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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:11 PM
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Clinton Library Officials Defensive on Impeachment
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (Reuters) - A day before the Clinton presidential library opens, officials were on the defensive on Wednesday about an impeachment exhibit that some have described as tilted in favor of the former president.

Scandals such as the sexual relationship with intern Monica Lewinsky are part of a section called "The Fight for Power" in which there are discussions of the partisan politics that led to Clinton's 1998 impeachment and later acquittal.
...
Rutherford said there was a full and honest disclosure about the impeachment process, which is a prominent part of the library that will officially open on Thursday. Critics said the exhibit plays up the partisan rancor and plays down Clinton's moral lapses.

"Impeachment is right in the center. It is the first word you see when you walk in," Rutherford said.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=peopleNews&storyID=6846244

Oh? And how will Bush's library portray him? Negatively?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:13 PM
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1. This is perhaps BECAUSE HE WAS ACQUITTED!
Face it, Republicans...

YOU LOST!



Who's the Sore Loserman now?
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Sannum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:13 PM
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2. Oh, not this again...
He didn't commit war crimes, he got a blow job! GET OVER IT MORANS!!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:15 PM
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3. I love the "in your face" attitude of this
He's telling the story from his point of view - that it was a power deal. And there isn't a damned thing the wingnuts can do. Each prez gets to tell their own side of their administration. Let 'em grind their back teeth over this. Couldn't have come at a better time.
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:16 PM
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4. Not Guilty in Senate
Why should it not be tilted in his favor?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:19 PM
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8. I didn't say it shouldn't be
I'm delighted that it is. And I'll be even more delighted to hear the sound of wingnut angst over it.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:17 PM
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5. Clinton was not impeached for "moral lapses". Nor was Gringich and Hyde.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:17 PM
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6. I hope they offer copies of "The Hunting of the President" for sale at the
gift shop.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:19 PM
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7. Oh please...we have the Nixon library in town here
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:21 PM
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10. is there mention in the Nixon Library about his resigning? n/t
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:19 PM
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9. There is NO mention of dropping the bomb in the Truman library
I was surprised. I looked. Nada. No mention at all.

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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:32 PM
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13. well, i intend to drop a used condom in hallway of the clinton library
bill clinton, great president, blah blah blah. i have no respect for a guy who can't keep his dick in his pants, even the president of the united states, especially the guy who is the president of the united states. he fucked up, he pays. they should have rode his ass out on a rail.

decent president, sex pervert. no matter how you cut it, he's bad to know.

the flaws i can accept of friend and neighbor i can not abide in of the president of the united states. it is also why detest george bush as well as bill clinton.

it is that sad curse laid upon the US presidency that some very capable politicians are on a personal level such fucking bastards.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:35 PM
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15. difference of opinion, I happen to like a guy who can't keep his
dick in his pants.

But then...I'm female and not as uptight about sex as some.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:42 PM
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18. then bill clinton is looking for a personal assitant like you.
being repulsed by that shit isn't being up tight, its being up right.

if you as a person are incapable of perceiving right from wrong in such a matter, become a republican. the democratic party needs a better moral compass than you present.

what makes me laugh at posts like yours is that on one hand your ilk preaches fidelity to moral rectitude when it comes to civil rights, helping the poor, and non-violence, but thinks acts like clinton's are normal and healthy. let's be sure of the facts; a blow job from a 21 year old intern while married to another woman, a whole series of blow jobs actually, in the oval office, clinton viewing of masturbation acts by this young woman shoving cigars into her vagina as the man who is president of the united states is sitting, watching and or recieving said BJs at his desk in the oval office while taking phone calls from russian and other international leaders.

if you think that is okay you would have just loved what caligula had to offer.

as i stated, i dont give a flying fuck about who has sex as adults in whatever way possible (i've tried a quite few in my day), more power to 'em, or what is shoved into a person's various openings, but i expect the president of the united states, and a democrat on whom a multitude of important things are riding to know fucking better, especially a swinging dick like bill clinton who has a decades long reputation as a guy who would fuck the crack of dawn if he could.

his uncontrolable sex acts helped screw the democratic party and things I care care about deeply.

since you thumped your breast and pronounced that you were a woman, tell us for all to hear, if your husband was the president of the united states, had a history of cheating on you, and was found to have done the aforementioned, would you still happen to as you said about yourself "I happen to like a guy who can't keep his dick in his pants."

if so, I hear bill clinton wants to interview you as an intern assistant.... but only if you wear a french beret.

its not the sex, its the inablity to understand that such acts are completely fucking stupid in the context of things.

with the bulls eye on clinton's back even from the time of his arkansas dalliances, to gennifer flowers, could he not refrain from waving his penis around for all to see?

seriously he had some important things to do for us and the nation, could he not have kept a lid on his promiscuity until his terms were over?

dammit, his acts cost us 2000, he lied directly to his own cabinet, and to all of us, the past 4 years of bush are because of clinton's stupidity, as are the next 4. for what? blow jobs? but that's okay by you... because you like a guy "who can't keep his dick in his pants."

and we wonder why we lost 2 weeks ago?

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:49 AM
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28. oh for gawds sake
get over yourself!

Were you not there? They started on him in 1992. If they were not talking Monica they would be talking WhiteWater, or TavelGate.

There is a double standard in this country. Bush is responsible for over 100,000 deaths and I don't see you ranting about him!

The only person who has any interest in his sex life is his wife.

it is none of my business.

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St. Jarvitude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 03:37 AM
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33. "being repulsed by that shit isn't being up tight, its being up right."
Sorry, but your use of the phrase "up right" here made me giggle. :)

Carry on...
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RuleofLaw Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:39 AM
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36. Time to bring up the old quiz:
It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote
counts. Here are the facts about the three leading candidates.

Candidate A -

Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with
astrologers. He's had two Mistresses. He also chain
smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B -

He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used
opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every
evening.

Candidate C -

He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't
smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on
his wife.

Which of these candidates would be your choice? Decide
first, no peeking, then scroll down for the answer.
















Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Candidate B is Winston Churchill.
Candidate C is Adolph Hitler.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:20 PM
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24. Hey, you sound like one smart lady. Jeez, he got a blowjob
for chrissakes, not like he started an illegal war and killed
100,000 innocent civilians like chimpanzee. These repukes are
totally hung up about sex.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:54 PM
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20. "they should have rode his ass out on a rail."
So now we're impeaching people for having affairs? Whether you hate what he did or not, that's 100%, pure nonsense.

According to you, adultery is/should be a "high crime" -- up there with treason and bribery.
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:15 PM
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23. Maybe you should stay out if you feel that way
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 10:16 PM by Bush was AWOL
Why would you waste your time in a place that is honoring a man you despise?

I'd bet plenty of money that Clinton wasn't the first to open his fly in the office, either.

It was purely partisan bullshit for the Republicans to use against him because they couldn't get him on anything else. And the assholes were unwilling to let a Democrat go down in history as a good president without any serious crisis' taking place during his term.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:29 PM
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26. He wasn't...
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 10:30 PM by NYC Liberal
One recalls Warren Harding having sex in a coat closet off of the Oval Office with his mistress, Nan Britton, numerous times. The Secret Service agents apparently knocked on the door to warn them when his wife was coming. He also had a child with her.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:06 PM
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27. horse shit to all of your posts. clinton screwed us more than lewinski
your lickspittle hero worship is noted, but you fail to note also what clinton's penis adventures allowed, ie., the last two years of his presidency smoking ruins, a 2000 electorate pissed off at democrats, yielding to the repukes the higher moral ground.....and how the fuck is that possible with the way their programs treat people?? his total and deceitful conning of his cabinet who he paraded in public to support him,.. anyone remember that scene? i do, and good, decent men and women went to bat for him, albright, perry, gore, even his his own wife and daughter, and they looked like fools, and people remembered that in 2000 thanks to the gop and stuck gore with the bill.

but we are the ones paying for it.

anyone think that had clinton not waved his dick out in public gore would not have won in a walk in 2000? if you are that dumb, i want talk to you about some real estate i'm selling.

this crap about republicans also being sex perverts is true, but none were sitting presidents when they did it, and yes i know all about gingrich, livingston, hyde, and, crane, and a myriad of other gop sex freaks, but jesus on the cross, the fucking president? in the oval office, a knob job from an intern, come on, where do you people draw the line, box turtles?

if this stuff had surfaced in the new york times about the ceo of a large corporation you would be like chicken littles sucking your teeth decrying the predatory nature of highly placed and powerful men, the immorality that capitalism begat and point to such acts as evidence of the corrupting nature of the seeking a profit margin.

if you chastise bush for failing to live up to his obligations as an ethical man how do you rationalize giving clinton a free ride?

nobody got hurt? think again, bush won in 2000 in large part because the dems were perceived as less than moral by otherwise economic issue allies that rejected the democratic party as immoral. so lay those stinking, rotting corpses in falluja tis week at bill clinton's feet.

its not that i dont think you guys have any moral or ethical center, but you sure do not seem to apply any even standards, and by the way, that usually is your own criticism of the other side.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:21 AM
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29. A good general rule is to
keep your hands off the help.

It will get you in trouble and makes you look like a lowlife if you don't.

It is the Clinton library though, so I don't see why things shouldn't be tilted in his favor.

I went to a very impressive museum run by the Pequot (I think) Indians in Connecticutt this summer and I wasn't a bit surprised that it was slanted in their favor. It was after all their museum.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 03:35 AM
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32. If every guy who got a BJ is a sex pervert...
All the Republicans would have to leave the Senate and the Congress and report themselves. I happen to like getting blowjobs and I don't think there's anything perverted about them at all.

And there's nothing written anywhere that the president has to become celibate...

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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:22 PM
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11. So? It's His Library
He gets to exhibit material any way he wants.

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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:25 PM
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12. The right wing-nuts will have a hissy fit....
tomorrow because of all the fanfare over the opening of the library. Hillary's on Larry King tonight. I heard someone on our local news say that it's going to be an awesome grand opening - fun and upbeat with lots of rockin' music and Aretha Franklin is going to sing. Thousands of people are going to attend. What a contrast to the negativity and boring crap that Repugs exude.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:34 PM
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14. why should they be on the defensive?

when they spin everything in their direction and rewrite history to favor themselves. this is clinton's turf and they are trespassing on it. who gives a good gddam what they think!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:54 PM
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16. "Critics said the exhibit plays up the partisan rancor .."
BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS BOGUS IMPEACHMENT WAS...PARTISAN!!
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:04 PM
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17. Too bad for the Nazis,
he was found to be INNOCENT on ALL CHARGES at his trial.

Impeachment is merely an indictment.

But they don't like to mention THAT tidbit.

So what's the PROBLEM?
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:50 PM
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19. it's clinton's library. officals can get over it.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:55 PM
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21. Because the impeachment was a JOKE!!!!
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:57 PM
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22. Clinton stood up to the bastards and won
He can do whatever he wants to do with his libary, he's the BIG DOG! :D
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:22 PM
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25. Of course, Bush 1 was so dirty, we aren't even ALLOWED to see our
public servant's record. What does THAT tell you?
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hibbing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:32 AM
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30. to Hamlette
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 02:33 AM by hibbing
The Truman Library has in the last year or so had a major
update. They have a presentation on the dropping of the bombs.
Your post is not valid in relation to the current exhibit.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:39 AM
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31. if bush can lie about WMD, then Clinton can lie about BJs and we can
all forget about it all cuz Karl Rove says so.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:52 AM
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34. Fuck the critics. It's not their library anyway.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:57 AM
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35. To what extent does the George H W Bush Library discuss...
...Iran/Contra? (Asking because I really don't know if it does or not)
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 08:53 AM
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37. I would direct them to a certain library east of Los Angeles
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