GOP envisions Hillary vs. Powell matchup

[Freddie Stubbs]

By DEVLIN BARRETT
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Rodham Clinton vs. Colin Powell in 2006?

That's the political heavyweight matchup envisioned by a Republican congressman who is urging the outgoing secretary of State to return to New York and challenge the first-term senator.

Rep. Vito Fossella of New York said he spoke to Powell on Tuesday and made the case for the retired four-star general to enlist in the Republican Party's effort to defeat Clinton, a standard-bearer for the Democrats.

"His roots and heart have always been in New York. I think he'd make a great representative and I urge him strongly to consider running," Fossella said.

more: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apelection_story.asp?category=1131&slug=Powell%20Clinton

[revree]

1. Why don't we just let them have America

Jees, are they all arrogant, power hungry assholes who have to be in control? Oh, yeah...they are!!!

[edbermac]

28. Hillary will not run in 2008!

You think the Swift Bloat Liars were bad? Wait until Hillary runs...every lunatic neocon bloviator will be tripping all over themselves beating a path to the FAUX news studio to spew their bile against her...they'll make Ann Coulter and Michael Savage sound like the voices of reason...the Vince Foster "murder" would be at least two months worth of headlines...if she's smart she'll stay in the Senate until a Dem majority comes along, then she'll have some real power...

[Carolab]

37. AGREE

They ALL suck

[roguevalley]

2. I wouldn't vote for Powell if I had a gun to my head.

[briemann]

3. This is so sad.

Please let us have the blue states!

[Worst Username Ever]

4. He won't win New York n/t

[Turbineguy]

5. Powell?

No way, he's not crazy enough.

[Sterling]

65. Yes you are right, they wont run Powell he is not "inside" enough.

I am not sure what the pukes have in store for us but I cannot imagine it is fielding moderates for the next election.

[Name removed]

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[Devil Dog Dem]

7. Hey Freeper, why don't you go back to posting on . . .

RepressedSelf-loathingHomosexual.com and stay away from DU.

[54anickel]

9. Heh-heh, care to elaborate?

[Devil Dog Dem]

12. Mint is a Freeper

And, like all Freepers, he/she/it is a repressed, self-loathing homosexual.

[54anickel]

22. Yeah, I figured, just wanted to see if I could get a reply since that was

Mint's first post. I see he/she is already up to 5 now - must be on a roll.

[progressiveBadger]

16. You mean Clinton right?

Um... no way a puke would win in NY against Clinton. Not after this election.

[VegasWolf]

48. They don't have Diebold machines do they?

[NewHampshireDem]

8. What are they going to think of him once he writes his book ...

You know, the one in which he tells all about how Wolfie kidnapped his family before sending him out to the UN to do the neo-cons dirty work.

[sonicx]

10. ain't powell kinda old?

[Sandpiper]

11. The GOP has this pathological need

To beat the Clintons at something, anything.

They hate the Clintons, and because the Clintons always kick their ass, they hate them that much more.

[progressiveBadger]

18. It's true...

they are still trying to compare W to Clinton.

[tk2kewl]

13. Doesn't look like NYers in the Bronx think much of him any more

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/politics/ny-nydugg164043945nov16,0,6349121.column

[Kolesar]

24. That was scathing ... eom

[Khephra]

Great

Another two candidates who were happy to march off to fight a war that didn't need to be fought.

Color me as unthrilled.

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Fosella makes me embarrassed to be Italian

What a crock of shit.

[BlueManDude]

50. makes me embarrased that my mom was born in staten island n/t

[gatorboy]

15. What's their next step?

Cloning Schwarzenegger so we have one in every state?

On second thought, maybe I shouldn't give them any ideas....

[Toucano]

17. Powell is through.

Simple and true. He isn't a politician and is too old to learn. Off to the dustbins with you Colin!

[leesa]

19. The GOP certainly has been pushing for Hillary

Powell will hopefull be in prison for treason and war crimes by that time. Maybe even Hillary will be there since she has wholeheartedly supported the warmongering.

[calimary]

59. Probably because they think they still have a score to settle.

They never beat Clinton. They just barely impeached him, but couldn't take it all the way. They couldn't stop her, either. Can't outsell either of 'em, bookwise. Probably can't stand it that Bill can go ANYWHERE around the world AND/OR most of this country and be treated almost like a rock star, and their little turd has to force people to sign loyalty oaths to ensure they're not going to pee on his parade. And deep down, I suspect they realize jackass junior's overall record in the White House will pale by comparison to Big Dog's.

Every instant that they have to see his picture or think about him, they're reminded of the eight years that got away, and the imperial entitlement to the White House that jackass senior was deprived of by Clinton's success. And they hate Hillary because she shares his luster and part of that eight-year success story - they couldn't get her down, either, much as they tried. Probably doesn't help 'em that these types are so stunningly and incomprehensibly threatened by smart, powerful, capable, independent, articulate, well-educated, accomplished women. Look what they tried to do to Hillary (AND, also, to Teresa Heinz Kerry, for that matter!).

All they know is hate, character assassination and revenge. Hope it finally takes 'em down. ALL THE WAY down.

[chiffon]

20. Pig wash...or should I say "Hog Wash"

Not gonna happen and this is pure hyperbole. Powell for one, is not seeking the presidential position.

He could have had it in 2000, for sure.

Nothing here folks.

~chiffon

[mazzarro]

21. If Bowell runs and democrats don't pull out all the bones he has

in his closet and his UN lies and all what nots, then we don't deserve to continue as a party. I am DAMN TIRED of us playing the NICE guy while we continously get clobbered by the BAD guys everytime. It is about time we stopped taking ALL the crap from the reThugs.

[BeyondGeography]

23. Keep your UN lying ass out of NY, Colie

Like he gives a shit about domestic issues anyway. Hillary would mop the floor with him.

[lancdem]

25. I'm sure he won't run

He could've run for president in '96 or 2000 and didn't. Why would he be interested in the Senate, especially against a formidable opponent? Fossella is just dreaming.

[JPace]

26. Its a grinding and torturous grind running for president....

not something most would want to do. Powell does not have the drive.

[Freddie Stubbs]

67. This article is about him running for the US Senate,

not for President.

[Charlie Brown]

27. Is Powell from New York?

[Freddie Stubbs]

31. Yep.

Born and raised in NYC.

[4_Legs_Good]

29. Powell can't beat Hillary in NY

No way.

Right???

Now he might be okay in Illinois or maybe some other blue state. I bet he could unseat Feinstein in California.

But not Ms. Clinton in NY.

david

[DrZeeLit]

30. He slam dunked all his credibility. He hasn't a prayer... unless...

...nah, NYC is so much more savvy than the fundaMentals.

[benddem]

32. Colin won't run

Alma won't let him. She knows there are enough nuts in this country that an African American president would be a great target for some of those ninnies who run around with confederate flags to knock off.
She won't put up with it. How do I know this? I know a good friend of theirs.

[Gingersnapsback]

36. Hillary said Senator elect Obama from IL will run in 2008

She doesn't want to be subjected to the republican attack machine, or clean up after Bush's mess. Chelsea will be the closest possibility for a woman president from the Clinton family in our life time. :) :)

[JoFerret]

33. Let him try

His record is one of cover-up and lies. And since he has served BushCo he has lost all credibility - to have allowed himself to be used like that....what does that say about character and integrity? All squandered.

[BayCityProgressive]

34. Hillary will never lose to anyone

Hillary is a true master politician and too beloved by too many people to lose to anyone. Guliani or Powell would both lose to her. I think the GOP is STUPID to run a strong candidate like Powell or Guliani because if they lose to Hillary everyone will say "Wow look how strong hillary is, she can beat anyone" and it would actually give her a huge boost for the 08 nomination.

[Forkboy]

35. The Repubs are so fucked up that even Powell would be a step up

[devilgrrl]

38. Bollocks!

What a bunch of hooey!

[drdtroit]

39. Nope, not welcome here in the Apple nor any of the Empire state.

Persona non grata, you dig!

[patricia92243]

40. Does the article mean for Senator of NY? Not President.

[davidinalameda]

41. why would he want to be in the Senate

Alma would veto any run

[Stinky The Clown]

42. Self Delete

self delete ... hadda picture I tried to paste ... no go

[foolonthehill]

44. Heya, folks.

This is my first post. Please be gentle. :)

I think it would be easier for Hillary to defeat Colin Powell than Rudy Guliani. Can we cross party lines in NY in the primary, like what happens in Georgia? The cons in GA voted for Cynthia McKinney's primary opponent in the 2002 primary, IIRC. That knocked her out of contention.

Can this happen in NY? could we determine who the opponent would be, and vote for the "least likely to succeed"?

[Mizmoon]

52. New York is more than NYC

Guliani may, and I stress may, do well in the city, but there is all of upstate NY to woo as well. I can't see Rudy doing well there. He's got that slick city thing that they really don't like at all.

Powell also would have an uphill climb upstate.

Hillary only did well there because of her "Listening Tour" and will do well again because her office is the best, most responsive I've ever seen. You ask them a question about anything at all and it will be answered within a day or so. Service with a smile, and she pisses off the Red States to boot. Go Hill!

ON EDIT: Oh, where are my manners? Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Tacos al Carbon]

55. Upstate New York

Actually, upstate NY is generally moderate to center-right. That's why NY has a Republican Governor even though NYC and even Guiliani were against him. Guiliani would actually do better outside of NYC in any statewide contest (well, except for the primaries). As for Powell, he'd be a formidable candidate but I just don't think that he'd be interested in running, especially now that he can make millions on the speaking circuit and in other private industry pursuits. Anyway, he has at least a year to decide.

[Mizmoon]

60. I disagree

If Pataki tried to call himself a Republican in any other state, he'd be laughed out of office.

[mmonk]

43. The GOP doesn't choose our candidates, the press

does.

[Freddie Stubbs]

61. The Democratic voters of NY have already chosen her

Is someone running against her in the primary next year?

[Dr Fate]

45. If she can "tell it like it is" and point out Powell's record of lies...

...and frame him as "the liar who got us into the war for no reason"-then she will have no problem.

Ridicule the "aluminum tubes" and the "drones" and "mobile weapons labs"

I dont care if she "voted for the war" or not- SHE never lied about the evidence- Powell did.

If she cant tell it like it is, then she will lose, and it will be her own fault-all she has to do is HAMMER him w/ the truth and she will be fine.

[Clarkie1]

46. I think Powell would win easily

[stanwyck]

51. Who would vote

for him? He's not respected by anyone anymore. He lied to the world with clip art. Yes, clip art of imaginary mobile weapons labs. (shown later to be British weather trailers). He spoke of hundreds of sites of weapons of mass destruction. And. Not one has been found. He's destroyed his credibility.
The Republicans hate him for speaking up against the invasion and not touting the Bushian lies. The Dems hate him for being a lackey. He's a cipher now. He's been neutered. Marginalized. The best thing he can do is be a good soldier and fade away.

[Freddie Stubbs]

53. Who would vote for Bush?

Apperntly there are 59 million fo them. Although New York is a solidly Democratic state, it has to have the ability to go for the GOP (Pataki has been elected three times, and NYC hasn't had a Democratic mayor since 1993).

[stanwyck]

62. good points (n/t)

[hollowdweller]

47. If Edwards keeps his nose clean and has a voting record that

includes the middle class and doesn't include any gun control he could kick Colin's ass who has proven himself a liar.

Hillary would be a great president, but she is gonna need to take some time for the GOP spin machine to get off the Clinton thing. They are still running against him.

[Tacos al Carbon]

56. Edwards?

Where would Edwards have a voting record? His Senate term ends in January.

[iamjoy]

49. Nope, They Want Rudy....

He would be a formidable opponent for Hillary.

Personally, I think we should encourage Guiliani to run for President in 2008, and pledge our support as long as he remains socially Liberal. Of course, I might have truly supported Guiliani, but after his whoring in this last election, no way.

The thing is, if we encourage people like Guiliani who are socially Liberal, we an exploit the buried rift in the Republican Party between the "Religious Right" and the Pro-Business types who really don't care if gays marry or women have abortions as long as they have their tax cuts.

The danger of course is, some one like Guiliani might actually win. But they're talking about Senator Cat Killer running in 2008 and I don't see how Rudy would be any worse.

[nevadascandal]

54. Given the way things are going Cheney will be running....

with Rumsfeld as VP

:puke:

[calimary]

57. Excuse me for the rant/explosion, but...

I'm fucking SICK of hearing what some republi-CON thinks!!!!!!!!!! I've had it UP TO HERE with what the republi-CONS think!!!!!!!! OR whatever the FUCK they want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or however the FUCK they think things oughta be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, Vito, ASSHOLE:

Envision THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Fill in any go-cheney-yourself image you like, here. It'll probably be quite appropriate. And CERTAINLY well-deserved.)

[PROGRESSIVE1]

58. If he runs then he knows that we WILL go after him for his CRIMINAL.....

support of the Iraq War!

[Tab]

63. Not gonna happen

I'd be real surprised if Powell did this.

Despite the UN speech he at least has some semblence of self-respect.

I'm sure his response would be a la Jon Stewart... "No. No. I'm not going to be your monkey."

[Bragi]

64. Perfect...

Four more years of neocon rule, four more years of fear, four more years of Fox News under their belt, and I'm sure both these pols will campaign so far to the right that voters will once again vote for the real GOP xenophobe and militarist over the Dems rhetorical xenophobe and militarist.

[CHICKEN CAPITOL USA]

66. Hillary supported giving * power to invade IRAQ-no excuse-she's outahere

Do you remember hearing the speech that day on the House floor?
Anyone who heard it please stand up now and speak up
Senator Bird had a GREAT speech--
remember him saying "commander in cheef--ha ha- " and laughing at the idea of giving this IDIOT ANY power
Maybe there's a recording floating around I'll post it-
BUT-
REMEMBER Hillary's speech ?-
Who here remembers?
"I TRUST YOU MISTER PRESIDENT , I TRUST YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT THING"
:puke:
When I heard that I was SCREAMING at the radio !!
I could not bE LEEEEVE she was oking this !!

We need to find somone with a SPINE to stand up to * CRIME FAMILY--the most powerful Crime Family in the history of the United States of America *

Who's with me in thinking a kiss ass has no chance?