3 more counties report errors

[spotbird]

Franklin Co. equipment trouble wasn't an isolated incident


Franklin County isn't the only Indiana county that had programming troubles with optical scan voting equipment this year.

Ripley, Brown and Carroll counties each had a different problem, ranging from handcounting a race because the software program didn't comply with Indiana law to 63 unvoted ballots in one precinct, according to the scanner's tally tape.

*skip*

Voters who vote a straight ticket but want to vote for candidates of another party in multi-candidate races like at-large council will lose all votes for candidates in that race from their own party.

If a voter votes a straight Democratic ticket but picks one Republican in the at-large race, no votes count for the Democratic candidates. Only the Republican vote is counted.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041116/NEWS01/411160333/1008

*more*

[chemp]

1. link?

<eom>

[BlueEyedSon]

2. link? thx!

[byronm]

3. geezus christ

disturbing to say the least

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Do I see a patern emerging?

Nah, move along, really, no patttern, nope, nothing, ve saw noting, I tall ya, NOTING!

[Broken Acorn]

5. Wow

I guess Conspiracy Theory now = real Evidence.

[Oreo]

6. Once again....

have there been ANY "glitches" reported that give positive votes to Kerry? Of course it's got to be a coincidence!

[Spiffarino]

35. There was one race in Utah

...where the machine went stupid and screwed up votes for Repubs and Dems alike. When they fixed it the Repubs got a bunch more extra votes (something like 22,000). I read it in a SLC paper online, but I don't have the link handy. You might try a google if you care to see it.

Didn't make a spec of difference as nobody gained or lost a seat.

On edit: SLC = Salt Lake City

[Eloriel]

7. YOU FORGOT LINK!!! Please.

[Zorra]

9. This may be the link:

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041116/NEWS01/411160333/1008

[spotbird]

13. My most humble apology.

I've added it above and here it is:

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041116/NEWS01/411160333/1008

[Julius Civitatus]

8. ALL GLITCHES FAVOR RETHUGS

It's more than a coincidence already. It's a freaking pattern!!!

[Boswells_Johnson]

10. Here it is...

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041116/NEWS01/411160333/1008

It also reports:

<i>Voting systems already must undergo a public test in each county before the election and that's where Ripley County discovered an error with Fidlar Election Co. optical scan memory cards, Ripley County Clerk Ginger Bradford said.

The memory cards that count the votes in optical scanners had the wrong precinct labels, so the cards were sent back to the company, Bradford said. Bradford said she didn't know if the error could be called a programming error.

"They reprogrammed the cards when they got them back, so it sounds maybe like it was a programming error," Bradford said.</i>

[leftchick]

11. ahh you noticed that too??

you should see the "extra vote glitches" for bush* in NC!

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[leftchick]

30. why look for yourself...

over in the NC or voting problems forums.

[damntexdem]

17. Oh no! This must prove that God does favor Dubya.

After all, it would be expected that glitches would be distributed in more of a random pattern. ;-)

[progressoid]

12. Has anyone heard anything in the main steam media

besides Oberman? It all seems to be getting sidelined by Fallujah and the rats fleeing the cabinet.

[Vincardog]

14. It is up to us. Write a LTTE

[PATRICK]

18. Sidelined?

Might as well archive it for the archaeologists searching the ruins of a lost civilization. Legs belong to the GOP noise machine and no one else. No media has clout enough to go it alone or have a major impact.

I am alarmed that nothing no matter how clear and tragic can break surface. Only the constant white noise of RW hate and the force of a 911 event can shatter the noise and obscurity of the swamp. Back in the early days the public was one with its narrow media choices and believe me the situation in the awareness department and the right info was far from ideal. We cannot arouse until all voices clack in unison and most of those voices are heartily corrupt now. it is worse than an unfair media, it is a scattered and ruined slickness for an overworked and divided populace.

[PATRICK]

19. Sidelined?

Might as well archive it for the archaeologists searching the ruins of a lost civilization. Legs belong to the GOP noise machine and no one else. No media has clout enough to go it alone or have a major impact.

I am alarmed that nothing no matter how clear and tragic can break surface. Only the constant white noise of RW hate and the force of a 911 event can shatter the noise and obscurity of the swamp. Back in the early days the public was one with its narrow media choices and believe me the situation in the awareness department and the right info was far from ideal. We cannot arouse until all voices clack in unison and most of those voices are heartily corrupt now. it is worse than an unfair media, it is a scattered and ruined slickness for an overworked and divided populace.

If it isn't trumpeted extremely and forever it sinks like a stone. BBV is a great example. Even people most professionally concerned are buried in de facto apathy. The meltdown of the national forum is everywhere apparent except for those on top who like their own lack of accountability.

[Magic_Cookie]

15. OMG

The problems are endless & have a significant lean toward a certain party.
Don't forget to keep emailing this stuff to others! We have to make this a hot topic on the news whether they like it or not

[FormerOstrich]

16. Most likely this is an issue

anywhere the same equipment/version of software is used.

How many other states use the same stuff and where they allow muti-candidate picks on a straight party ticket.

It seems to me that this might explain some of the under votes in other areas. Who is responsible for determining the widespread implications of such issues?

[arikara]

20. "Glitch" is newspeak for massive fraud?

n/t

[Weembo]

21. Unbelieveable!

And these are just the ones who have come forward!

[louis-t]

22. Interesting, I had this feeling when I voted

that if I voted straight ticket and then voted for 1 repub in a local race (co-worker ran for Township Treasurer) that it might be a problem. I voted individually for all Dems except the one guy.

[WarNoMore]

23. That really makes me wonder about

my vote in my state. That's the way I voted; straight ticket except one race. We have opti-scan.

[TahitiNut]

31. It's noteworthy they said "If a voter votes a straight Democratic ticket "

I wonder what'd happen if the parties were reversed. The fact that the story only describes it one way leads me to believe it's an indication of a fraud.

On the old mechanical voting machines, if you pulled the straight party lever, it would lower the corresponding individual voting levers over that party's candidates. In order to vote an exception, you had to raise the one lever and lower the other.

To put in programming logic that invalidates every straight party vote when a single vote for a candidate of another party is selected sounds like misfeasance at the very least ... and more likely to be malfeasance.

[louis-t]

33. Instructions on ballot specifically said

one could vote this way. And remember, you Democrats, be sure and vote on Nov. 3rd, OK?

[TahitiNut]

34. That can't be a 'glitch' then.

The programming logic involved, I can assure you without a doubt, had to be specifically designed to do what it did.

I regard these (so-called) errors or 'glitches' to be beyond the realm of reason when it comes to purported program malfunctions. A programming error ('glitch') results in things like BSOD's (abends in the mainframe world) or freezes. Errors are almost NEVER well-behaved. It takes a serious EFFORT to make a program do something 'civilized' - and some testing. These aren't errors. No way. No how. These are deliberately programmed behaviors.

[chiffon]

24. What a mess Election 2004 bestows.

Due to the numerous and varied voting machines failures in the advanced age of nano and computerized technology, I am sickened that the spattering of these incidents smears across so many different sources within the media.

As of yet, MSM continues to drone our points of political commentary/communication with nuances of the current *bush RE-administration.

This is a spin campaign to distract the mass Amerikan audience of the (voting) issues at hand. We know that.

I am waiting for issues relevant to Election 2004 to be answered or summarily addressed.

Until then, I mute the box.

~chiffon

[mmonk]

25. whoops

Got democracy?

[eleonora]

26. Grrrrr

this should be first page news NATIONALLY

[ElaineinIN]

27. Baron Hill--9th Cong. D.

Baron Hill was/is my Congressional rep, and he lost to Mike Sodrel (R-Facist) by only a little over 1,000 votes. IN 9 includes Brown, and I believe both Ripley and Franklin, don't know about Carroll. While this won't make a diffence in the presidential race, it could absolutely make a differnence in IN 9---let's keep that seat! I hope to have breakfast with the new Dem party chair on Friday... I'll let you know what I hear!

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[ElaineinIN]

32. so if you're going to get pedantic

From Wikipedia: The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that

exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual,
uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition,
engages in severe economic and social regimentation, and
espouses nationalism and sometimes racism or ethnic nationalism.

So maybe Sodrel's not quite Mussolini--but from this definition you can see how the very conservative Repubs are working on this definition, and no doubt about it, Sodrel's no moderate, he is definately of the Christian conservative ilk he's anti abortion, anti gay marriage (see his "values" tab)...etc. Definiate exalted "nation" in the Iraq question, and "religion" not race--definately used modern techniques of propaganda to surpress political opposition--I sat through his nasty, negative, and false ads. The national party pumped tons of money into this district, so we got it full bore.

Hill and Sodrel debated--one of Sodrel's supporters hit an elderly woman and her husband with an anti-abortion sign and knocked her over, calling her a baby killer. Almost had arrests--I volunteered for the Kernan Davis campaign, which shared an office with Baron Hill's campaign, so I kind of de facto worked for him too sometimes. Got multiple first hand accounts of this indicent, including someone who was almost arrested for defending the woman.

Mostly, I used "fascist" as political hyperbole, wry humor and general disgust, but look at this definition and its scary to apply to Repubs as a whole.

Hopefully your 4th post will add something more to the discussion, Snidely.