Macomb teens end pregnancy with beating

[llmart]

http://www.detnews.com/2004/metro/0411/17/A01-7649.htm


RICHMOND TOWNSHIP -- Investigators said a pregnant 16-year-old girl allowed her boyfriend to beat her with a miniature baseball bat to cause a miscarriage, which may lead to criminal charges against the teens and one of their parents.

The girl estimated she was four months pregnant, said Macomb County Prosecutor-elect Eric Smith. Police said the boy's mother helped transport the fetus to her home and bury it in the backyard.

Smith said the beatings were "done over a period of three weeks. It was done in an effort to terminate the pregnancy."



In Michigan a teenager under 18 needs parental approval for an abortion. Guess desperate teens will do anything to "abort" if they have to. I guess abortion foes prefer this?

(This is my first posted thread. Hope I did it right.)

[Minimus]

1. unbelievable!

[MissB]

2. And I thought coat hangers were bad.

Wow. Just wow.

[slackmaster]

5. Many years ago a teenage boy in Los Angeles shot his pregnant GF

He shot her in the abdomen with a hollow-point .38 Special thinking the bullet would make a nice clean round hole and do just enough damage to the uterus to end the pregnancy.

Needless to say, the girl was killed.

[flobee1kenobi]

10. HEY FREEPERS!!!

IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED????

because this is what is going to happen!
read this article closely and remember it
remember what im saying now so it can be discussed again when it becomes widespread!
Because you can bet that I will bring it up again.
Don't you dare act suprised-you folks wanted it, not us

[Politicub]

13. Are you kidding?

Stuff like this turns the freepers on. I bet half of them are masturbating (ehw ehw ehw) as they read it.

[George_S]

27. You don't understand.

Freepers are eugenicists and think all of this is good. The baby had bad genes because the mother and father had bad genes. They will simply want the mother and father incarcerated and taken out of the gene pool. They would prefer to sterilize her, but that pesky checks and balances thing got in the way of that.

[central scrutinizer]

34. They rely on abstinence for birth control

except they don't want THEIR girlfriends to practice abstinence. If their girlfriend does get pregnant - nice knowing you, see you later, don't even think about asking for child support cause I know the little brat's not mine, you slut.

[slackmaster]

3. Classic unintended consequence of a restrictive law

Any time you try to legislatively ban something that people really want to do, they find a way around the law.

Freedom of choice is almost always the best situation. Let people make their own decisions about private matters.

:puke:

[TahitiNut]

44. My (neoconservative) cousin lives there.

Without a doubt, this is a side-effect of McCarthyist conservative social repression.

"Parental consent" anyone? :puke: :puke: :puke:

[slackmaster]

46. I think a 16-year-old who is having consensual sex is old enough

To make up her own mind to terminate a pregnancy.

Maybe there's a dysfunctional relationship with her mother, but the girl has already shown that she is capable of making adult decisions. Bad decisions for sure, but she's put herself into the role of adult WRT her own body.

[TahitiNut]

54. Let's face it.

When teens are engaged in sexual intercourse, they've passed the point where parental consent makes any kind of sense. "Parental consent" sure wasn't relevant to such behavior. As far as I'm concerned, incipient "parenthood" is a self-emancipating condition unless it's the result of (non-statutory) rape. (Even then, it's arguable.)

I figure it this way: The civil rights of a minor are a custodial duty of the parent or guardian. What's being "guarded" are, in fact, the minor's civil liberties and entitlements. Can such guardianship be held by a minor who is, in turn, under another's guardianship? No!

[Roaming]

68. Seems to me, though, that this happened right now, with freedom

of choice, so it would happen regardless of whether more laws are passed restricting abortion.

[susanna]

82. Uh...this one is pretty new to me.

This tactic has not been a widespread thing during an era of "freedom of choice." If it has, I am not aware of it.

I present the following argument: the girl grew up in an anti-surgical abortion home, but feels perfectly fine with letting her boyfriend pound on her abdomen with a baseball bat until their fetus was killed. No harm, no foul!?

Law of unintended consequences, indeed.

[jdj]

4. ah, abortion the old fashioned way.

drink some white lightnin, jump off the porch, or throw yourself down a flight of stairs.

If that don't work, out come the knitting needles and the wire-hangers.

This is a tragedy for all involved. Get used to it if Roe gets over turned, plus now they have Connors law to try them with

[okieinpain]

23. hey america get's what it pays for. I say overturn roe v. wade.

I think we should goad them at every chance. do it, do it, do it, do it, do it.

[RedCon1]

78. I completely agree

Let us collectively embrace the abyss in all of its aspects. Let America reap the rewards of her decision.

[ecoalex]

6. Yes they did only what they could

With abortions way up with bush, because of the economy in the toilet for the poor, the tightening up of abortions, denial by pharmacists to fill legal prescriptions for contraceptions, what else is there to do but use a hanger, or trauma to the fetus. Thx christians for your inhumanity, nice morals eh?

[Cheswick2.0]

30. oh get off the christian blame thing

I am a christian and a stronger pro-choice defender you will not find here.

[VegasWolf]

37. Yes, but if it's not the christians trying to outlaw abortion, who is it?

[w4rma]

41. fundamentalist Muslims. fundamentalist Jews. fundamentalist Christans.

and non-religious, ultra-wealthy power moguls who could really care less about the subject except as a wedge issue to divide the masses against themselves instead of uniting against them.

Us non-fundamentalist Christians listened to Jesus's Sermon on the Mount and are trying to outlaw war and poverty, instead.

[TahitiNut]

60. Bourgeois nationalism

Bourgeois nationalism is a term from Marxist phraseology. It refers to the practice of dividing people by nationality, race, ethnicity, or religion, in order to make them hate (and possibly fight) each other. It it seen as a divide and conquer strategy used by the ruling classes to prevent the working class from uniting against them (hence the Marxist slogan, Workers of all countries, unite!).

The antonym of Bourgeois nationalism is Proletarian internationalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeois_nationalism

---

Isn't it funny how we're not supposed to read the opposition "playbook"?

[w4rma]

39. Agreed. Again!

Clearly more work needs to be done around here to change the language some folks use about us religious folks.

[JNelson6563]

45. I propose "faux Christians"

negative generalizations will only yield negative results. We Dems need all the Christian friends (the real kind of Christian that is) that we can get.

Julie

[maxrandb]

63. I Like My Name For Them

Evangelical Pharisees! Easy to shorten to EP's.

[w4rma]

64. Your name for them is HORRIBLE because it is grossly *inaccurate*.

Evangelicalism is NOT the same thing as fundamentalism. Any Christian who promotes Christianity is an "evangelical".

Fundamentalism specifically refers to their interpretation of the Bible.

Do NOT use the term "evangelical" as if it means "right-wing" or "fundamentalist". Do NOT.

[Medium Baby Jesus]

75. You are right. Evangelicals are much worse.

Missionaries are the are a scourge on the earth.

[Divine Discontent]

79. "are the are a scourge?" whatever....

you weren't sure how hateful you wanted to be huh? you wanted to say they were one of the scourges of the earth or THE scourge of the earth... whew. that's some hate.

Mother Theresa was a great example of a real missionary. There are exceptions to most everything, of course, who likes the suit wearing mormons and some of the other faux missionaries who only think of people as a number. A real missionary literally SERVES God's people with love and understanding and politely asks the people they're serving if they would like to attend worship and most of the time they don't even HAVE to say that, people just start talking. That's it, that's all. Your calling missionaries the scourge of the earth is such flame bait and juvenile, that it's LAUGHABLE! Most Missionaries are wonderful lovers of people and have done millions of good things around the world for those in need. There are exceptions to most everything as I said.

For example, MOST DU'ers respect other people's beliefs and do not MOCK them, then there are the exceptions, like you.

The 1st guy had it RIGHT. Don't call them evangelicals, they are Fundamentalists, and there view is a very strict and opinionated view, and in my polite opinion I feel doesn't fully embrace the humanity and love that Jesus taught.

God bless the martyred, like the C.A.R.E. director who was slaughtered for caring for those in Iraq who needed a loving hand - for the peacemakers shall be called his Children!

[The Icon Painter]

77. I'm With You

I had been using just 'Pharisees' hoping the holies would get it, but I like EP better. Thanks!}(

[Krupskaya]

7. That poor girl.

Jayzus...to feel that kind of desperation that you submit to that.

[chiburb]

8. You did just fine with your 1st thread...

:-)

[MissB]

9. Yes indeed. (nt)

[Divine Discontent]

81. I third that

and I agree, how SAD of a 1st post to see as not having been mentioned yet on DU.


WELCOME! :grouphug: :hi: :yourock:

[fob]

11. I can't wait til jesus w bush* makes 'bortion illegal so it won't happen

anymore. Just like how outlawin' murder stopped people from killin' one another, and EXACTLY like the war on drugs ended the use of drugs by all Americans.

/insanity (please)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. just tragic...now these kids that need parental permission

will probably be tried as adults...go fucking figure

[Unstuck In Time]

15. Excellent point, sadly. n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

25. Flip-flopping.

It's a right? Minor, no right.
It's a liability? Adult, go nuclear on his ass.
It's a right? Minor, no right.
It's a liability? Adult, go nuclear on his ass.
It's a right? Minor, no right.
It's a liability? Adult, go nuclear on his ass.
It's a right? Minor, no right.
It's a liability? Adult, go nuclear on his ass.

[Ima]

52. What scares me

Just what will they be tried for? That poor girl, I couldn't imagine letting someone hit me with a bat.

[chiburb]

14. Way, way too sad...

"They are a very nice family," neighbor Audrene Hudechek said. "They are two good kids. They were just really scared."

The young couple has dated for about seven months, said Lillian Brincefield, 19, of Armada, who knows both of them.

"They didn't know how to deal with being pregnant," Brincefield said.

Brincefield said the couple told her the boy hit the girl only once and that she miscarried later that day after being hit playing after-school sports.

While 87 percent of Michigan counties have no legal abortion providers, Macomb County does, said Rebekah Warren, executive director of MARAL Pro-Choice Michigan, a statewide abortion rights advocacy group.

[Blue_Tires]

16. expect more of this in the future

4 more years, indeed

[apnu]

21. Kick for reality

you hit the nail on the head there!

/sarcasm on
This is this shining world of Bushco... let the dumpster babies return!
/sarcasm off

:kick:

[lil-petunia]

17. Nice first post. Except for the topic. Man, talk about

problems that will reraise their ugly heads in the near future.

[One_Life_To_Give]

18. Adults let these kids down?

Where were the adults in all of this? Wouldn't a single phone call to Planned Parenthood have gotten this taken care of? Either by securing a parents signature or Court order. What about the school coucilors? Extended family, neighbors?

More than anything else my concern is these kids apparently did not have a trusted adult they could talk to. For which all adults will bear some of the guilt of this tragedy.

[proudbluestater]

19. Sad about the kids, but there are better ways!

While we do have the parental notification law, kids are able to bypass this by going directly to the court themselves and telling the judge they can't go to their parents for whatever reason. That's if they are able to find a sympathetic judge.

Sorry they went this route. There are better ways for sure.

[MissB]

20. Yeah. Cool. I've heard kids are really savvy about going to judges. (nt)

[pop goes the weasel]

24. were you ever a teenager?

Judges and court orders and lawyers--like a teenager is going to avail themselves of any of that. When my sister's cat got hit and was bleeding to death slowly when I was a teen, we couldn't even find the Humane Society's phone number, though we had heard about them. We had no transportation, no contacts, and no savvy. And no adults we could get hold of. And that was just a dying cat, not a highly embarassing consequence of personal failure. I expect that teenagers haven't changed a great deal in the intervening decades.

I would even go so far as to say that these kids probably had been brainwashed that abortion is Eeeeevil, so of course, they couldn't even think about an abortion. But miscarriage is normal, so, hey! Let's just cause a miscarriage! That the two words mean the same thing, medically speaking, has been successfully hidden by the pro-birth forces.

[llmart]

28. Well, his mother helped bury the fetus.

There's some "adult" help for you.

[Cheswick2.0]

32. it was his mother and she could not give consent

They probably went to her afterwards.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. After the fact. And that was his, not her, mother. All the onus is

on the girl.

[Blue_Tires]

48. yeah, i missed that

very disturbing...i wonder how much of this she knew in advance, or if the son just walked in the door after football practice with an aborted fetus

[RaleighNCDUer]

35. This is the result of parental consent. A nice, typically uptight

family that doesn't even talk about sex, how does a girl go home and ask her mom to sign off on an abortion?

And this child was dealing with ordinary fears. What about all those who are pregnant by mom's boyfriend, or by daddy?

Planned Parenthood couldn't do a thing for her without parental notification. What's a girl going to do?

[One_Life_To_Give]

50. Planed Parenthood Can't Talk without Consent?

This girl needed advice on what her options were. Both kids were too afraid to tell their parents up front. But it doesn't say what the girls parents reactions were. And even if they are fundie, that can be dealt with. I find it hard to beleive that Planned Partenthood in Mich. doesn't know how to get around fundie parents of teen girls. So again where were the adults to teach this girl how to work the system/overcome their fears.

[jayfish]

22. Criminal Charges For What Crime? -NT-

Jay

[slackmaster]

29. Statutory rape, contributing to delinquency of two minors...

Take your pick.

[sonicx]

31. i think he meant the 16 year old.

[slackmaster]

43. Being a willing victim?

:shrug:

Not sure if that's a crime.

[jayfish]

57. Yes, But A Willing Victim Of What?

That's what I'm trying to figure out. Although if she is under-age (I think 17 in MI) I don't think she has the standing to be a willing victim. This will probably disappear and the three of them will be processed through the system without so much as a followup by the media.

Jay

[GiovanniC]

67. The Age of Consent in Michigan is 16

[jayfish]

72. Thanks.

It must have changed.I seem to remember being 16 and waxing with my buddies how we were going to have to give up all of our, youthful, in-discretionary spending because we would be getting busted for it soon.

Jay

[jayfish]

56. Yes I Did.

I never considerd charges against the parent. That will make things a whole lot better. :eyes:

[jayfish]

55. Ahh, The Old Switcharoo.

Charge them with something that will stick rather than the true "offense".

Jay

[Cheswick2.0]

33. murder

It is now illegal to harm a fetus by harming the mother.

[slackmaster]

47. In Michigan???

Are you sure about that?

[jayfish]

58. I Just Did A Little Checking And It Looks Like We Do.

Unfortunately it is already being misused.

http://www.equityfeminism.com/discussion/fullthread$msgnum=679

Jay

[RaleighNCDUer]

42. Murder?

Peterson was convicted of murdering his unborn child. They did the same thing, just earlier in the pregnancy.

Does that state have a 'Connor's Law'?

[slackmaster]

51. California fetal murder statute has been on the books over 30 years

CNN says that according to Michigan's fetal murder statute ...a fetus is only protected after "quickening" — when movement is first felt in the womb — occurs.....

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/03/26/ctv.fetal.homicide/

[Mallifica]

73. Laci and Connor's Law

otherwise known as the "unborn victims of violence act" (federal law) defines a fetus, or "living being" at conception . . . and to be prosectuted for homicide, if the "fetus" dies, the perpetrator does not even have to know that the woman is pregnant.

so, for example, if I was 2 months pregnant, and got into a car accident which resulted in a miscarriage, the person that hit me could be charged with murder.

scary shit.

[Renew Deal]

26. That's sick.

People are nuts. This is why abortion should be legal and safe.

[Nestea]

36. Fucking disgusting

Proof parental consent laws do more harm than good.

[AngryOldDem]

38. Like to post this on a fundie board

to see how they'd explain away this...

[ZR2]

49. Why didn't she have a legal abortion

The story never explains.

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

53. Time for Timetravel

Modern tech and medieval thoughts... think there might be a business gap for angelmakers...

poor kids hope ..such despair...

[ZR2]

59. wanna run that one by me again

perhaps in English this time ;)

[Divine Discontent]

80. it's in tongues... n/t

[MountainLaurel]

62. Parental consent laws?

Afraid they'd kick her out of the house fo rbeing a slut? Beat the hell out of her?

Even if this wasn't issue, where would two teenagers get the money? How far of a drive is it? Is this a state where they'd have to go gt "counseling" the first day and then come back 24 hours later to get the procedure?

[Nestea]

66. Hey now

If they didn't have the money then that is not the state's fault.

Parental consent laws can be blamed but not their lack of money.

I do think if we are going to have public funding of abortion nationwide again that we should have limits, say, 1 paid abortion per person. After that, I think it's fair to say you're on your own.

It's like smoking for years and getting a lung transplant. One should be the limit. Although an abortion is much easier to perform than a lung transplant, it's the same principle

I just believe that after one paid abortion, that should be enough.

[MountainLaurel]

69. I wasn't saying it was the state's fault

But it is a consideration for why legal abortion might not have been a possibility.

[Nestea]

70. That's true

And if that was the case I guess I feel bad for them. But I don't think that excuses the assault.

[ZR2]

74. Yet by reading this thread

Almost everyone here is blaming the parental notification law without any proof what so ever.

[llmart]

71. Because of what this thread has been talking about.....

She needed parental consent before she could get an abortion. She probably was too afraid to tell her parents.

[barb162]

88. afraid to tell parents, $300.00?

[Ctrl_Alt_Del]

61. A glimpse into the future

Take a good look, Red Amerikkka. This is exactly what you voted for.

[haunce]

65. Teen

That is so horrible:cry:

[Amaya]

76. Wow

Just wow. Nothing else to say.

[Nebraska_Liberal]

83. christians

the christians in this thread are the first ones i have heard of being pro-choice. I know a LOT of christians of all types, and they all say abortion is murder. Trying to overturn roe vs. wade is a product of the religious right, however it is supported by others, like the dividers mentioned before.

[MissB]

84. Welcome to DU.

There are plenty of pro-choice Christians in our country. Not all of them are at DU.

[Nebraska_Liberal]

85. notice

the state i live in. It is black or white here. I live in Omaha. There are progressive people here, but not to many.

[Coconut Buddha Ape]

86. I know what you mean :)

I am a former Bellevue resident and military brat.

Needless to say, the only reason I plan on ever going back is to visit my family.

Good luck with that Omaha thing, NebLib!

[Nebraska_Liberal]

87. Im trying

Im trying to stir stuff up in the local forum, but we only have like 3 members. But if 3 people yell and scream, we can be loud. :)