Las Vegas is predominately Democrat, the largest population in the state, and your city already had Sequoias but they were at least 3-5 years old. So when SOS Heller announced last year that they were going paper trail in Nevada, he didn't mention until months later he was only buying new Sequoias with printers with the HAVA money for rural Nevada and Las Vegas City had Sequoias but he wouldn't get another grant from HAVA to add printers in time for the 2004 presidential election. He would buy the other printers to add on to your city before 2006!! But when the media whores spun the primary as being the first successful e-machine state election with paper trails, you never saw the mention of over 2,000 election machines in Vegas, the only solid Democratic district in the state, not having paper trails!

So if they were planning something diabolical, they did it this way. Bush can verify his win with a papertrail in Nevada in all rural Counties but not in Clark County because the largest population center, the dem center, Las Vegas doesn't have a paper trail so Kerry can't prove he won Las Vegas. Get it?? Those bastards!!!

I still am trying to figure out what to do with this. I passed it on to BlackBoxVoting.org but haven't heard a word back.

[VegasWolf]

29. Assholes. NV Writer you've done some good research!

[NVMojo]

30. Thanks, Vegas Wolf, but the more I dig the sicker I am getting!

They bought about 2,000+ new Sequoias for all counties but the CITY of Las Vegas who had the ten year old machines without printers. And that was 2,100 machines. So the media has fallen for an orchestrated PR job on the Nevada elections. Nevada only had a PAPER TRAIL in half the state of voters!!! That throws their numbers into an entirely different light. How many electoral votes are we talking here? Five? Put that into perspective, that five helped Bush win!!! And probably fraudulently and the only thing we can do is call for a recount in Las Vegas which can't be done. So now what can we do??? I have assembled the Dems up here who are willing to raise heck but where do we go??

The first thing I think is to do what the DU posters say, I need to contact all major media outlets who reported how wonderful Nevada's paper trail election has gone! It was only half paper trail!! this is so Karl Rove, I swear!!!

[warrens]

19. It's only anecdotal

But I believe the same thing happened in Wisconsin with Feingold. A lot of rethugs voted for him because they like his independence. Which is why I think he should be considered for the presidency in 08.

[dolstein]

24. Just do the math folks -- Reid got over 60% of the vote

John Kerry got 48% of the vote. Obviously a lot of people who voted for Reid voted for Bush.

I certainly wouldn't blame Reid for this. He actively supported Kerry. But voters in this Republican trending state knew Reid very well, and many simply didn't know Kerry well enough to feel comfortable voting for him.

[judaspriestess]

25. What a crock of poo-poo

retards voting for Reid and voting for Bush also.
Harry did advertise himself as "independent, like Nevada"
perhaps it confused some people out there?

[foreigncorrespondent]

26. Maybe so...

...but I am sure there are those out there who still feel it was the queers fault Kerry lost.

On edit: typo

[Democat]

27. Meet the new Democratic leader of the Senate

This should be just as good as wimpy Daschle! :(