Voting machine glitch changes election

[eleonora]

A recently found computer glitch in the voting machines in Franklin County, Indiana has given a democrat enough votes to bump a republican from victory in a County Commissioner's race.

The glitch in the machines recorded straight Democratic Party votes for Libertarians.

The votes were re-counted last night, by hand.

The company who made the voting machine is also checking into programming of it's equipment in nine other Indiana counties.

http://www.7onyourside.com/Global/story.asp?S=2558518&nav=7CPDT4VX


I know this is local news here in Indiana but WOW!!!

[The Backlash Cometh]

1. Yo, Diebold. Do not ask for whom the bell tolls.

It tolls for thee.

[Joylaughter]

2. This is significant I think.

Did the falsey announced winner concede? Did the new winner accept victory? I wonder.

[eleonora]

6. I don't know yet...just saw it now.

[asjr]

3. When did they start calling rigging a "glitch?"

[Joylaughter]

4. Glitch in the matrix

No matter. Let all the glitches be corrected.

[Trillo]

7. Lack of responsibility.

If you're a citizen, the laws are enforced with zero-tolerance.

If you're a corporation, the spin-meisters spin until something resonates with the more cooperative masses. A corporation that never dies has no ultimate responsibility.

[Occulus]

20. and yet nobody, but NOBODY talks about corporate personhood

and every single post or thread I've made on this topic falls upon deaf ears, both here and elsewhere.

The doctrine of corporate personhood, IMO, is singlehandedly responsible for everything we dislike about corporations in general and specific corporations in particular. Corporate personhood is the root cause of our nation's problems with corruption, antitrust violations, and any and all RICO cases that may crop up, among other issues.

They do these things because they can, and they can because they are persons under our laws. This encourages the dodging of corporate responsibility.

Corporations should not have rights, only priveleges. They are not persons and should not be treated like persons.

[arikara]

25. Keep saying it over and over

because you are absolutely right on. Their only mandate is to make money for the shareholders at any cost. If the cost of more money is to corrupt the political system, or pollute the ocean, or cause the extinction of a species... so be it. Its "only business".

[Turkw]

31. absolutely agree

International corporations can have more rights than local municipalities in some cases. Very, very scary

[CAcyclist]

37. Not deaf to me

We need to either revoke corporate personhood or write into law the "death penalty" consequences of their misdeeds.

It would be great to pass a constitutional amendment stating that corporations may only exist if they benefit the public good.

[Honest_Abe]

54. Corporate Personhood

I've noticed that most who think that twelve people on a jury are perfectly capable of deciding whether a person should live or die, but they are incapable of deciding whether a corporation should live or die. That's why we have tort reform, right?
A human life is expendable, but a corporation is sacred according to our new morality.

[struggle4progress]

39. Yes! eom

[donkeyotay]

40. Good point - corporations are not persons

Persons are mortal and can be judged both legally and morally for their shortcomings. Corporations play a shell came with responsibility.

Corporations are composed of persons... maybe boards should do the time for their corporate crimes. Hmmm.

I did read a piece on crisispapers awhile back in which someone researched the case that brought about corporate personhood. The writer said the evildoers never did win the legal case for it, but it came about from a filing error... a glitch.

[Poor Richard Lex]

53. SUPPORT THE CORPORATE DEATH PENALTY

A corp gets caught defrauding,etc, it gets disbanded, assets sold and funds distributed to these with a claim against the corp.

Managers, ie Board of Directors - go to jail on felony convictions. Ordered to pay restitution to the shareholders out of their personal funds. Sitting on a Board for a fat salary will carry some real responsiblity.

The
"corporation as person" ruling is a complete sham, and devalues the worth of a human being by conferring the same rights on the organization of people.

[CheshireCat]

57. Reversing the "Corporate Personhood" decision

has to be one of our top issues, along with the "Living Wage" Issue.

Wasn't it the Supreme Court that created "Corporate Personhood" ?

How can we attack it.

I once heard Scalia say that many of the rights in our constitution were meant to apply to corportations, not people. Disgusting!

[AndyTiedye]

21. Cool Avatar!

have you seen this?

http://www.boomchicago.nl/Section/Videos/BoomChicagoVotingMachine

Looks like they called it.

[RevCheesehead]

24. Martha Stewart is both - so why is she in prison?

[arikara]

26. She's a woman

not one of the good ol'boy club, and a Democratic Party member. She was the perfect one to make an example of. Why isn't Kenny Boy in prison?

[louis-t]

32. Because repubs don't like

'Hollywood types.'

[eleonora]

9. hey, this is a Fox channel after all

[rodeodance]

29. "glitch" is a media invention--a way to diminish "every vote counts"

[Orangepeel]

5. So these Diebold machines HAD a paper trail?

and the paper trail was used to uncover a programming glitch (let's call it that for now)?

That's fantastic! This is a great foot-in-the-door to convince people who won't believe that fraud could happen that a trail is necessary.

[VegasWolf]

11. Machines in red counties had paper trails just in case hackers got in. n/t

[Cocoa]

16. not Diebold

maybe all the fuss about Diebold was just a diversion from the real culprit, Fidlar, and their evil plot to take over the country, starting with the Franklin County, IN, County Council. :tinfoilhat:

[mulethree]

35. yes diebold

They are diebold accuvote optical scanners.
But they were sold by a contractor called Fidlar

Evidently Fidlar configures the ballots and such
for the elections and they are the ones investigating
their programming - sounds like their programming just
creates configuration database entries for the Diebold software to
use.

They claim to have rechecked their work for areas that use
'straight party line' and found no more problems.

[glitch]

8. They don't mention the company name - but it's Fidlar Doubleday

http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?topic_string=5std&state=Indiana&county=Franklin
Franklin County Detail: Election Official Contact
Voting Technology: E-Voting: Touchscreen
Vendor: Fidlar Doubleday
Model: AccuVote
Data Source: h0mee - http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/voters/vot_sys.html
Last Verified: 9/13/2004

[Orangepeel]

12. is that diebold? the story has a picture of a diebold machine next to it

was it a stock photo, I wonder?

[glitch]

15. I don't think so - but Diebold isn't the only bad guy. Verifiedvoting.org

could be wrong also. The article doesn't give enough information to go by.

[jean]

17. I don't like that name, "Fidlar" - fiddling with our votes! But I

applaud and do the happy dance for the Dem who rightfully won this election!

:bounce: :kick:

[bin.dare]

19. Fidlar is Diebold

google Fidlar Diebold to get lots of connections. here is one
http://www.qctimes.com/internal.php?story_id=1038562&t=Business&c=31,1038562

which says "Bennett, who has been working with Fidlar Printing or Fidlar Election since 1981, said Fidlar Election is a premier Midwest supplier of Diebold voting machines" and "Fidlar Election territory for Diebold voting stations is Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and Wisconsin."

[glitch]

22. You're right - Fidlar is just the vendor, Diebold is the manufacturer of

Accuvote. Good catch!

[LiberalFighter]

42. I believe Florida is part of their territory if my memory is right

[Eloriel]

45. Fidlar is a distributor or installer or something for Diebold

IOW, YES!!!! it IS a Diebold machine.

[NashVegas]

10. Probably Doesn't Make a Difference in the Long Run, BUT

Indiana Statewide

Kerry, John F. John Edwards (Democratic) 968060
Badnarik, Michael Richard V. Campagna (Libertarian) 18680

(Bush Co. got 1.48m votes)

[sunnystarr]

13. It was obvious because

it registered for a Libertarian candidate. The cause wasn't any different than in other places when a straight democratic ticket was selected and a vote for Bush showed up. While it was caught by some voters we don't know how many voters never caught it. Obviously all those that wrongly registered Libertarian weren't caught by the voters, but since the Libertarian Party doesn't receive as many votes it stuck out like a sore thumb. Votes wrongly registering for Bush wouldn't stick out the same way. This alone should negate the entire sham of an election.

[eleonora]

14. misread you, sorry

Those machines have proven unreliable and must be done with.

[BlueDog2u]

36. Do we know for sure that this has happened, or

is it only a theoretical way the vote could have been padded for Bush?

Either way, it deserves much further discussion and study.

"The cause wasn't any different than in other places when a straight democratic ticket was selected and a vote for Bush showed up."

[4_Legs_Good]

18. Wow, we need all reports of this sort...

It's important to know how these machines screwed up so we can get rid of them by 2006.

Thanks!

david

[burn the bush]

23. yes someone was looking for these reports

bev, ida or someone has posted a post, today or last night asking for any reports of these glitches changing any elections. Might want to send it to them or try and find the post.

[halobeam]

41. Did anyone send this to BBV?????

Haven't heard a word about them getting this. Might be essential to do...ya think????

[wrate]

27. I wonder how many situations of this type have to happen in order for

the electoral authorities to take it seriously. I read that Yonkers had a similar situation where the Democrat lost but contested. After recounting the election was overturned. From a Computer Engineer perspective I can tell you that if one tabulator exhibits this type of behavior, every single other tabulator of the same type instantly becomes a suspect of malfunction.

[daleo]

30. That is an excellent observation

A computer "glitch" has to be in the software or firmware (hope I got the right terminology), so any other similar machine almost certainly had the same error. They should be identified, and recounts should be done wherever they were used.

[Zhade]

28. PRECEDENT FORMED. Attack on all flanks now!

NT!

[pinniped]

33. Who the hell wrote this article?

------programming of it's equipment------

[AtlantaBob]

34. ITS a TV station. They don't know how to write.....

[Zorra]

38. Well, maybe we'll find "The Glitch That Stole Ohio" soon. Boycott all

things republican!

Join us in taking back our democracy from the slime that stole the election by forcing us to vote with crooked electronic voting machines.

Economic Activism And Progressive Living Group:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=255

Campaign To Starve The Beast

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2600099

[Julius Civitatus]

43. ALL "GLITCHES" FAVOR REPUBLICANS

Is anyone else noticing this?

[Zorra]

46. Yes, and it is so far beyond coincidence that it proves fraud in itself.

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

49. YES! YES!

What are the odds of something like this happening where all glitches favor the Republicans (i.e. Moron)? With odds like this the Moron should play the lottery. Why aren't the news stations banging the fraud drums louder?

[milkyway]

44. Here's a thread from Friday discussing this problem and the manufacturer:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x44109

But it's not just Diebold machines that Indiana has had problems with. If you're really interested, here's two threads on Indiana's problems with ES&S:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=38210

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=51753

[DINKY TOWN]

47. glitch ?

OK call me stupid. I don't get it. This is what they said:

"The glitch in the machines recorded straight Democratic Party votes for Libertarians".

My understanding of English tells me this sentence is telling me that people voting Libertarian had their votes counted as Democrat votes. If it was the other way around, the sentence would read "as Libertarian". So how did votes by Libertarians being counted as Democrats result in a Democrat winning the recount? Seems to me this is another example of our inarticulate journalism majors not understanding how to write an article.

[moondust]

50. Dual meanings.

I think the intended meaning is that people who voted a straight Democratic ticket had their votes recorded not for Democratic candidates but rather for Libertarian candidates erroneously.

Welcome! :hi:

[Overseas]

48. Kick !! n/t

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

51. This is exactly why I don't vote a straight ticket

Before, I thought I was just being paranoid. Now I see it was a good idea after all.

[moondust]

52. Same here. n/t

[6th Borough]

55. Me too.

The lack of a "straight vote" option helped, of course. Well, that and the fact that I wasn't pleased with the Democratic candidate for property appraiser.

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[terbear143]

58. This is NUTS!

I can't believe that all of this information is out there for all to see. And only a select few seem to care. :wtf: