Chief of C.I.A. Tells His Staff to Back Bush -NYT

[finecraft]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/17/politics/17intel.html?hp&ex=1100667600&en=bdf50ba54566e1cb&ei=5094&partner=homepage

(snip) Porter J. Goss, the new intelligence chief, has told Central Intelligence Agency employees that their job is to "support the administration and its policies in our work,'' a copy of an internal memorandum shows.

"As agency employees we do not identify with, support or champion opposition to the administration or its policies," Mr. Goss said in the memorandum, which was circulated late on Monday. He said in the document that he was seeking "to clarify beyond doubt the rules of the road."

While his words could be construed as urging analysts to conform with administration policies, Mr. Goss also wrote, "We provide the intelligence as we see it - and let the facts alone speak to the policymaker.'' (end snip)

[Hobarticus]

1. "The Scarlet Order of the Iron Fist will now give our blood oath..."

Yeesh.

[AnnaBergeson]

8. True, but..

There are a lot of leftovers from the Clinton era in there. Of course Bush is going to get rid of them. He was angry about their attempts to undermine him in the election campaign.

[Laelth]

14. What attempts to undermine him, exactly?

I never heard about any attempt by the CIA to undermine *? I would think that if the CIA had tried to undermine *, they would have succeeded. Can you give examples?

-Laelth

[9119495]

20. Um...I think the poster was being sarcastic. And they were doing a

godd job of it. (and that is not sarcasm)...(nor was that).

[NewYorkerfromMass]

23. AnnaBergeson -28 posts and no more

she be 6 ft. down.

[Julius Civitatus]

30. Just saying Bush may not be right...

..about the WMD lie, or simply to point that Saddam never got yellowcake from Niger is "undermining" Dear Leader.

Basically pointing out anything related to the "Reality Based World" or those pesky things called "facts" equals undermining the president.

[0007]

17. Sounds like your packing around sour grapes! How about a link?

[grumpy old fart]

28. Undermine???

You tell a guy that there are no WMD and that starting a war with Iraq is the worst move you could possibly make in the "War on Terror", and he completely ignores you. You leak this information out as best you can to the reality based world, and the press and half the country ignores you. You can't undermine this f'cking chimp. They need to get better at this "undermining" business if this country is to be saved from the Chimp King.

[RyomaSakamoto]

56. and FIND those GOD DAMNED WMDs... NOW!!!

peace

[lovuian]

2. What about backing America their Oath is to the US!!!

Goss is going to far!!!

[UrbScotty]

38. That's what I was wondering. What about PROTECTING AMERICA?

:eyes:

[finecraft]

3. Goss' quote is straight from Wolfowitz's CIA playbook

Check out this paper by Wolfowitz on the CIA website. Wolfowitz was a member of "Team B". This is what Wolfowitz says the Team B project proved:

"Artificial separation of intelligence and policy, in contrast, serves only to degrade the performance of both systems.

Great harm is done if differences in professional values cause the two groups to avoid close contact.
How to cooperate? Ambassador Wolfowitz believes:

Intelligence production should be driven by the policy process."

http://www.odci.gov/csi/studies/96unclass/davis.htm

Yep, we will now have Doug Feith's OSP set-up on a larger scale...the whole freaking CIA. The CIA is being destroyed by the folks at PNAC.

[oldhat]

4. It's like Heaven's Gate or something...

[Borgnine]

41. That's what I've been saying for awhile now.

[Barrett808]

7. Good observation. But this effort is doomed.

Remember the last time there was a purge of the CIA?

[leftchick]

11. would that be

1963?

[JHB]

19. No, in the 70's under Carter...

A lot of "disgruntled former employees" unofficially joined the "Poppy Bush for President in 1980" campaign, then helped Reagan once Poppy was made the VP on the ticket.

[KeepItReal]

5. Civil Servants now swear allegiance to Bush *instead* of Constitution?

Y'all know where I'm going with this one....

[yellowcanine]

27. Good point that should be made known to this smarmy little butt kisser.

[Julius Civitatus]

34. Goss to CIA: You're All Chimp's Bitches Now!!!

I think this bunch is moving from the PNAC book to the book of Mao. This allegiance to the Emperor is starting to scare me.

[Gemini Cat]

6. They are suppose to uphold the constitution!!

Goss has completely gone off the rails with this!

[CityDem]

9. Did we expect anything different from Goss

He was sent in to clean up the CIA and the senators that confirmed his knew this was coming. They lacked the courage to kill this nomination. Thanks again Tommy.

[Bridget Burke]

10. When he was confirmed, many thought Kerry would win.

Therefore, Goss would only be a temporary problem. Why not just confirm him to avoid any unpleasantness?

The joke was on them. And on us.

[0007]

18. It didn't even cross my mind that junior would still be in office.

[NashVegas]

12. duplicate thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=996622

[OKNancy]

13. Although this is a duplicate topic

I am going to leave this thread open as this is the actual NYTimes article that Drudge was writing about in the other thread.

[Sterling]

35. Boomer Sooner.

I was at the Nebraska game!!!. Where they booed Tom Brokaw apparently because he is part of the "librrull media". :eyes:

[Moderator]

15. Kick

:kick:

[Massachusetts]

16. Citizen thinking under the Goss regime

"We have met the enemy and it is us".

[NewYorkerfromMass]

21. Ask yourself: What kind of a President even needs such a memo?

kudos to the NYTimes for exposing this.

[maddezmom]

24. the kind of pretzeldent that goes to war with manufactured evidence

of WMD's and imminent nuclear threats. :eyes:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

25. I was thinking more like: one who needs manufactured loyalty

a fairly disturbing concept.

[Name removed]

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[Demeter]

32. Who's Sorry Now?

Bet the CIA wishes they'd treated Clinton with a little more respect--just like Maureen Dowd and other media whiners who daily sought to tear him down, and now see the results of their PMS.

[Poll Ally]

51. I still don't think they get it Demeter

Forget the blogs of citizens like this one here, people have the right to discuss and comment. But what many did, like Maureen Dowd only served to galvanize the hard right. Michael Moore and Maureen Dowd in particular BECAME the issue and gave the hard right a reason to vote. The hatred for Bush drove left wingers to the polls in enormous numbers, but the unabated hatred for people like Maureen Dowd drove more righties.

She just doesn't get it, nobody really cares what she thinks. Michael Moore has now made 1/2 a billion dollars off of others misfortunes. Between Columbine and now Iraq, he's profited off the backs of dead kids. Far as I know he's contributed ZERO to the families of the dead soldiers that he had no problem using on his site.

Take the comments down in Miami last weekend where either Dowd or her sidekick referred to those that voted for Bush as "Walmart type people". Yeah, that's smart and won't get them out in droves again in 4 years.

[PurityOfEssence]

26. That's precisely what the CIA's analysts are NOT supposed to do

The CIA's supposed to gather intelligence with complete impartiality. Operatives, on the other hand, are out there to do the bidding of the administration, so in that sense he's not saying anything new.

Students of the Nazi era will remember that the real methods of consolidation were the enabling act and getting the military to swear a loyalty oath. In return for purging the SA (and their embarrassing gay leadership) Hitler got the armed services to swear a loyalty oath to him personally. By doing so, he elevated himself above the state.

To have Goss cashier anyone who isn't rigidly partisan and remind them that their loyalty is to George Bush rather than the Constitution, Congress and the people is much the same thing.

I wonder when the "national emergency" will start...

[stevietheman]

29. And Condiloser Rice...

is about to do similar things to the State Department.

Maybe we should try to stop her nomination from being approved.

[donkeyotay]

31. Didn't the lying Goss claim he could be non-partisan

when his controversial appointment was made?

The people who leaked were patriots who were trying to get a whiff of truth to the American people when it's clear this maladministration has no use for the truth.

:nuke:

[Bridget Burke]

33. And what about that CIA report on 9/11?

The one that actually named names of those whose failure allowed the attack to occur?

The one that was "too hot" to come out before the election?

Any guesses on when it might be released?

(I'm not holding my breath, either.)

[Julius Civitatus]

37. It will never see the light of day

It's part of the Goss plan.

[Mountainman]

36. Well I guess they can start handing out reprints of the SS handbook soon.

They replace the real CIA with the one that made up evidence of WMD's.

[Supersedeas]

39. Support-buttress-fortify the Admin not matter what...LOL..ah & tell truth

as an after-thought...

The CIA has been through this before...thanks for the Memo Lord Porter

[Democat]

40. Democrats approved this idiot too!

They didn't want to offend Bush so they approved this guy. What do we expect when our party has no spine at all?

[wiggs]

52. Again. I don't understand this.

Yes, the democrats approved this guy. Our democrats in congress are supposed to be the opposition party and Goss was a partisan choice.

One of the problems at the CIA that we heard about was that the CIA gave the oval office intelligence information that was skewed to what the oval office wanted to hear. The reports were not objective enough.

So we get Goss, a party loyalist, to head the CIA?

I fully understand why Bush nominated him. I can't understand why the democrats went along. But then again, the democrats haven't acted like they represent us and the democratic party for four years.

[LibeMatt]

42. Beria Goss

F#@*!ing Porter "Lavrentii Beria" Goss. Purging the NKVD, sorry, the CIA, for the benefit of the Party.

"Lads, Your duty is to the Son of the Great (not Other) Father, Bush, and by extension to your country. Bush is the country, and the party."

This will definitely be a short-term disaster for effective U.S. Intelligence; whether it is a long-term disaster depends on how long the Bush Gang and its successors rule before they are voted out by margins that even theft or martial law cannot stop, and how many old hands can be persuaded to come back and help rebuild once the Gang is gone.

Interesting how the all-American Bush Gang seems to take its cues from the Communist Party of the old Soviet Union--just deny inconvenient truth, rig the economy to benefit a few, get rid of all but the yes-men and corrupt, and politicize everything.

Fortunately, we still DO have the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and a few other good things available to us. Even this ill-famed Gang will pass, probably sooner than we think.

np: Ozric Tentacles 8 April 1988

[FoonTheElder]

43. Expect More of This

You have to expect this, all Fascistas purge the lower level people who participated in the disinformation campaigns that they want to keep secret. This isn't the end of the purge.

Remember, all revolutionaries kill their sons.

[kodi]

44. another sign the asshole busheviks equate bush with the state

goss is a lying, murdering little prick

[Flying Coyote]

45. Goss video - admits he's not even qualified for CIA

Check this out...the video is the first link in the post

http://www.peterbergin.com/index.php?p=43

[dave29]

46. Enronomics

Corporate Nepotism

Whatever you want to call it.

[finecraft]

47. AP version of story - CIA Director to Employees: Avoid Politics

Here is their "administration friendly" version of the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041117/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_goss

CIA Director to Employees: Avoid Politics

(snip)...WASHINGTON - Moving to tighten control over the nation's spy agency after widespread criticism and internal dissent, new CIA (news - web sites) Director Porter Goss is telling employees to avoid politics and keep their focus on serving the administration.

"We do not make policy, though we do inform those who make it. We avoid political involvement, especially political partisanship," he wrote in the e-mail on Monday.

The White House made clear Wednesday that the agency's role was to provide policy-makers with intelligence. "It's not to set policy," spokesman Scott McClellan said.

"'Support' means intelligence support," said a CIA official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. (end snip)....

Sure.....We all know you meant "intelligence support", when you said "we support the administration and its policies in our work."
Yeah, right.

[ElementaryPenguin]

48. Their alllegance is to "Republica" - not America!

Fine - let only Republicans pay taxes then - since they are the only one now being represented or protected in this country!!!

:puke:
:argh:
:mad:

[Poll Ally]

50. taxes

Well if the conception is right that all republicans are rich and white, they pretty much are paying all the taxes per the IRS

:)

[wordout]

49. wha-?!? "Chief of C.I.A. Tells His Staff to Whack Bush -NYT"

thats what i thought it read. honest.

[RubyCat]

53. The Republicans are consolidating their power.

The whole world knows it. The only people who don't see it are us Americans.

[killbotfactory]

54. Didn't he swear under oath he'd be non-partisan?

Fucking republicans.

[liberal_patriot_md]

55. here we go again

with the suave diplomat rice over at state and the intelligence agencies reduced to nothing more than yes men, I better start packing my duffel and stocking up on sunscreen. I betting in less than 1 month after this election is made "official" we'll start hearing "attack Iran" talk coming from the white house in earnest