SOLDIER KILLED IN SMALL ARMS ATTACK IN BAGHDAD # 1133

[saigon68]

November 8, 2004
Release Number: 04-11-07C




FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Casualty_Report.asp?CasualtyReport=20041107.txt

SOLDIER KILLED IN SMALL ARMS ATTACK IN EASTERN BAGHDAD

BAGHDAD, Iraq – A Task Force Baghdad Soldier was killed when a patrol came under small arms fire in eastern Baghdad at approximately 3:15 p.m. today.

The Soldier was medically evacuated from the site of the attack, but died of wounds at a military medical treatment facility.

The name of the Soldier killed is being withheld pending notification of next of kin.

The incident is under investigation.

November 8, 2004
Release Number: 04-11-07C


I Casualties confirms as # 1133 http://icasualties.org/oif/

[PSU84]

1. All volunteer Army (and Marines)

Optional war.

The people voted for it.

[Flagg]

2. Bring'em on, cried the AWOL chimp.

[UpInArms]

3. ....

:kick:

another object lesson unlearned, another life wasted, another reason to stay to the bitter end in a fruitless but oilfield war.

:(

[lizzie]

5. Did anyone hear about the "kill numbers" being issued

to soldiers going into Fallujah? I heard this on Blitzer's CNN Sunday morning show. (I have way too few posts to open a thread but wished this was out there...couldn't find it...slow computer...live in the forest no DSL!) The numbers are being put on the soldiers hands in ink. Dog tags not enough to identify them.

Blitzer had a former Supreme Allied Commander on who was taken aback. Said this was never even done in Vietnam, said it was demoralizing, everyone assumes they will survive.

Relatives must be thrilled to hear this..although I have heard no mention of it since this report.

[UpInArms]

7. maybe there will be a CNN transcript

you might check there if you know what program you were listening to.

[lizzie]

9. Found the transcript..interesting

I don't know how to put a link here (newbie to much) but found the transcript on CNN. November 7,2004, CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer. It is a rush transcript. There was a clip before discussion with 2 military commanders showing the "pep talk" to the soldiers. Read down to discussion of "kill numbers" and reaction from the guests...I thought very interesting! Our families are just numbers to be picked off in this war. Another Christian act by our oh so faith based president.

[UpInArms]

17. thanks lizzie

here's your link and transcript:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/07/le.01.html

excerpt:

PENHAUL: After the pep talk this morning -- we noticed the Marines were pensive, they were beginning to pack, and then, when the Marine Expeditionary Force top brass showed up, that really pumped these young Marines with enthusiasm.

I think you can only liken that kind of pep talk to a talk pre- football game or hockey game or baseball game. It was that type of talk directed at young guys, all pumped up and ready to go for this.

Talking now to the Marines, they say that they're as ready as they ever will be to go and do this. And they've been spending the last minutes, as I say, packing up.

<snip>

Another thing, though, a sobering thought, the Marines were also issued with a so-called "kill number" today by Navy medics who will accompany them. That kill number is a number that each Marine will write on both hands in indelible ink, that, in the event he is hit, killed or taken casualty, then that number will identify him, a quick identification number, Wolf.

<snip>

BLITZER: When our embedded reporter, General Murray, was talking about the kill numbers, that they're putting indelible ink on these Marines and Army soldiers who are about to go in, in case, God forbid they're killed, you grimaced a little bit. I saw you jerk back a little bit. Why?

MURRAY: Well, I think that this is something that I was not exposed to in Vietnam or the first Gulf War. General Joulwan, I expect, has not seen it either. It's just a manifestation that the world is changing.

But from a practical standpoint, it makes sense to do this before these Marines and coalition forces go into an environment that could be very, very tough, subject to the will to fight that we find in the insurgents inside of Falluja.

BLITZER: Have you ever seen this kind of -- they wear dog tags, clearly.

MURRAY: They wear dog tags.

BLITZER: But having ink put on their skin to know who they are, have you ever seen this?

JOULWAN: No, I have not seen it. And I sort of was taken back when I saw it. I think it's the wrong signal we give to the troops, in my opinion.

BLITZER: The wrong signal in that it demoralizes them?

JOULWAN: Well, I mean, I don't think -- I think you go into a fight thinking that you're going to come out of it alive.

I think there are practical things -- that's why we have dog tags -- that you need to take precautions, that any time you commit American forces, there may be casualties. So you have to take those precautions. But writing it on someone's hand, I don't know if I agree with that.

...more...

[cmd]

18. I guess this is to identify the torso.

What new hell is this?

[lizzie]

19. Thank you UpInArms!

I hope you get this, I have been off computer all day. I so appreciate you helping me get this info out...I will learn how someday!

I thought this was powerful, horrifying and that people should know. This is some nightmare!

[Kukesa]

29. Before soldiers had dog tags,

during the Civil War (the first one?), soldiers would write their names on a piece of paper and sew the paper into their jackets.

It must have been a horrible way to prepare for a battle and it's still horrible today.

[seemslikeadream]

4. HOW MANY MORE GEORGIE, HOW MANY MORE?

http://www.ericblumrich.com/year.html WATCH THIS VIDEO



Legion

Enveloped in a sentiment,
A sound that rushes over me.
Engage an impulse to pretend
I have a faith as pure.
Not forgetting what it means to dream.
Indulging everything.
Entertaining thoughts that I've the strength
Of those I yearn to be.
Cheers and tribute greet the saviours.
Reckless thoughts survive.
Anachronistic and impulsive.

And what will happen?
Will I dream?
I am too scared to close my eyes.
For a second please hold me.
None can change in me these things that I believe.
But I don't know what happens now.
I am too scared to close my eyes.

Vnv Nation

[0007]

16. Check this video out

The death count is laggin for about 100 kids
http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html

[seemslikeadream]

26. Thanks 0007

[bemildred]

6. RIP troop. nt

[saigon68]

35. I agree

[llmart]

8. The parents of this soldier........

do not feel half the pain that ole' Poppy Bush feels about how badly his sonny boy was treated during the campaign. Hey, people, let's put our sympathies with what's really important here.

major sarcasm intended

[Skittles]

10. it's killing me, saigon

I cannot imagine what it's like for you, a Viet Nam vet. How IS it for you - what do you feel when you hear and read about these soldiers?

[saigon68]

13. TOTAL DISGUST, ANGER AT THE CHIMP, SYMPATHY FOR THE FAMILIES

I hate it. But then again I have been organizing since 1972, when we in the VVAW took on the Nixon Criminals, predecessors to the BUSH CRIMINAL CABAL. In civilian life, I attempt to obtain benefits for Veterans as a service officer. I have little use for certain officers in today's military who are professional bootlicks, perfumed princes and Catamites (I agree with Hackworth a lot)

I am a mere reporter on the sidelines, now. Taking on the troop apologists who for one reason or another, WANT to see thousands of young people killed to expand the corporate pocket book of greed.

And taking on and exposing a lot of brain dead cowardly wannabee veterans who want to relive the glory of killing slopes for God or zapping dinks for Jesus.

[Skittles]

15. you are really special, saigon

yes, I'm fed up with the warmongering I hear from people who have never spent a single day on a military base, let alone served their country. I'm sick of it. I was born on a base, was a GI brat and am a veteran. The military is in my blood and I am highly offended when they are abused by a bunch of neocon bastards who don't give a damn about them. I'm sick of this SUPPORT THE TROOPS nonsense from people whose sole idea of supporting the troops is to bootlick that incompetent, thieving bastard in the White House.

I, like you, REALLY support the troops.

[saigon68]

11. DEATH

ITS IRAQ-NAM-- DEATH SHOWS NO FAVORITES


A place where Death rides a Pale Horse

Sometimes Death travels beyond the boundaries of the combat zone and wreaks havoc on mere bystanders.

Death inflicts the ultimate penalty in no particular order.


The Innocent, The Guilty, The Careless and The Unlucky-- are all targets.

[leftchick]

25. Is this the poor guy #1133?

The caption reads like this death is from today.




Army Nurse supervisor Parrick McAndrew tries to save the life of an American soldier by giving him CPR upon arrival at a military hospital in Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites) Tuesday, Nov. 9, 2004 but the soldier died. The soldier was fatally wounded in a Baghdad firefight with insurgents. (AP Photo/John Moore)

[Just Me]

27. This morning, heard we lost at least 14 in 48 hours.

:cry:

[Yavin4]

12. I Have No Sympathry for The Dying Soldiers In Iraq

Call me whatever name you want to call me, but I did everything in my power to stop such killings and my voice, my opinion was marginalized. The country voted to continue this nonsensical war. More Americans care more about Gays getting married than they do about their sons dying in an unjust war.

This is yet another reason why I'm preparing to leave the U.S. I don't want my tax dollars to support endless wars over oil.

[saigon68]

14. I'm not calling you anything

I for one understand your disgust at what is going on.

I cannot fathom at all as to why anyone would enlist in the miltary AFTER this election on Nov 2, 2004 ---- to join a criminal effort to exterminate a people we have religious differences with.

In Nam it was hard to understand how the civilian masses could hate the troops who were drafted. And call them war criminals. (remember that you vet wannabees!!!) In a voluntary setting there are no such illusions. They joined up to kill.

In this war, when it is lost, in about 10 years , these vets will taking a drubbing from the ruling class only reserved for child rapists.

[Kukesa]

30. Not all of us hated the troops during 'Nam, not all of us. n/t

[lastliberalintexas]

34. Not all of them saigon

They didn't all join up to kill- there are plenty of men and women in the services who signed up to get out of their hellish lives/towns, to earn money for college, to see the world, and to truly try to better themselves. Coming of age in the late 80s and early 90s, I knew many kids who joined for these reasons. And there are many who've been in the reserves because they needed the extra money- one more side effect of a repub economy. And there are many there who have been fighting this illegal war along with us, suing to stop the inactive reservce call ups and the stop loss orders.

I will reserve *some* sympathy for these people, since they have been put in an impossible situation by our leaders, our electorate, and yes, in some cases, by their own votes.

Those who go in voluntarily after this election are probably a different story. But bear in mind that some who are being sent even now didn't sign up to kill the "ragheads"- they're being forced into service by our Back Door Draft. My Democratic, anti-Iraq war brother has only been out of the Marines for about 5 years, and could very well be recalled against his will. And a friend of mine who has been out of the service for 10 years recently received a call from the DoD just "wanting to verify his current information."

I know you of all people weren't bashing the troops. But I just wanted to remind some people here that there already are people who are there against their own will, and that the number of those people is only going to increase. They're not ALL Bushbots.

[Kukesa]

28. Sorry, I can't fathom your lack of sympathy. n/t

[realcountrymusic]

20. and because he died after being medevaced

His death does not count toward the total, or so I hear.

Fuck this fucked up war. This country will reap the whirlwind, soldiers first.

Fallujah is Bush's Tet Offensive and Bay of Pigs all wrapped up in one. Bring it ON, he said! And they did.

rcm

[LynnTheDem]

22. YES his death is counted.

We ONLY count deaths at ICC AFTER the DOD and/or Centcom have issued the death notices, so YES all deaths count towards the total.

[realcountrymusic]

23. I heard otherwise

but that's good to know if it's true.

Count every vote. Count every death.

Same damn difference. Bush would lie about either one.


rcm

[LynnTheDem]

24. I help do the counting.

If you use our Iraq Casualty Count site, then yes all soldiers' deaths are counted, whether they die on the field or later in the hospital.

[realcountrymusic]

33. I meant the "official" DOD count

I think the ICC provides an amazing, sobering service. Thanks for your work. Americans are being lied to so badly about what this war is costing us.

rcm

[Qanisqineq]

21. more signs of our "catastrophic success"

"The story of what we've done in the postwar period is remarkable. ... It is a better and more important story than losing a couple of soldiers every day." George Nethercutt (R-WA)

[maddezmom]

31. does it include the 11 that died Monday?

A total of 14 Americans have been killed in the past two days across Iraq (news - web sites) — including three killed in Fallujah combat on Tuesday and 11 others who died Monday, most of them as guerrillas launched a wave of attacks in Baghdad and southwest of Fallujah, a senior Pentagon (news - web sites) official said.


The 11 deaths were the highest one-day U.S. toll in more than six months.


As fighting raged in Fallujah, Prime Minister Ayad Allawi declared a nighttime curfew in Baghdad and its surroundings — the first curfew in the capital for a year — a day after a string of insurgent attacks in the city killed nine Iraqis and wounded more than 80.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20041109/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

[maddezmom]

32. Two US military personnel killed in Iraq today

MOSUL, Iraq (AFP) - Two US military personnel were killed when their base in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul came under mortar fire, the US military said.


AFP Photo



"One Task Force Olympia soldier was killed and a second service member later died of wounds following a mortar attack on a Multi-National Base in Mosul at approximately 10:00 am (0700 GMT) today," a statement said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1515&ncid=1515&e=8&u=/afp/20041109/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_us_mosul_attacks_toll_041109163614